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mleblanc Jan 17, 2019 6:33 PM

Wow, huge progress on this one. Massive building, definitely makes Murphy's and the Nova Scotia Crystal building look out of place. That roundabout ferry terminal dropoff needs some desperate work done to it.

someone123 Jan 17, 2019 7:07 PM

The apparent scale and relationship to the neighbouring buildings might change a bit as the cladding goes on. The bare grey concrete and shadows add to the effect.

I agree completely about the cul-de-sac thing. I also think the clock is sad. The clock mechanism is actually over 250 years old and is the oldest working clock in Canada. It looks like some kind of playground decoration.

OldDartmouthMark Jan 17, 2019 8:09 PM

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Originally Posted by someone123 (Post 8440194)
The apparent scale and relationship to the neighbouring buildings might change a bit as the cladding goes on. The bare grey concrete and shadows add to the effect.

I agree completely about the cul-de-sac thing. I also think the clock is sad. The clock mechanism is actually over 250 years old and is the oldest working clock in Canada. It looks like some kind of playground decoration.

Agree.

RoshanMcG Jan 18, 2019 3:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonovision (Post 8439946)

So correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like the material on the second floor facing the water is different than in the rendering... was this section not supposed to be copper?:

https://media1.fdncms.com/thecoast/i...233/queen1.jpg

midasmull Jan 18, 2019 2:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoshanMcG (Post 8440804)
So correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like the material on the second floor facing the water is different than in the rendering... was this section not supposed to be copper?:

https://media1.fdncms.com/thecoast/i...233/queen1.jpg

Certainly looks like it from the rendering. That being said, if they were to do it in copper, they'd be losing the ability to rent valuable water-facing space - maybe they intended to use a copper-colored glass covering similar to the orange one they used at the Central Library?

OldDartmouthMark Jan 18, 2019 2:45 PM

Their plan is to use a copper alloy called Muntz metal for cladding, which has the appearance of copper but doesn't turn green with corrosion, as bare copper would. The section nearest Lower Water will be clad with Wallace sandstone.

http://armourgroup.com/the-armour-gr...of-this-place/

Quote:

Contextual and solid materials honour the district’s surroundings and are grounded within the downtown. The use of Sandstone references the iconic buildings in the city core and the workmanship ingrained in our past; the granite apron evokes the rocky coast and a familiar rugged character without flash; while copper, reimagines the oil-can hull of marine vessels and speaks to the copper cables used historically at cable wharf.
https://canada.constructconnect.com/...-queens-marque

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The materials are important elements of creating the place, he said. Every attempt should be made to use local resources. Steel was originally considered for cladding but finally an alloy of copper called Muntz metal, from Ontario, was used. Wallace sandstone from local quarries has been used on numerous public buildings and was a good fit for the Queen’s Marque.

“Muntz metal has a lot of the characteristics of copper but doesn’t turn green,” he explained. “It has the waterfront shipyard grit of weathering steel but with the sophistication of Muntz.

“That brassy element is carried over right into the doorknobs. There is a continuation of that kind of jewellery.”
Info on the sandstone:
http://armourgroup.com/queens-marque...levant-facade/

https://www.trurodaily.com/business/...a-time-160767/

I'm guessing from the photos that the cladding just hasn't been added yet, as it looks unfinished.

bluenoser Jan 18, 2019 4:13 PM

The design has changed a bit (and imo, slightly downgraded) since those renderings.

Perhaps the rendering software was not as nice, and obviously the design requires practical changes as it develops, but the newer version looks less elegant to me, and less cohesive overall.

Having said that (and as has been mentioned), much will come down to the actual materials. I remain optimistic and excited about this development.


