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terrynorthend May 7, 2017 11:38 AM

When does the floating bridge go in? A CBC article earlier in this thread referenced May 1, but there is no sign of a bridge down there yet!

IanWatson May 8, 2017 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by terrynorthend (Post 7797389)
When does the floating bridge go in? A CBC article earlier in this thread referenced May 1, but there is no sign of a bridge down there yet!

Yeah, I'm getting very impatient for that to go in. The fact that, as a pedestrian, I have to bounce back and forth between the different sides of Lower Water Street to get from Morris to the ferry is really starting to grind on me.

OldDartmouthMark May 8, 2017 2:06 PM

Hmmm... scheduling for the floating bridge construction seems somewhat vague.

From this March 9 article in the Chronicle Herald, construction on it should already have started:

Quote:

Two weeks ago, Waterfront Development awarded a $797,500 contract to Dartmouth-based Waterworks Construction to build a floating bridge between Cable Wharf and the Maritime Museum’s north wharf.

Waterworks Construction project manager Greg Kerr says a team of five people will undertake construction of the floating bridge’s 13 40-foot sections this month and work will begin on the site in April.

“The intention is to have it operational by the long weekend in May for pedestrian access,” he said in an interview Thursday.
http://thechronicleherald.ca/busines...g-train-bridge

However, Waterfront Development is being somewhat less committal in that they are saying "spring" in one document:

https://my-waterfront.ca/2017/04/28/...ax-waterfront/

...and "summer" on this map:

http://my-waterfront.ca/wp/wp-conten...2017_01_20.jpg

http://my-waterfront.ca/2016/12/14/q...on-mitigation/

Keith P. May 8, 2017 3:53 PM

If WDC is responsible for the floating bridge they will probably have it ready in about 10 years. They are not noted for their swift action.

terrynorthend May 8, 2017 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IanWatson (Post 7798187)
Yeah, I'm getting very impatient for that to go in. The fact that, as a pedestrian, I have to bounce back and forth between the different sides of Lower Water Street to get from Morris to the ferry is really starting to grind on me.

Yes. The weather is getting nicer now, and I have a little waterfront loop I like to walk at lunch in the summer. It's so far been hampered.

OldDartmouthMark May 9, 2017 12:17 PM

For those who walk by there daily: has any construction started for the temporary bridge?

q12 May 9, 2017 12:28 PM

These two webcams will show the bridge which doesn't look like it has even started yet.

https://www.novascotiawebcams.com/en...s/cable-wharf/

https://www.novascotiawebcams.com/en...useum-wharves/

OldDartmouthMark May 9, 2017 1:06 PM

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Originally Posted by q12 (Post 7799314)
These two webcams will show the bridge which doesn't look like it has even started yet.

https://www.novascotiawebcams.com/en...s/cable-wharf/

https://www.novascotiawebcams.com/en...useum-wharves/

Ah... great idea. I hadn't thought of consulting the webcams. :tup:

OldDartmouthMark May 16, 2017 2:09 PM

JET posted this in Halifax Photos --> Old Halifax.

I thought I'd add it here as it's pertinent for this thread as well:

http://thechronicleherald.ca/metro/1...-queens-marque

Quote:

VIDEO: Remnants of old Halifax unearthed at Queen's Marque

The ground below the Queen’s Marque development has proven to be quite the time capsule of centuries-old Halifax.

The project along the Halifax waterfront has unearthed “a complex of buildings” including a guardhouse from the 1780’s, an old fish market and a twine shop.

“(The buildings) add flesh to historical record,” said Bruce Stewart, president of Cultural Resource Management Group, the archaeologists for the project, during an interview Friday.

“We’re looking for a strengthening of our understanding of what life was like for the guards in the guardhouse or people who were using the market.”

The site — along Lower Water Street beside the Maritime Museum of the Atlantic — covers almost five acres at the centre-point of the city, previously known as Queen’s Landing, an area with a rich military, marine and mercantile history.

“We have continued use, re-use, development and redevelopment of this property from 1749 right through until today,” said Stewart.


Bruce Stewart president and Kathryn Stewart, staff archaeologist for Cultural Resource Management group, observe the excavated area of a guard house from the construction site on the Queen’s Marque on Friday, May 12.

When complete, the Queen’s Marque will be mixed-use complex of homes and businesses, along with 75,000 square feet of public space and three new wharves.

Stewart says the discoveries will not jeopardize the 2019 expected completion date.

“We’re working very closely with the contractors and the Armour Group to try and get addressed as quickly as we can,” he said.

“The goal is to minimize any delays.”

The property began use in 1749 as an old British military battery when the first settlers arrived in Halifax. The CRM Group hasn’t found any artifacts from the battery as of yet.

“We’re all keeping a very sharp eye out for that,” said Stewart.

The archaeologists complied old photos, maps and paintings of the area, so what they’ve found thus far hasn’t been much of a surprise.

“One of the biggest surprises for me, is there are fewer artifacts than we expected,” said Stewart.

“It’s a lot cleaner in that sense.”

As far as artifacts go, the archaeologists have found a cannonball, an old boot and broken pottery.

