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roletand Aug 26, 2022 3:22 PM

That's great news about EV Green!

I haven't seen any recent news about those projects but did stumble across one named Logan Yards that's looking to put 900 apartments (mid-rise 7 stories) on the site of the EV pond down by National Ave., Newton Ave., & 16th St. Does anyone know more about this one?

ucsbgaucho Aug 26, 2022 4:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SDfan (Post 9712075)
Y'all need to do some basic research. Yes, San Diego is the 8th largest city in the country by population, but its media market is...28th. That's >1% of the national market, compared to LA, which is 2nd at nearly 5%.

Don't take my word for it, see from the experts at Neilsen:

https://www.lyonspr.com/latest-nielsen-dma-rankings/

Our metro, by the way, is only 17th in the US with 3.3 million people. If we are being generous and throw in Imperial County we bump up to 3.5 million. That still keeps SD at 17th below Detroit, Minneapolis, and even the Inland Empire.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...eas-in-the-us/

https://worldpopulationreview.com/us...nty-population

I wish folks would spend more time and energy focused on what San Diegans really need. More housing. Better transit and public infrastructure. Lower cost of living. Vanity projects like arenas and stadiums should not, and are not, a priority for San Diegans. Especially with a cash strapped city like SD. Sorry!

However, I will say that if a billionaire or two wants to throw their cash around, fine. But it shouldn't be on our backs. We have too many things we need to address before investing in entertainment that's currently free on TV or a hour+ away in OC and LA.

Agreed, which is why team owners are going to have to find ways to privately finance these construction projects. Cities may agree to do some tax benefits but that happens for all sorts of private corporate investment so that's not a sports-specific practice.

And while I also agree that the number of pro sports teams does not have a big effect on your city overall, I see this huge Midway project spending hundred of millions probably to renovate the Sports Arena but not going that one extra step to make it ready for an NBA or NHL team. Even if that's not the ideal location (and most NBA arenas are not in the most ideal location), at least it shows a commitment to the leagues that the city is ready for a team whenever that team is available. Get a team in here and THEN do a search for the ideal location to build a new arena. Clippers shared Staples Center for a LONG time and are now building their own state-of-the-art arena next to SoFi Stadium.

CaliNative Aug 28, 2022 6:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ucsbgaucho (Post 9713121)
Agreed, which is why team owners are going to have to find ways to privately finance these construction projects. Cities may agree to do some tax benefits but that happens for all sorts of private corporate investment so that's not a sports-specific practice.

And while I also agree that the number of pro sports teams does not have a big effect on your city overall, I see this huge Midway project spending hundred of millions probably to renovate the Sports Arena but not going that one extra step to make it ready for an NBA or NHL team. Even if that's not the ideal location (and most NBA arenas are not in the most ideal location), at least it shows a commitment to the leagues that the city is ready for a team whenever that team is available. Get a team in here and THEN do a search for the ideal location to build a new arena. Clippers shared Staples Center for a LONG time and are now building their own state-of-the-art arena next to SoFi Stadium.

San Diego now has a Roman Catholic Cardinal, the only one on the west coast. Even L.A. and S.F. don't currently have cardinals, just archbishops. Now why can't we get a basketball team?

Streamliner Aug 28, 2022 6:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9714384)
San Diego now has a Roman Catholic Cardinal, the only one on the west coast. Even L.A. and S.F. don't currently have cardinals, just archbishops. Now why can't we get a basketball team?

San Diego's Bishop was picked as Cardinal because of internal church politics not because of SD's status as a major metro. It sounds odd, but supposedly SF and LA's bishops were a bit too conservative for the more progressive Pope Francis.

CaliNative Aug 28, 2022 8:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Streamliner (Post 9714615)
San Diego's Bishop was picked as Cardinal because of internal church politics not because of SD's status as a major metro. It sounds odd, but supposedly SF and LA's bishops were a bit too conservative for the more progressive Pope Francis.

I was speaking tongue in cheek, but we need big league basketball and hockey! Football can wait. Big league arena downtown! The place would packed. Downtown interests & politicians & big investors, get on it!!!

SamFlood Aug 29, 2022 11:32 PM

A couple of pics from Terminal 1 looking at the construction.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...8b3f86cf_h.jpg


https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...f68631b1_h.jpg

sandiego_urban Aug 30, 2022 4:53 AM

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Originally Posted by roletand (Post 9709342)
I haven't seen those renders before, but really like them! The odd part about this project is it occupies 1/4 of the block SANDAG is trying to acquire to build out a downtown bus layover facility. The plan is to build a permanent facility for the busses to park and drivers to take breaks, removing the busses and porta-potties from A street.

SANDAG also mentioned building their new headquarters above the bus layover facility, potentially leasing extra office space to commercial tenants. I'm not sure what the status of the project is beyond what's listed here. https://www.sandag.org/index.asp?cla...rojects.detail

Seems like a terrible place to park buses, doesn't it? This prime location deserves something much better. Maybe they can put it closer to the airport runway where it would be a better fit.

sandiego_urban Aug 30, 2022 5:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Will O' Wisp (Post 9709411)
Ah, this one I have a little bit of second-hand knowledge of. SANDAG is being deliberately obscure in its wording on this web page.

As they say, two of the landowners have agreed to be bought out by SANDAG. But the third is some sort of group of lawyers, and they do not want to sell. Apparently they want to build an HQ of their own? Something of that nature, in any case they want an outrageous sum of money to sell.

Now in normal circumstances all one would need to do is break out the eminent domain proceedings, and indeed SANDAG is already moving in that direction. The issue here is that, as has been so well established in this thread before, SANDAG is flat broke. The only way they could pay for their fancy new office tower (with a bus depot in the basement) is a public-private partnership.

All well and good, but the CA state constitution prohibits the use of eminent domain if the property will then be conveyed to a private entity. Does a public-private partnership fall afoul of that? No way of knowing, it's a grey area in the law. But you can bet your britches that this gaggle of lawyers is going to drag SANDAG into court to find out.

So at the moment SANDAG and these lawyers are in a bit of a cold war, neither really wanting to test this out in trial, so they try and negotiate. Or at least that's where they were last I heard, this may be the legal group deciding to push ahead regardless of what SANDAG wants.

Will be interesting to see where this all goes. I'd much rather see building development at this location instead of a bus lot. Keep us posted.

sandiego_urban Aug 30, 2022 5:47 AM

I'm in total agreement with everyone say they should build a new arena in the 17-19k capacity range. It wouldn't just be for a potential hockey or NBA team ,but for concerts, too.

Speaking of arenas, the 7600 capacity Frontwave Arena in Oceanside for the Sockers will be great for North County. Just wish it didn't look like a distribution center.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...1e8c7370_c.jpg

https://frontwavearena.com/


Now that Seritage is selling off all of their properties, I wonder if what will happen to their plans to redevelop the parking lot around the former Sears building at UTC mall.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...8eea2d14_c.jpg

https://www.universitycitynews.org/w...Feb-9-2021.pdf

Also at UTC, Unibail-Rodamco-Westfield is tearing down the old Nordstrom store/wing before year end. Even though they are selling all of their US assets, they appear to moving forward with another development phase. Hotel? More retail space? Housing? Eataly has confirmed they are scouting out a San Diego location and UTC would be a perfect fit. We shall see.

https://www.sandiegoville.com/2022/0...-location.html

https://www.lajollalight.com/news/st...ng-at-utc-mall

sandiego_urban Aug 30, 2022 6:09 AM

Here's a current list of Downtown projects and their statuses from The City of San Diego. I think most projects listed have been mentioned here but it's a great cheatsheet.

https://www.sandiego.gov/sites/defau...s-log-2022.pdf

Xavier Cage Aug 30, 2022 9:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SDfan (Post 9712075)
Y'all need to do some basic research. Yes, San Diego is the 8th largest city in the country by population, but its media market is...28th. That's >1% of the national market, compared to LA, which is 2nd at nearly 5%.

Don't take my word for it, see from the experts at Neilsen:

https://www.lyonspr.com/latest-nielsen-dma-rankings/

Our metro, by the way, is only 17th in the US with 3.3 million people. If we are being generous and throw in Imperial County we bump up to 3.5 million. That still keeps SD at 17th below Detroit, Minneapolis, and even the Inland Empire.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...eas-in-the-us/

https://worldpopulationreview.com/us...nty-population

I just want to point out that being the 28th Media Market does not make San Diego a small market overall. Its only on the smaller side when compared to 30+ team pro leagues. Despite being 28th, there are smaller media markets with multiple major league sports teams.

San Diego is 2 team market that only has 1 team. It was mentioned earlier but it should be repeated... The Phoenix Coyotes of the NHL are right there for the taking. They are going to playing their home games in a 5,000 seat college arena. They are trying to get an arena built in Tempe but there is no agreement yet and it is not a sure thing. A brand new 16,000 seat arena in San Diego might start to look pretty tempting to them.

LosAngelesSportsFan Aug 30, 2022 2:29 PM

That's actually an interesting idea in regards to the coyotes. I know bettmen and the nhl really want to make it work in Arizona but if not, SD should be the first choice

roletand Aug 30, 2022 3:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sandiego_urban (Post 9716108)
Seems like a terrible place to park buses, doesn't it? This prime location deserves something much better. Maybe they can put it closer to the airport runway where it would be a better fit.

The bus stopover facility is meant for short stops, it's not the same as the bus depot in East Village where vehicles are stored an maintained. According to MTS/SANDAG's documentation, a location over by the airport is too far away from the existing bus routes.

"To ensure on-time transit service for downtown riders, the stopover must be located close to transit routes that terminate near Broadway and State Street. Because most transit vehicles at the stopover would park for a short period of time, the close location ensures that buses would operate on schedule. It would also minimize operational costs and the need for additional bus circulation on surface streets."

DOWNTOWN BUS STOPOVER AND MULTIUSE FACILITY FACT SHEET
https://www.sandag.org/uploads/publi...4483_23477.pdf

JSW Aug 30, 2022 5:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sandiego_urban (Post 9716137)
Here's a current list of Downtown projects and their statuses from The City of San Diego. I think most projects listed have been mentioned here but it's a great cheatsheet.

https://www.sandiego.gov/sites/defau...s-log-2022.pdf

You know after looking at this list, I didn't realize the California Theatre condo development was actually approved. I know the developer recently pulled out, but the curious thing is I noticed last week some equipment showed up on site and some areas on the block are flagged off with demo company banners on site as well... Are they demolishing it? Is someone on board to move it forward, or are they turning it into an empty lot that will sit for another decade?

superfishy Aug 30, 2022 7:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Xavier Cage (Post 9716171)
I just want to point out that being the 28th Media Market does not make San Diego a small market overall. Its only on the smaller side when compared to 30+ team pro leagues. Despite being 28th, there are smaller media markets with multiple major league sports teams.

San Diego is 2 team market that only has 1 team. It was mentioned earlier but it should be repeated... The Phoenix Coyotes of the NHL are right there for the taking. They are going to playing their home games in a 5,000 seat college arena. They are trying to get an arena built in Tempe but there is no agreement yet and it is not a sure thing. A brand new 16,000 seat arena in San Diego might start to look pretty tempting to them.

Plus, two of my cats over the years have been eaten by coyotes so the name is perfect for San Diego

superfishy Aug 30, 2022 7:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JSW (Post 9716628)
You know after looking at this list, I didn't realize the California Theatre condo development was actually approved. I know the developer recently pulled out, but the curious thing is I noticed last week some equipment showed up on site and some areas on the block are flagged off with demo company banners on site as well... Are they demolishing it? Is someone on board to move it forward, or are they turning it into an empty lot that will sit for another decade?

I noticed that as well. There were no workers on site when I walked by, but a wall was already in the process of being demolished. This was on last thursday the 25th.

sixonenine Aug 30, 2022 9:09 PM

I don't have specific details about exactly what kind of structures will be built at the old Nordstrom building in UTC. But I work there and from word of mouth I believe it will become an entire designer wing. With from what I heard confirmed Gucci, Chanel, David Yurman and moving the Louis Vuitton into a bigger store. Hopefully we get different brands we don't have in SD like Balenciaga or Givenchy.

Also, did anybody watch the Louis Vuitton cruise 2023 show at the Salk Institute? It was amazing and cool to watch Architecture and Fashion come together. SD really needs more exiting shows like that.

roletand Aug 31, 2022 3:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JSW (Post 9716628)
You know after looking at this list, I didn't realize the California Theatre condo development was actually approved. I know the developer recently pulled out, but the curious thing is I noticed last week some equipment showed up on site and some areas on the block are flagged off with demo company banners on site as well... Are they demolishing it? Is someone on board to move it forward, or are they turning it into an empty lot that will sit for another decade?

All indications point to the building being demolished for safety reasons. The developer went bankrupt and listed the property with development rights for sale. As the building continued to decay, the City of San Diego took notice and referred multiple code issues to the City Attorney's Office.


San Diego will investigate California Theatre owner as it seeks building’s demolition

BY JENNIFER VAN GROVE
AUG. 12, 2022

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...ngs-demolition

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The California Theatre, an abandoned downtown landmark crumbling in plain view, is now the subject of a contentious dispute as city representatives press an insolvent property owner to immediately rectify safety breaches and demolish the “dangerous structure.”

Streamliner Aug 31, 2022 4:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sixonenine (Post 9716883)
I don't have specific details about exactly what kind of structures will be built at the old Nordstrom building in UTC. But I work there and from word of mouth I believe it will become an entire designer wing. With from what I heard confirmed Gucci, Chanel, David Yurman and moving the Louis Vuitton into a bigger store. Hopefully we get different brands we don't have in SD like Balenciaga or Givenchy.

Also, did anybody watch the Louis Vuitton cruise 2023 show at the Salk Institute? It was amazing and cool to watch Architecture and Fashion come together. SD really needs more exiting shows like that.

Yeah I never thought of the Salk Institute as a location for a fashion show but judging by the videos it was perfect. Really cool to see.

Video Link


Video Link

LAisthePlace Aug 31, 2022 5:02 PM

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Originally Posted by roletand (Post 9717525)
San Diego will investigate California Theatre owner as it seeks building’s demolition

God that would be tragic for you all down there to lose that gem. A couple hours North we've definitely lost a few historic theatres over the years (RIP Carthay Circle...) but by and large we've been able to keep most of them intact, including many taking on a new life (United Artist now as the Theatre at the Ace Hotel, and even the Tower Theatre as the new Apple store in DTLA).

Hoping you all get a positive outcome.


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