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Originally Posted by Jonovision (Post 8273535)


teddifax Jan 18, 2019 4:36 PM

I know the renderings aren't "exactly" like the real thing.... look at the wharf adjacent to the Cable Wharf... in the renderings, it looks like enough room to berth bigger boats, but it looks like a dory couldn't find a berth in that small space how it is being built...

someone123 Jan 18, 2019 6:16 PM

To me the copper in the original rendering looks a bit like some kind of screen, not cladding. The more recent rendering looks simpler. I wouldn't draw conclusions from minor details in it.

I'd say go look at the plans approved by the city but those often don't match the final product either, or they are so vague that they permit a wide range of outcomes.

OldDartmouthMark Jan 18, 2019 7:02 PM

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Originally Posted by someone123 (Post 8441541)
To me the copper in the original rendering looks a bit like some kind of screen, not cladding. The more recent rendering looks simpler. I wouldn't draw conclusions from minor details in it.

I'd say go look at the plans approved by the city but those often don't match the final product either, or they are so vague that they permit a wide range of outcomes.

I remember that their website used to show numerous renderings including some close-ups that showed their concept for the copper cladding. I recall it having more of a textured/distressed finish, but it looks like that material has been removed from their website, which has now become more of a generic advertisement-type of page.

If the design has been changed, that would explain the website changes.

Has anybody seen the design changes? Is it possible to post them?

Jonovision Jan 25, 2019 4:21 PM

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4804/...f6cd0d67_b.jpg20190123_132007 by Jonovision23, on Flickr

Keith P. Jan 26, 2019 1:50 PM

Seeing how this now looms over that part of the street it is hard to understand why HRM did not require more of a setback.

someone123 Jan 26, 2019 7:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith P. (Post 8450034)
Seeing how this now looms over that part of the street it is hard to understand why HRM did not require more of a setback.

Isn't it interesting to have the contrast, with some buildings looming over some streets? 99% of the city is not like that, and you can walk a block or two away if you want more space.

There are some cities with overbearing planning requirements that every new building be light and airy and they usually feel kind of boring to walk around in.

Colin May Jan 26, 2019 8:24 PM

Will be a great wind tunnel.

q12 Jan 28, 2019 3:48 PM

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7906/...5cd7b089_k.jpgDartmouth Morning (4 of 6) by Boxcar Bob, on Flickr

OldDartmouthMark Jan 28, 2019 4:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by someone123 (Post 8450290)
Isn't it interesting to have the contrast, with some buildings looming over some streets? 99% of the city is not like that, and you can walk a block or two away if you want more space.

There are some cities with overbearing planning requirements that every new building be light and airy and they usually feel kind of boring to walk around in.

I agree. I actually like that aspect of it. I wouldn't want it on every street but I like the variety.

It's also one of the only things I like about the Doyle project, the mini urban canyon it creates on Queen.

eastcoastal Jan 28, 2019 4:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by someone123 (Post 8450290)
Isn't it interesting to have the contrast, with some buildings looming over some streets? 99% of the city is not like that, and you can walk a block or two away if you want more space...

And this is a particularly effective location for a zero-setback building. Right as Lower Water turns the corner... it's a nice compression as you're leaving the heart of the old Central Business District... helps mark the end of the old downtown block pattern and the start of the city's northern expansion.

Jonovision Jan 28, 2019 10:56 PM

I don't find it to loom nearly as much as I thought it would. Given there is still no cladding so its not quite a perception of a solid wall but I think the gradual slant and breaking up of the massing is a successful way to integrate this without it feeling too overbearing from Lower Water St.

Jonovision Jan 29, 2019 10:44 PM

They've set up a leasing office for the residential units in the market area on the waterfront.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7804/...13be3407_b.jpg20190129_154508 by Jonovision23, on Flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7807/...5e369780_b.jpg20190129_154541 by Jonovision23, on Flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7811/...85a1faa5_b.jpg20190129_154146_HDR by Jonovision23, on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4824/...3acccd03_b.jpg20190129_153432 by Jonovision23, on Flickr

Jonovision Feb 7, 2019 5:20 PM

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4814/...be6a7897_b.jpg20190206_163732_HDR by Jonovision23, on Flickr

Jonovision Feb 8, 2019 5:06 PM

More glass going up.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4907/...2207d418_b.jpg20190207_163750_HDR by Jonovision23, on Flickr

Jonovision Feb 18, 2019 9:52 PM

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7889/...74e69f46_b.jpg20190217_160454_HDR by Jonovision23, on Flickr

Jonovision Feb 28, 2019 4:39 PM

Glass going up along the inclined facade on Lower Water St.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7869/...f31398e8_b.jpg20190228_071312 by Jonovision23, on Flickr

IanWatson Feb 28, 2019 5:49 PM

I caught a quick glimpse of it this morning while driving along Lower Water. The subtle slope to the glass is really nice.

I'm slightly confused because I thought that part was supposed to be copper. Looking back at the site plan approval the elevation drawings label it as "PERFORATED COPPER PANELS IN FRONT OF SSG CURTAIN WALL SYSTEM W/ CLEAR VISION GLASS TYP."

So does the copper go in later, over top of the glass?

terrynorthend Mar 1, 2019 4:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonovision (Post 8490483)
Glass going up along the inclined facade on Lower Water St.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7869/...f31398e8_b.jpg20190228_071312 by Jonovision23, on Flickr

It's hard to tell from this photo, but does the facade follow the curve of the street?

bluenoser Mar 1, 2019 5:22 AM

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Originally Posted by IanWatson (Post 8490604)
So does the copper go in later, over top of the glass?

I would say so; if you look closely at Jono's image, there appear to be structural attachments along the mullions of the curtain wall installed thus far. While not necessarily a precise match, their placement more or less corresponds to the clear/uncovered portions shown in the image below:

http://armourgroup.com/wp-content/up...e-1160x700.jpg
http://armourgroup.com/wp-content/up...e-1160x700.jpg

Jonovision Mar 2, 2019 4:35 PM

I looked at it closer and there are large brackets protruding from the glass above the first floor. I've not yet had a chance to go out to the end of the pier to see if the first bits of glass also have the brackets attached.

The gentle slope of the glass is very nice and combined with the other 2 slightly smaller glass protrusions the street wall for this building is going to be much nicer than I thought.

Jonovision Mar 8, 2019 5:09 PM

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7845/...81d977bf_b.jpg20190307_163324 by Jonovision23, on Flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7834/...f2e9dc3d_b.jpg20190307_163416 by Jonovision23, on Flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7829/...58e21ce1_b.jpg20190307_163445 by Jonovision23, on Flickr

kph06 Mar 13, 2019 11:38 PM

The north crane came down today.

Jonovision Mar 14, 2019 3:38 PM

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7889/...b56caaef_b.jpg20190313_152825 by Jonovision23, on Flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7857/...ec571e6d_b.jpg20190313_190340_HDR by Jonovision23, on Flickr

alps Mar 15, 2019 1:48 AM

Thanks for all the photos... can't wait to see this in person!

OldDartmouthMark Mar 15, 2019 2:37 PM

Looking forward to seeing the "copper" cladding installed. That should really bring it around.

Good project so far, it will make a huge difference on the waterfront, I think.

eastcoastal Mar 18, 2019 3:42 PM

The slanted face looks great in this image... I'll have to get downtown to see in person soon.

Thanks for the shots Jono.
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Originally Posted by Jonovision (Post 8505524)


IanWatson Mar 18, 2019 4:09 PM

I wonder how they're going to clean the glass behind the copper.

Jonovision Mar 18, 2019 9:15 PM

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Originally Posted by IanWatson (Post 8509575)
I wonder how they're going to clean the glass behind the copper.

I was thinking the same thing.

Jonovision Mar 18, 2019 9:16 PM

Some pics from the waterside. No sign of brackets for the copper cladding on the outermost part of the glass, but it could be that it will be hung from the top?