One of the bigger discoveries is of two large granite property markers with the initials “W.D.” engraved on them. Stewart says this stands for “War Department,” which is the British military stamp.

The markers will be incorporated into the final project for public viewing.

“Those are really excellent pieces,” said Stewart. “They’re in beautiful condition.”

The land markers are about two metres tall and similar ones can be found around town, including in Point Pleasant Park
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The granite property markers he is talking about are explained well in Stephen Archibald's "Noticed In Nova Scotia" blog:

http://halifaxbloggers.ca/noticedinn...ur-boundaries/

beyeas May 16, 2017 3:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldDartmouthMark (Post 7806613)
JET posted this in Halifax Photos --> Old Halifax.

I thought I'd add it here as it's pertinent for this thread as well:

http://thechronicleherald.ca/metro/1...-queens-marque



The granite property markers he is talking about are explained well in Stephen Archibald's "Noticed In Nova Scotia" blog:

http://halifaxbloggers.ca/noticedinn...ur-boundaries/

There is a granite marker on camp hill right be the Veteran's Memorial Building as well. Cool that they keep finding them around the city.

fenwick16 May 16, 2017 7:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldDartmouthMark (Post 7806613)
JET posted this in Halifax Photos --> Old Halifax.

I thought I'd add it here as it's pertinent for this thread as well:

http://thechronicleherald.ca/metro/1...-queens-marque



The granite property markers he is talking about are explained well in Stephen Archibald's "Noticed In Nova Scotia" blog:

http://halifaxbloggers.ca/noticedinn...ur-boundaries/


It is great that the markers will be incorporated into the final project. Hopefully they will also have pictures of the excavated foundations and display that. This will be a whole lot better than lighthouses (as in the Trillium) :)

someone123 May 16, 2017 11:00 PM

They have a few pictures of the marker and other artifacts here: https://twitter.com/QueensMarque/media

Colin May May 17, 2017 3:33 AM

A floating bridge = an undulating 'bridge'
I think the Coast Guard will have concerns about any structure that is 'floating'
There is a floating walkway on the north side of Murphy's, so now picture that in an open and unprotected space.
Would you like grandma walking along it with a 3 year old or an 9 year old ?

OldDartmouthMark May 17, 2017 4:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by someone123 (Post 7807178)
They have a few pictures of the marker and other artifacts here: https://twitter.com/QueensMarque/media

That's very cool! Thanks for posting that.

I agree that the best outcome will be to incorporate the markers in the final project. :tup:

counterfactual May 17, 2017 8:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldDartmouthMark (Post 7806613)
JET posted this in Halifax Photos --> Old Halifax.

I thought I'd add it here as it's pertinent for this thread as well:

http://thechronicleherald.ca/metro/1...-queens-marque



The granite property markers he is talking about are explained well in Stephen Archibald's "Noticed In Nova Scotia" blog:

http://halifaxbloggers.ca/noticedinn...ur-boundaries/

Thanks for posting, Mark. Very much enjoyed this. Apparently they found a medallion just the other day. Also on Twitter.

OldDartmouthMark May 18, 2017 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by counterfactual (Post 7808119)
Thanks for posting, Mark. Very much enjoyed this. Apparently they found a medallion just the other day. Also on Twitter.

Glad you enjoyed it. I am fascinated with stuff like this - artifacts that haven't seen the light of day in a century - there's no history that's more 'real' than this.

Really gives one a sense of the many 'lives' of an area - how over the years the waterfront has meant so many things - and has provided so many different experiences - to so many people.

...And it's about to enter a new chapter with the Queen's Marque project. Very cool.

Keith P. May 18, 2017 1:29 PM

I always felt those kind of finds were evidence of just how little our forebears cared about sanitation or the value of those items.

OldDartmouthMark May 18, 2017 3:00 PM

That is likely the truth, Keith. Practicality and financial sense has always been at the top of the list for any redevelopment, and perhaps rightly so as without a business case it's not getting done.

Additionally, 'recent history' has little value when work has to be done, and items such as those stone markers would not have been regarded as significant once they outlived their usefulness as actual markers. Besides, they would have been heavy to remove and they would make great fill.

From what I've read, it has only been in the last 40 years or so that any kind of urban archaeology has been done in Halifax when an old site was redeveloped. There were many developments done before the 1980s where old buildings were torn down, a hole was dug, and any artifacts that might have been contained in the removed material were hauled off and dumped unceremoniously at another location, whether as fill or otherwise.

Over the passage of time, however, we (a generalization) have realized the value of researching our own history, and thus have decided to put rules in place such that historical sites like this require some archaeology before construction can begin. So, what was once probably considered excellent fill material will now be displayed as a link to the site's military past.

But, yes, I think in general our forebears were simply concerned with survival and getting things done, and didn't take great pains to try to preserve such things. :2cents:

Dmajackson May 19, 2017 4:49 PM

http://68.media.tumblr.com/ac5c596d7...dq8o3_1280.jpg
Halifax Developments Blog (Photo by David Jackson)

Colin May May 19, 2017 11:54 PM

Spoke with a person who knows what is happening with the 'floating walkway'.
Coast Guard does have concerns and no definite date for the walkway. Policing the walkway 24/7 will be a problem.


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