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thenoflyzone Oct 26, 2015 4:39 PM

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Originally Posted by G.S MTL (Post 7201143)
so beginning December 27, 2015. Air China will commence their service to the caribbean - PEK-YUL-HAV on a Boeing 773.. only good news about this is that we'll see Air China 6 days a week at YUL. .

PEK1400-YUL1340
YUL1620-HAV2015
HAV0900(next day)-YUL1230
YUL1430-PEK 1730 +1 day

http://airlineroute.net/2015/10/16/ca-hav-dec15/

You can buy YUL-HAV-YUL for as little as $498 return.

LeftCoaster Oct 26, 2015 6:43 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 7210303)
That's only accurate for intercontinental widebody service and only if including rumors (btw, YEG should be 3 if we are including rumors). However, If you ask me, a foreign carrier is a foreign carrier whether he operates an ATR or a B744, or whether he flies 100 nm or 6000 nm. And we should also stick to confirmed routes with official start dates, to make this more accurate. So, excluding the US and Mexico (what's the beef with Mexico?), as you say....

I think you're reading too much into what was posted. No beef against Mexico etc..., just a discussion about big widebody service, not a 319 to Cancun or 737 to Varadero.

You can make your own list if you like, but the list that was posted was only meant to represent widebody foreign carriers, and in that respect I believe it is more or less accurate.

LeftCoaster Oct 26, 2015 9:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster (Post 7209825)

Johnny Aussie has given me a few changes to YVR as well as YYC and YEG info so I'll put together an update and charts for those airports too.

As promised here's YYC and YEG with Johnny's info, as well as an updated YVR:

YYC:
http://i.imgur.com/amSfeSA.png
http://i.imgur.com/amSfeSA.png

YEG:
http://i.imgur.com/lVQAGmF.png
http://i.imgur.com/lVQAGmF.png

YVR:
http://i.imgur.com/ucCBAeu.png
http://i.imgur.com/ucCBAeu.png

I'll try and update these as new info comes in. I hear something is in the works for YEG and Asia, so hopefully there's some new info to pop into this soon.

G.S MTL Oct 26, 2015 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster (Post 7212249)
As promised here's YYC and YEG with Johnny's info, as well as an updated YVR:


I'll try and update these as new info comes in. I hear something is in the works for YEG and Asia, so hopefully there's some new info to pop into this soon.

Only Summer? wow I thought Japan airlines was year round 7 weekly for YVR... humm

thegx Oct 27, 2015 12:19 AM

Mexico City isn't really intercontinental.

Johnny Aussie Oct 27, 2015 12:48 AM

To clarify the last two points.

What Leftcoaster did was try and produce a chart indicating international flights by alliance/airline. This all started when I posted the number of international airlines serving Canadian airports that were not North American based. Mexico and Central America are North America.
The list was also for summer 2016... So Airlines like JAL, ANA and EVA may have the same frequencies year-round, whereas airlines like LH, KL, NZ etc fluctuate throughout the year. And airlines like Condor, Edelweiss, Icelandair are seasonal summer only.

A lot of Canadian airports have a lot of their international flights going to sun destinations. Whether it's right or wrong to exclude these flights, the list was trying to indicate intercontinental flying.

So perhaps flights to MEX should be excluded... However I think we all understand what he tried to do and I think did a damn good job doing it.

G.S MTL Oct 27, 2015 1:05 AM

I'm trying to do one for YUL. A lot of work!!! lol

Johnny Aussie Oct 27, 2015 10:33 AM

Hey Leftcoaster..... May need to confirm but AC has just updated some routes to LHR and it looks like the additional four weekly YYC-LHR have been removed and the three weekly YEG - LHR have been removed. This may be just a schedule change but they are gone off the AC website. Perhaps YEG-LHR is being cancelled for good.

Looks like it is confirmed these flights are cancelled.

nname Oct 27, 2015 9:46 PM

Crowdfunding an airlines?

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/zing-airlines--2#/

LeftCoaster Oct 27, 2015 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by G.S MTL (Post 7212435)
Only Summer? wow I thought Japan airlines was year round 7 weekly for YVR... humm

Fairly certain JAL flies it's 787 daily to YVR year round. The charts I posted are 2016 summer, but that does not mean the airlines are ONLY flying in summer. Many ramp up their summer service, however some keep the same service year round.

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Originally Posted by thegx (Post 7212462)
Mexico City isn't really intercontinental.

Agreed, it isn't counted in the other list that was thrown out.

This list was first, and that smaller list of intercontinental airlines came out of this one.

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Originally Posted by G.S MTL (Post 7212538)
I'm trying to do one for YUL. A lot of work!!! lol

It sure is, looking forward to it!

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie (Post 7212910)
Hey Leftcoaster..... May need to confirm but AC has just updated some routes to LHR and it looks like the additional four weekly YYC-LHR have been removed and the three weekly YEG - LHR have been removed. This may be just a schedule change but they are gone off the AC website. Perhaps YEG-LHR is being cancelled for good.

Looks like it is confirmed these flights are cancelled.

Ya I'll update it as well as a few other errors you spotted in my YYC chart.

Thanks for all the help!

