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NYguy Dec 13, 2012 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aquablue (Post 5935707)
Is the corner building coming down (second to last pic)? I hope not!

The building in the center is coming down, but the facade will remain...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/147829823/medium.jpg



http://m3.i.pbase.com/o6/06/102706/1...c12121273b.JPG

aquablue Dec 13, 2012 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 5935824)
The building in the center is coming down, but the facade will remain...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/147829823/medium.jpg



http://m3.i.pbase.com/o6/06/102706/1...c12121273b.JPG

Goody. However, please someone clean the facade of the corner 1930's period tower.

DURKEY427 Dec 14, 2012 8:00 PM

When do you think we'll see a render?

NYguy Dec 14, 2012 8:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DURKEY427 (Post 5938110)
When do you think we'll see a render?

I have no idea. We didn't see a rendering of One57 until after it was already under construction.

THE BIG APPLE Dec 15, 2012 3:03 AM

I got to thinking and came up with a design. The tower will look similar to this as it will be thin. It will also give people something to look forward to. BUT this is what makes my design unique. The portion of MY tower to the west is clad in brick, or limestone mimicking the pre-war towers around it and keeping in design with the tower of which the facade is supposed to be kept intact, this is ofcourse the YELLOW potrtion. Now the (main tower) part of the tower to the east is blue with skyblue or ANY blue shade cladding. This creates a feeling of two buildings from many vantage points LIKE Columbus Circle, while from the Top of the Rock you see a 1500 ft needle with a crown. The TWO FACADE concept has NEVER worked as people think it's ugly and I agree (just look at Trump Park Ave) BUT I think it could work well here, as it's a TOUGH site with a TOUGH footprint. The dimensions are correct BTW, and Extell should hire me (I know). Here are 11 pics.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-A...V4/s1568/1.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-A...E/s1568/10.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-e...g/s1568/11.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-_...tE/s1568/2.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-B...6s/s1568/3.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-e...Zk/s1568/4.jpg

Hey is that a 15 CWP-esque building (yellow portion).

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-M...os/s1568/5.jpg

And what's that tall "other" building behind it (blue portion).

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-R..._w/s1568/6.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1...Eg/s1568/7.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Z...F4/s1568/8.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-t...xg/s1568/9.jpg

babybackribs2314 Dec 15, 2012 3:38 AM

Great photos! When you say the dimensions are correct, do you mean to the zoning diagram values that were given?

Also, this may be a stretch but I have to ask: can you post the same image with One57, Torre Verre, and 432 Park? I imagine that much of Midtown will basically become valleys between the major arterial roads (57th, 42nd, and 34th).

Onn Dec 15, 2012 4:24 AM

The shots look GREAT, keep'em coming!

Eidolon Dec 15, 2012 2:12 PM

Looks awesome, this tower will be so tall that not only will it be visible from many more places than any other building in the city, it will also be a pop-culture icon famous throughout the world and therefore it deserves a truly captivating design. NYC is entering a new era of height with this building.

Btw, is the height of this model exactly 1,550 feet or a little more to represent the mechanical floors? Since barnett is going for maximum height, could it be plausible for the mechanical floors along with an architectural element to brake the 1800ft barrier? It would be great for the future of tall buildings in New York if the WTC didn't hold any height records since otherwise some kind of taboo over building taller than the spire might develop.

Don098 Dec 15, 2012 3:38 PM

I know I'll be in the minority when I say this, but I'm sorry, that just looks ridiculous. It's completely, utterly out of scale with the rest of the skyline. It'd look much better if they lopped at least 300 feet off of it. It's going to look out of place.

hunser Dec 15, 2012 3:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Don098 (Post 5939036)
I know I'll be in the minority when I say this, but I'm sorry, that just looks ridiculous. It's completely, utterly out of scale with the rest of the skyline. It'd look much better if they lopped at least 300 feet off of it. It's going to look out of place.

I won't be out of scale once the 1300 footers (432 PA and HY North) and many other supertalls are completed. It's not like we are going here from an 800 to an 1600 footer. The city's got dozens of towers between that range.

Eidolon Dec 15, 2012 3:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don098 (Post 5939036)
I know I'll be in the minority when I say this, but I'm sorry, that just looks ridiculous. It's completely, utterly out of scale with the rest of the skyline. It'd look much better if they lopped at least 300 feet off of it. It's going to look out of place.

Those pictures omit 432 Park, One57, 220CPS and the Hudson Yards development which would really balance that picture, not to mention they will all be completed before 2018 when this tower is done, one shouldn't forget about the large midtown towers coming in the 2017to +2027 timeframe either. If there ever was anything out of scale with the rest of the skyline, it was the ESB before midtown reached a 700ft plateau.

yankeesfan1000 Dec 15, 2012 4:22 PM

Holy. Hell.

fleonzo Dec 15, 2012 4:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don098 (Post 5939036)
I know I'll be in the minority when I say this, but I'm sorry, that just looks ridiculous. It's completely, utterly out of scale with the rest of the skyline. It'd look much better if they lopped at least 300 feet off of it. It's going to look out of place.

You're failing to realize what others, here, have already acknowledged...NYC is going into a new era of Super Tall(s) construction in what is really a catch up to what has been going on in Asia/Gulf States for the past decade. Expect to see alot more buildings in the 1,000-1,500+ ft range because 500-700 ft is not going to cut it (except for BKLYN and Queens) for large scale projects!

khaizer007 Dec 15, 2012 5:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Eidolon (Post 5939043)
Those pictures omit 432 Park, One57, 220CPS and the Hudson Yards development which would really balance that picture, not to mention they will all be completed before 2018 when this tower is done, one shouldn't forget about the large midtown towers coming in the 2017to +2027 timeframe either. If there ever was anything out of scale with the rest of the skyline, it was the ESB before midtown reached a 700ft plateau.

Agreed! Not to mention my favorite, Tower Verre, which i'm still crossing my fingers will get built. This tower will be the tallest of all but it will fit just fine with the rest of them.
On a side note i can't say how thrilled i am when five years from now we will look at 1 WTC and 432 Park as just tall towers among many when 225 w 57 and the Hudson Yards North tower are built. This is perhaps the most exciting time for NYC skyscrapers in my lifetime. Can't wait till 2017!!

NYguy Dec 15, 2012 6:09 PM


Great indication of height, though I suspect the design will be a little less straightforward with slightly more bulk.
Also keep in mind that Norstrom will play a heavy role in the orientation of the tower...

Quote:

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2012-...e-in-manhattan

Pete Nordstrom said the search was complicated by the company's need for a particular configuration
plus space for a loading dock, among other requirements. At about 285,000 square feet on seven floors,
the new store will be almost twice as big as Nordstrom's average store.



Quote:

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...TATE/120629880

The department store's requirements included ceiling heights of at least 25 feet and open floorplates without
central elevator cores, and that combination made most existing buildings unworkable, Mr. Trulson said.
....Excavation on the site's 40,000-square-foot footprint could begin by the first quarter of 2013.



Quote:

http://therealdeal.com/blog/2012/06/...-hudson-yards/

Nordstrom executives will assist in decisions such as who the architect of the apartment, hotel and retail tower
will be, Barnett said.

Barnet said Nordstrom “will anchor an iconic tower with spectacular views of the Park, city and beyond.”


All signs point to a spectacular tower...:tup:

Eidolon Dec 15, 2012 6:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by khaizer007 (Post 5939130)
Agreed! Not to mention my favorite, Tower Verre, which i'm still crossing my fingers will get built. This tower will be the tallest of all but it will fit just fine with the rest of them.
On a side note i can't say how thrilled i am when five years from now we will look at 1 WTC and 432 Park as just tall towers among many when 225 w 57 and the Hudson Yards North tower are built. This is perhaps the most exciting time for NYC skyscrapers in my lifetime. Can't wait till 2017!!

I'm predicting New York will get a tower taller than 225 W57th and 6 to 12 other supertalls we don't know of proposed before 2020. Before 2020, New York will already have completed at least 15 supertalls, with at least another 4 under construction by then and that number likely to be higher when 2020 comes around! Then the stage will be set for a megatall.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the new tallest roof in America starting to rise towards the sky next year. :cheers:

Dale Dec 15, 2012 6:40 PM

They're going to have to rename Time Warner 'Lil Stumpy.'

aquablue Dec 15, 2012 7:06 PM

I don't like the idea of a double facade design that attempts to play old vs new. I don't think the building has to 'fit in' to the surroundings in this way as it could appear forced and constrained. I think the building needs to decide what it wants to be, highly modern or classic, but not both. I don't want to end up with a pastiche.

IMO, I hope the building doesn't defer to the past, but is a highly modern design that uses very little brick/stone, if any at all. I wouldn't mind if this thing ended up with a very far-out design either. Midtown is full of mixed styles and that is what makes it vibrant.

The height is very impressive though from your excellent model.

NYguy Dec 15, 2012 7:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aquablue (Post 5939228)
IMO, I hope the building doesn't defer to the past, but is a highly modern design that uses very little brick/stone, if any at all. I wouldn't mind if this thing ended up with a very far-out design either. Midtown is full of mixed styles and that is what makes it vibrant.

With One57, Barnett has shown that he can build something highly modern in design, yet with enough "NY" that it could fit in with the classic New York tower. I think we will get something distinctive, beyond just height. And itsn't it amazing that we're already talking about a building taller than 432 Park before that one barely gets off the ground? Great times to be a skyline watcher.

DURKEY427 Dec 15, 2012 8:09 PM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 5938146)
I have no idea. We didn't see a rendering of One57 until after it was already under construction.

Ok thanks. Hope this one will be amazing. Bring on New New York:notacrook:


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