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hollywoodcory Aug 18, 2020 9:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ACT7 (Post 9014660)
This may have already been discussed on here but I'm too lazy to search for it. Does anyone know why Qatar has already ended YYZ? Or was it always meant to be temporary? The original announcements made it sound like a scheduled flight commencement.

They only got approved for one month. I believe it was flown as a “repatriation flight” rather than a regular scheduled one that anyone can book to get around the bilateral. Air India is doing something similar with flights to YVR.

Djeffery Aug 19, 2020 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by nname (Post 9012043)




Labor cost are much cheaper on the Asia side... other than that, they really don't make money. Most long-haul flight from China are actually losing money, but they are subsidized by the government and by domestic flights, which are comparatively more expensive and are huge money maker... very similar to what AC did.

My friend once booked a YVR-CAN-SIN round-trip for $560. If you take out the tax, I calculate the airline gets about $60 for each leg... which is cheaper than some people spend for getting two meals in a restaurant... There's no way the airline is making any money from selling this ticket...


Don't forget the cargo that comes from China makes a lot of money for the airline as well.

wave46 Aug 19, 2020 1:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ACT7 (Post 9014660)
This may have already been discussed on here but I'm too lazy to search for it. Does anyone know why Qatar has already ended YYZ? Or was it always meant to be temporary? The original announcements made it sound like a scheduled flight commencement.

I can't say for certain, but airlines like Qatar and Emirates rely on being super-connector airlines.

If you can't put people in seats and have them connect to another destination, the business model falls apart. Since they've suspended many of their routes due to low demand, the whole model of a painless connection to wherever falls apart.

Relatively few people - compared to the volume the airlines carry - go to Dubai or Doha.

hollywoodcory Aug 19, 2020 3:36 PM

The first 767 to leave WestJet's fleet departed YYC today for Lake City, Florida to be converted for cargo. The plane was spotted yesterday with it title's painted over, and looks like another one is getting ready to leave too.

As for who bought them, I've heard everything from Prime Air, Cargojet to UPS.

wave46 Aug 19, 2020 3:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9015399)
The first 767 to leave WestJet's fleet departed YYC today for Lake City, Florida to be converted for cargo. The plane was spotted yesterday with it title's painted over, and looks like another one is getting ready to leave too.

As for who bought them, I've heard everything from Prime Air, Cargojet to UPS.

I don't think WestJet will miss those 767s.

Coldrsx Aug 19, 2020 4:03 PM

Such POS.

hollywoodcory Aug 20, 2020 10:18 PM

WestJet resumes TATL ops to LGW and CDG today from YYC. Hearing the loads are higher than expected.

This doubles YYC’s international service from 1 route to 3 as well.

lubicon Aug 20, 2020 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9017215)
WestJet resumes TATL ops to LGW and CDG today from YYC. Hearing the loads are higher than expected.

This doubles YYC’s international service from 1 route to 3 as well.

Expected by whom?

hollywoodcory Aug 20, 2020 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by lubicon (Post 9017266)
Expected by whom?

That was meant in general, not to anyone in particular. Additionally that is word for word what I was told when I ask how busy the two were “higher then expected”.

Denscity Aug 21, 2020 5:47 PM

Poor picture but Castlegar YCG is home to the Southease Fire Centre of BC. Increased forest fire in the region means that we are now home to 3 Electras and a Conair waterbomber.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...b3edf4f9_b.jpg20200819_183641 by Stanley Humphreys, on Flickr

This is the largest plane that lands in Castlegar. Second Place is the Air Canada Dash 8 300s.

thenoflyzone Aug 21, 2020 7:17 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9017215)
WestJet resumes TATL ops to LGW and CDG today from YYC. Hearing the loads are higher than expected.

This doubles YYC’s international service from 1 route to 3 as well.

Well, AF won't be flying to YVR (with passenger rights) until March 31, 2021, at the earliest, so WS's YYC-CDG run will come in handy for the folks over at Vancouver, at least for the next few months.

hollywoodcory Aug 22, 2020 1:15 AM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9018304)
Well, AF won't be flying to YVR (with passenger rights) until March 31, 2021, at the earliest, so WS's YYC-CDG run will come in handy for the folks over at Vancouver, at least for the next few months.