Dirt_Devil Oct 28, 2015 3:06 AM

Quebec City's airport expansion progress. Pictures from September 2015. The airport will double in size, to be done by the end of 2017. Part of the excavation is done already.

http://www.francisvachon.com/blog/wp...-aerial-05.jpg


http://www.francisvachon.com/blog/wp...-aerial-03.jpg


http://www.francisvachon.com/blog/ae...ional-airport/

Canadian74 Oct 28, 2015 4:11 PM

With the new Liberal govt, is there a better or worse chance for a revised bilateral with UAE to allow more flights? Hoping for daily EK and EY at YYZ atleast

TorontoDrew Oct 28, 2015 4:15 PM

I never knew QC had such a tiny airport.

rbt Oct 28, 2015 4:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Canadian74 (Post 7214525)
With the new Liberal govt, is there a better or worse chance for a revised bilateral with UAE to allow more flights? Hoping for daily EK at YYZ atleast

Revised bilateral? It needs to become bilateral in the first place.

UAE is heavily restricted in the USA too for using aggressive and one-sided business tactics (such as speculation of government subsidizing the airline fares). The only reason they want into Canada is indirect access to the US market.

Canadian airlines, starting November 2015, have 1 flight per week to UAE.

I'm all for open skies agreements, even when Canadian airlines get clobbered, but the playing field needs to be somewhat level.

Canadian74 Oct 28, 2015 4:54 PM

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Originally Posted by rbt (Post 7214568)
Revised bilateral? It needs to become bilateral in the first place.

UAE is heavily restricted in the USA too for using aggressive and one-sided business tactics (such as speculation of government subsidizing the airline fares). The only reason they want into Canada is indirect access to the US market.

Canadian airlines, starting November 2015, have 1 flight per week to UAE.

I'm all for open skies agreements, even when Canadian airlines get clobbered, but the playing field needs to be somewhat level.

I'm pretty sure USA-UAE is open skies and Canada-UAE is 6 weekly for over a decade

kwoldtimer Oct 28, 2015 5:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Canadian74 (Post 7214525)
With the new Liberal govt, is there a better or worse chance for a revised bilateral with UAE to allow more flights? Hoping for daily EK and EY at YYZ atleast

That's probably more up to Air Canada than it is to the new or current governments.

lubicon Oct 28, 2015 6:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirt_Devil (Post 7214036)
Quebec City's airport expansion progress. Pictures from September 2015. The airport will double in size, to be done by the end of 2017. Part of the excavation is done already.

http://www.francisvachon.com/blog/ae...ional-airport/

Small technicality but the airport will remain the same size as it currently is. The terminal is what will double in size.

G.S MTL Oct 29, 2015 3:48 AM

I was going to ask leftcoaster where he got the transat info but I found it :)

yyzer Oct 29, 2015 3:49 AM

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Originally Posted by rbt (Post 7214568)
Revised bilateral? It needs to become bilateral in the first place.

UAE is heavily restricted in the USA too for using aggressive and one-sided business tactics (such as speculation of government subsidizing the airline fares). The only reason they want into Canada is indirect access to the US market.

Canadian airlines, starting November 2015, have 1 flight per week to UAE.

I'm all for open skies agreements, even when Canadian airlines get clobbered, but the playing field needs to be somewhat level.

No offence, rbt, but every one of your points is incorrect...... :shrug:

- the Canada UAE bilateral was signed in 2001, and has been in effect since 2002. The existing agreement allows 6 flights per week for airlines of each nation, i.e. 6 for Canada, and 6 for the UAE.

- the UAE do indeed have an open skies agreement with the U.S., and have completely unrestricted access to that country

- the UAE have absolutely no need to access the U.S. via Canada - due to their existing open skies agreement with the U.S. Their interest in Canada, specifically Toronto and Vancouver, is due to demographics of those two cities, which have large, multicultural o & d markets between Canada and India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Iran, etc. These markets are Emirates' and Etihad's core markets, which they serve via their respective transit points in the UAE - Dubai & Abu Dhabi. This is their market.

- Air Canada have had access to the UAE since 2002, with 6 flights per week available. They have only just now decided to inaugurate YYZ-DXB 3 times weekly with 787, effective November

- the "playing field" has always been level. There is no imbalance for one side or the other. The only difference between our experience here in Canada, and that of the U.S., is that the U.S. favours open markets, which benefit the consumer, whereas Canada prefers to protect its home airlines, which benefits the airline companies.

eemy Oct 29, 2015 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by yyzer (Post 7215396)
- the "playing field" has always been level. There is no imbalance for one side or the other. The only difference between our experience here in Canada, and that of the U.S., is that the U.S. favours open markets, which benefit the consumer, whereas Canada prefers to protect its home airlines, which benefits the airline companies.

I'm not convinced this is an accurate reading of government policy. There are plenty of open sky agreements the government has made that don't necessarily favour Canadian airlines over foreign ones. The problem with Dubai is two-fold though. First, an open skies agreement wouldn't offer reciprocal benefit to Canadian airlines since, as you point out, the market being targeted isn't the UAE itself, but the Indian subcontinent. Secondly, the benefit to consumers may be fleeting since service to the UAE may compromise service to other locations that depend partially on connections to India and surrounding areas, as EK and EY can compete at a much lower cost base. You may disagree with decision, but I would say it is likely a combination of protecting the interests of Canadian businesses and Canadian consumers.


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