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7902/...d41a2309_b.jpg20190316_151318 by Jonovision23, on Flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7886/...8687472f_b.jpg20190316_151240_HDR by Jonovision23, on Flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7809/...c4b3803b_b.jpg20190316_151300 by Jonovision23, on Flickr

IanWatson Mar 19, 2019 12:06 PM

They have a lot of the blueskin on now and brackets are up to support masonry. Hopefully we see some sandstone soon!

Jonovision Mar 21, 2019 3:33 PM

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7836/...1c1c9754_b.jpg20190320_160855_HDR by Jonovision23, on Flickr

Keith P. Mar 21, 2019 7:08 PM

We wait in anxious anticipation of the appearance by Muntz Metal. Sounds like a hard-core band. :thrasher:

OldDartmouthMark Mar 21, 2019 7:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith P. (Post 8514084)
We wait in anxious anticipation of the appearance by Muntz Metal. Sounds like a hard-core band. :thrasher:

:iagree: :haha:

RoshanMcG Mar 31, 2019 11:17 PM

http://i.imgur.com/aSWFZap.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/peGf4zf.jpg

Jonovision Apr 9, 2019 10:06 PM

https://live.staticflickr.com/7918/4...b21ee9bb_b.jpg20190407_124655 by Jonovision23, on Flickr

Also of note, the Stubborn Goat is rebuilding their beer garden. I've not seen plans but the way its been described sounds nice.

Jonovision Apr 15, 2019 9:44 PM

First bit of Sandstone has gone up!

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...1d54e7bf_b.jpg20190414_143502 by Jonovision23, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...eeb0f6a0_b.jpg20190414_131146 by Jonovision23, on Flickr

RoshanMcG Apr 15, 2019 10:12 PM

http://i.imgur.com/XazJmxJ.jpg

Jonovision Apr 29, 2019 10:57 PM

The sea bridge is back in for what I presume is its final season and I am happy to see that the stairs leading into the water from the central public area are being installed. I had heard, that they had been cut from the design.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...1c8658b4_b.jpg20190428_135733_HDR by Jonovision23, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...2c743d98_b.jpg20190428_135422_HDR by Jonovision23, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...4cf42452_b.jpg20190428_140127_HDR by Jonovision23, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...0b0b905a_b.jpg20190428_134901 by Jonovision23, on Flickr

worldlyhaligonian Apr 30, 2019 6:33 AM

The glass looks top notch. Fits perfectly into the waterfront.

IanWatson Apr 30, 2019 12:45 PM

I checked out the sea bridge before hopping the ferry this morning. The building looks really good from the water.

I find the glass looks way too blue currently, but I think that will be tempered once the copper goes in. The stone is looking good so far.

Also, the walk down Lower Water is much nicer now that that side has most of its cladding. The sloped wall really helps that side not feel claustrophobic.

Jonovision Apr 30, 2019 9:22 PM

I feel like the glass might still have a protective film on the inside. Everything just looks so blue when you look through it.

Jonovision May 13, 2019 10:11 PM

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...29b76af3_b.jpg20190512_202003 by Jonovision23, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...b4168f0b_b.jpg20190512_202626_HDR by Jonovision23, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...900016a3_b.jpg20190512_202900 by Jonovision23, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...5c587050_b.jpg20190512_203046 by Jonovision23, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...9d393031_b.jpg20190512_203126_HDR by Jonovision23, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...63b14a54_b.jpg20190512_203239 by Jonovision23, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...29044d96_b.jpg20190512_203343 by Jonovision23, on Flickr

bluenoser May 24, 2019 1:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonovision (Post 8572049)

I have to say, so far I am pleased with how the sandstone seems to be tying this building in with its surroundings.

There was some (what appeared to be) aluminum going up yesterday on the North side. I assume the 'oxidized' exterior finish will go over top of this?

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...24be1979_b.jpg


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