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TorontoDrew Jan 6, 2016 7:37 PM

It is slow but when I managed to get on their site and look into booking flights in June they had non available. What, do they have like 3 planes?

jmt18325 Jan 6, 2016 7:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TorontoDrew (Post 7290015)
it is slow but when I managed to get on their site at look into booking flights in June they had non available. What do they have like 3 planes?

2 planes

Bigtime Jan 6, 2016 7:49 PM

...and guess what happens if one of those planes goes mechanical?

Coldrsx Jan 6, 2016 7:58 PM

Sweet, now we can fly to everywhere we don't want to go...













I kid, I kid:sly:

SignalHillHiker Jan 6, 2016 7:59 PM

:haha:

Seriously, though - so jealous of HFX for this. Congrats!

Hali87 Jan 6, 2016 8:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 7290052)
Sweet, now we can fly to everywhere we don't want to go...



Clearly you're just jealous ;)

"Canada's Brooklyn", here I come!

SkydivePilot Jan 6, 2016 8:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigtime (Post 7290039)
...and guess what happens if one of those planes goes mechanical?

. . . . then half the fleet will be grounded, . lol!

This operator --- should --- do alright. AC & WJ won't be able to interfere with these routes. (Unlike Jetsgo.)

'Looking forward to NewLeaf doing transborder routes. I wish them the best. :tup:

jthetzel Jan 6, 2016 8:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker (Post 7284911)
:previous:

Yeah, I heard exactly that today - that the route was infamous for delays/cancellations. Still usually sold out, though, apparently. And we have the new runway system in the works (should be fully operational next year) that'll allow all flights to land even in near-zero visibility.

http://i63.tinypic.com/121a8ly.png

An interesting feature of flying United to Newark is United's codeshare program with Amtrak (e.g. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...ladelphia.html ). Connections to Philadelphia, Wilmington, Stamford, or New Haven are via the train. The codeshare is especially popular for Philadelphians. The Amtrak ride is only about 60 minutes and brings you right into Center City's 30th Street Station. From there, most destinations in southeastern Pennsylvania are conveniently accessible via the regional rail. If New York City is your final destination, NY Penn Station is just 30 minutes from EWR on NJ Transit. Interestingly, booking round trip YYT-EWR-ZFV (ZFV is the airline code for 30th Street Station) always costs about $50-$100 less than booking just YYT-EWR due to differences between the Philadelphia and New York markets. Some New Yorkers attempt to abuse the route by booking from ZFV but never boarding the train.

Generally, I find the YYT-EWR route a really convenient way to quickly get into the northeast US. From Newark, half the country is within a two hour flight, train, or drive. I fly it around three times a year (taking it back to St. John's today, writing from EWR) and have had good weather luck. Granted, I grew up outside of Philly, so getting stuck overnight around Newark is not a big deal and a great excuse to drop in on friends in the area. With the CAT III landing system at YYT, I would expect the flight to be significantly more reliable. An added bonus is the plane itself usually loops from the Houston/KC/Raleigh region of the US to Newark to St. John's, which is a relatively reliable route in the winter weather-wise. I've had many short connections to Halifax cancelled not because of bad weather at YYT or YHZ, but because the plane was previously hopping between Toronto and Montreal and got iced-in at YUL.

I'm hopeful that the seasonal summer service continues. The summer service is operated by United, flies larger planes with 3x3 seat configurations, and is dominated by tourists. The winter service is operated by United Express, flies the smaller Embraer 175 with 2x2 configurations, and carries many oilmen. One poster at flyertalk.com speculated that the cause for the cancellation might have been a loss of specific corporate contracts (presumably guaranteed business from the oil companies) as opposed to a general lack of interest in the route or a weak Canadian dollar ( http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25941649-post15.html ). If so, maybe United is cancelling to leverage a future contract, or maybe they need to cancel to re-organize the segment. I'd be happy with every-other day service. Or maybe I need to move past my denial and accept pseudo-direct flights to downtown Philly are gone for good. In any case, if St. John's can support daily service to Heathrow, it's hard to fathom daily service to New York being unprofitable.

I understand it's fun or cathartic to complain about the hassles of cancelled flights out of foggy St. John's, but I hoped at least one journalist or a critical mass of commenters would discuss the economic impact of losing the province's only direct route to New York, and the apparent lack of any provincial government effort to protect that route. But for some, none of that seems to matter. Afterall, we're getting expanded service to Orlando ( http://www.thetelegram.com/section/2...United-exits/1 ). Joy.

SteelTown Jan 6, 2016 9:14 PM

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NewLeaf is promoting one-way flights as low as $89, to fly between Kelowna, Regina, Saskatoon and Abbotsford. The company said it plans to operate two to three flights per week to each destination, using five Boeing 737-400s supplied by its Kelowna-based partner, Flair Airlines. Each plane can carry about 150 passengers.
http://www.bnn.ca/News/2016/1/6/New-...February-.aspx

Horus Jan 6, 2016 9:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SteelTown (Post 7290173)

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NewLeaf is promoting one-way flights as low as $89, to fly between Kelowna, Regina, Saskatoon and Abbotsford. The company said it plans to operate two to three flights per week to each destination, using five Boeing 737-400s supplied by its Kelowna-based partner, