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hollywoodcory May 13, 2020 1:41 AM

Edelweiss updated its schedule again and looks to be resuming both YYC and YVR at the end of May again.

ZRH-YYC 1x weekly May 31-June 29. Inbound on Sundays and outbound on Mondays.

ZRH-YVR 1-2x weekly May 31-June 29. Inbound Thursdays/Sundays and outbound on Monday/Fridays.

https://www.flyedelweiss.com/EN/aler...d-flights.aspx

hollywoodcory May 13, 2020 8:19 PM

WestJet has re-opened more routes from June 26. Now the following is available in full fare between June 26-July 4. The rest of the Transborder/International routes are still planned from July 5.

YYC-ATL 1x daily
YYC-LAX 1x daily
YYC-LAS 2x weekly
YVR-LAX 1x daily
YYZ-LGA 1x daily
YYZ-MCO 2x weekly
YYZ-CUN 1x weekly

thenoflyzone May 13, 2020 10:50 PM

CBSA is temporarily suspending service at 126 small Canadian airports until further notice.

https://www.canada.ca/en/border-serv...locations.html

List of airports where customs remains open can be found here.

https://www.canada.ca/en/border-serv...ing-sites.html

List of airports where CBSA usually provides customs service can be found here.

https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/do-rb/services/aoe-eng.html

hollywoodcory May 14, 2020 9:50 PM

YYC has had zero luck with either of the two Canadian airlines (despite being a hub for both) this year. With AC further pushing FRA until June 24, I now believe they won't be back at all this summer. Both Europe routes will be likely be consolidated with its counterpart out of YVR. The only hope left is WestJet and maybe KLM for any kind of international service this summer.

YYC's next scheduled flight outside of North America is June 7 (WK ZRH). But I'm doubtful that will happen.

thenoflyzone May 14, 2020 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 8922476)
YYC has had zero luck with either of the two Canadian airlines (despite being a hub for both) this year. With AC further pushing FRA until June 24, I now believe they won't be back at all this summer. Both Europe routes will be likely be consolidated with its counterpart out of YVR. The only hope left is WestJet and maybe KLM for any kind of international service this summer.

YYC's next scheduled flight outside of North America is June 7 (WK ZRH). But I'm doubtful that will happen.

Surely you can't be surprised by AC's lack of interest in resuming long haul from YYC. It's the 4th "hub" in importance, and barely at that. As for WS, you can't be too surprised either, as most of those long hauls were full of connecting traffic. As cross Canada and US-Canada traffic is dead, your not getting much feed for these flights. At least YYZ, YUL and YVR have O&D to rely on. You don't have that at YYC to the same extent.

Like I said, WS to LGW might be the only thing YYC gets this summer.

On the bright side, domestic traffic should bounce back before international, so that should favor YYC later on.

Truenorth00 May 14, 2020 11:49 PM

I wonder if the pandemic finally compels WS to make the call and go all in on SkyTeam.

casper May 15, 2020 3:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Truenorth00 (Post 8922582)
I wonder if the pandemic finally compels WS to make the call and go all in on SkyTeam.

Yes please. As international travel shrinks there is going to be far more need for international connections through a few international hubs. You could see WS focusing on Paris, Amsterdam and Narita.

hollywoodcory May 15, 2020 6:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8922493)
Surely you can't be surprised by AC's lack of interest in resuming long haul from YYC. It's the 4th "hub" in importance, and barely at that. As for WS, you can't be too surprised either, as most of those long hauls were full of connecting traffic. As cross Canada and US-Canada traffic is dead, your not getting much feed for these flights. At least YYZ, YUL and YVR have O&D to rely on. You don't have that at YYC to the same extent.

Like I said, WS to LGW might be the only thing YYC gets this summer.

On the bright side, domestic traffic should bounce back before international, so that should favor YYC later on.

Even AC's domestic schedule out of YYC is basically nothing until the end of June. I still can see FRA at some point resuming, but LHR is debatable.

Word out of WS is they want to resume all 4 787 destinations this year (including Rome, which I 100% doubt).

KLM is the strongest contender for a foreign carrier to resume this summer/year.

Quote:

Originally Posted by casper (Post 8922754)
Yes please. As international travel shrinks there is going to be far more need for international connections through a few international hubs. You could see WS focusing on Paris, Amsterdam and Narita.

In terms of Skyteam wouldn't Incheon make more sense over Narita? Prior to all this I think they mentioned they were interested in an expanded relationship with KE.

Truenorth00 May 15, 2020 6:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by casper (Post 8922754)
Yes please. As international travel shrinks there is going to be far more need for international connections through a few international hubs. You could see WS focusing on Paris, Amsterdam and Narita.

And I'm sick of not having a real alternative to AC for a network. Oneworld or SkyTeam. Just pick one already.

Dominion301 May 15, 2020 7:55 PM

YOW's the first of the major airports to report April pax stats. Read 'em and weep!

Sector / Apr-19 / Apr-20 / % Change
Dom: 321,291 / 6,654 / -97.9%
TB: 68,122 / 309 / -99.5%
Int'l: 32,194 / 0 / -100.0%
TTL: 421,607 / 6,963 / -98.3%- the total for the month would normally equal the pax count up until lunchtime on the 1st of the month!

Sector / YTD 2019 / YTD 2020 / % Change
Dom: 1,188,641 / 744,485 / -37.4%
TB: 282,548 / 162,339 / -42.5%
Int'l: 221,625 / 168,382 / -24.0%
TTL: 1,692,814 / 1,075,206 / -36.5%

12 Months Rolling / % Change vs Year End 2019
Dom: 3,549,397 / -11.3%
TB: 566,088 / -21.5%
Int'l: 373,394 / -3.7%
TTL: 4,488,879 / -12.17%

hollywoodcory May 15, 2020 9:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 8921328)
WestJet has re-opened more routes from June 26. Now the following is available in full fare between June 26-July 4. The rest of the Transborder/International routes are still planned from July 5.

YYC-ATL 1x daily
YYC-LAX 1x daily
YYC-LAS 2x weekly
YVR-LAX 1x daily
YYZ-LGA 1x daily
YYZ-MCO 2x weekly
YYZ-CUN 1x weekly

WestJet has now re-opened all classes for booking on all the routes mentioned above from June 26-July 4.

thenoflyzone May 15, 2020 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 8923499)
YOW's the first of the major airports to report April pax stats. Read 'em and weep!

Sector / Apr-19 / Apr-20 / % Change
Dom: 321,291 / 6,654 / -97.9%
TB: 68,122 / 309 / -99.5%
Int'l: 32,194 / 0 / -100.0%
TTL: 421,607 / 6,963 / -98.3%- the total for the month would normally equal the pax count up until lunchtime on the 1st of the month!

That's fucking brutal......

FlyYOW May 16, 2020 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 8923499)
YOW's the first of the major airports to report April pax stats. Read 'em and weep!

Sector / Apr-19 / Apr-20 / % Change
Dom: 321,291 / 6,654 / -97.9%
TB: 68,122 / 309 / -99.5%
Int'l: 32,194 / 0 / -100.0%
TTL: 421,607 / 6,963 / -98.3%

Breathtaking!

craneSpotter May 16, 2020 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 8923499)
YOW's the first of the major airports to report April pax stats. Read 'em and weep!

Sector / Apr-19 / Apr-20 / % Change
Dom: 321,291 / 6,654 / -97.9%
TB: 68,122 / 309 / -99.5%
Int'l: 32,194 / 0 / -100.0%
TTL: 421,607 / 6,963 / -98.3%- the total for the month would normally equal the pax count up until lunchtime on the 1st of the month!

Sector / YTD 2019 / YTD 2020 / % Change
Dom: 1,188,641 / 744,485 / -37.4%
TB: 282,548 / 162,339 / -42.5%
Int'l: 221,625 / 168,382 / -24.0%
TTL: 1,692,814 / 1,075,206 / -36.5%

12 Months Rolling / % Change vs Year End 2019
Dom: 3,549,397 / -11.3%
TB: 566,088 / -21.5%
Int'l: 373,394 / -3.7%
TTL: 4,488,879 / -12.17%

Wow, YOW. This is the national capital too - you'd think there would be a little more 'essential' government traffic ... guess not. Brutal. May/June will be the same, or at least not much better.

Coldrsx May 16, 2020 12:53 AM

Better than I thought!

wave46 May 16, 2020 1:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by craneSpotter (Post 8923787)
Wow, YOW. This is the national capital too - you'd think there would be a little more 'essential' government traffic ... guess not. Brutal. May/June will be the same, or at least not much better.

I'm pretty sure the feds are trying to keep all essential travel to a minimum.

Anyway, it's not like the feds are doing much on the ground anyway - that's mostly the domain of the provinces.

p_xavier May 16, 2020 1:21 AM

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/air...offs-1.5572596

Air Canada to lay off 20,000 workers as pandemic collapses travel industry

Truenorth00 May 16, 2020 1:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by craneSpotter (Post 8923787)
Wow, YOW. This is the national capital too - you'd think there would be a little more 'essential' government traffic ... guess not. Brutal. May/June will be the same, or at least not much better.

There is very little travel that is absolutely truly essential. Especially in a pandemic. And especially by folks who should be setting the example.

Dominion301 May 16, 2020 1:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by craneSpotter (Post 8923787)
Wow, YOW. This is the national capital too - you'd think there would be a little more 'essential' government traffic ... guess not. Brutal. May/June will be the same, or at least not much better.

85% of the public service have been working from home for the past two months. Only absolutely essential travel is permitted and many departments are currently requiring Deputy Minister approval to travel.

YOW averaged about 18 scheduled aircraft movements a day in April (varied between 14 and 22), meaning the average flight to/from YOW had 13 pax aboard.

Keep in mind Ottawa still has a couple of trains per day each to Montreal/Quebec City and Toronto. Greyhound operated all month too, but now they’ve suspended service. You’re not even supposed to cross the bridges over to Gatineau without a good reason, let alone fly.

YOW was actually up through the end of February and still managed to break 1 million by the middle of March. At this rate YOW will be lucky to hit 1.5 million in 2020. If YVR think traffic will drop to 1995 levels in 2020, I think they might want to take a look at YOW’s April numbers and revise that to 1975!

Truenorth00 May 16, 2020 1:50 AM

The feds should fund any airside work, as part of stimulus, immediately. Ramp extensions, runway resurfacing, arrestor bed installation, etc. Now is the time to do it.


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