Jury is still out on if WS will continue to serve CDG beyond October. It’s still technically seasonal, but I can’t imagine they would resume a long haul route for just 2 months at the end of summer. Should be clear when they update their schedule next month.

Dominion301 Aug 22, 2020 4:03 AM

YOW's July pax stats are out. The airport has grown from being 3% as busy as usual in April to 10% as busy in July.

Sector / Jul-19 / Jul-20 / % Change
Dom: 370,956 / 42,675 / -88.5%
TB: 47,188 / 0 / -100.0%
Int'l: 24,749 / 0 / -100.0%
TTL: 442,893 / 42,675 / -90.4%

Sector / YTD 2019 / YTD 2020 / % Change
Dom: 2,289,535 / 815,802 / -64.4%
TB: 433,598 / 163,093 / -62.4%
Int'l: 287,961 / 168,382 / -41.5%
TTL: 3,011,094 / 1,147,277 / -61.9%

12 Months Rolling / % Change vs Year End 2019
Dom: 2,519,820 / -37.0%
TB: 415,792 / -42.3%
Int'l: 307,058 / -20.8%
TTL: 3,242,670 / -36.55%

Month-Over-Month Change
Sector / Jun-20 / Jul-20 / % Change
Dom: 20,256 / 42,675 / +110.7%
TB: 219 / 0 / -100.0%
Int'l: 0 / 0 / N/A
TTL: 20,475 / 42,675 / +108.4% - average pax per day increased from 682.5 in June to 1,376.6 in July

Dominion301 Aug 22, 2020 4:08 AM

Heads-up YVR: A 7M8 will be visiting YVR sometime next week as Transport Canada staff will begin re-certification flight testing.

https://news.paxeditions.com/news/ai...boeing-737-max

thenoflyzone Aug 22, 2020 4:01 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9018660)
Jury is still out on if WS will continue to serve CDG beyond October. It’s still technically seasonal, but I can’t imagine they would resume a long haul route for just 2 months at the end of summer. Should be clear when they update their schedule next month.

Is YYC-CDG currently for sale past October 31? If it isn’t, I doubt they will open it up for sale in the coming weeks. You’re not going to fill up a B787 on a winter TATL run in such short notice, especially not one operating YYC-CDG in the COVID era.

hollywoodcory Aug 22, 2020 6:08 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9019045)
Is YYC-CDG currently for sale past October 31? If it isn’t, I doubt they will open it up for sale in the coming weeks. You’re not going to fill up a B787 on a winter TATL run in such short notice, especially not one operating YYC-CDG in the COVID era.

Not currently. But why resume flying it for just 2 months late in summer? It’s the only “seasonal” route they are flying now too.

Nicko999 Aug 22, 2020 6:41 PM

YEG

Monthly passenger stats July 2020

Domestic 115,125 passengers (1,353,303 Year-to-date) -81.7% (-62.6% Year-to-date)
Transborder 200 passengers (207,505 Year-to-date) -99.7% (-64.4% Year-to-date)
International 0 passengers (157,938 Year-to-date) -100% (-46.2% Year-to-date)
FBO 26,950 passengers (193,972 Year-to-date) -42.1% (-31.3% Year-to-date)
Total 142,275 passengers (1,912,718 Year-to-date) -81.1% (-59.9% Year-to-date)

https://flyeia.com/corporate/media/passenger-stats/

We are approaching a decline less than 80% on year to year basis for some airport. Fuelled by the strong domestic numbers of course.

Truenorth00 Aug 23, 2020 12:50 AM

I really hope the feds see this as an opportunity and really fund airside infrastructure at all the major airports.

Denscity Aug 24, 2020 3:45 PM

Air Canada have resumed selling tickets from Castlegar to both Vancouver and Calgary again!!
Didn't know if these planes would ever come back!

lubicon Aug 24, 2020 4:49 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9019123)
Not currently. But why resume flying it for just 2 months late in summer? It’s the only “seasonal” route they are flying now too.

Because they have 5 (6?) airframes and a bunch of aircrew sitting around doing almost nothing. May as well utilize one of them a little more and maybe (if loads are okay) extend the season.


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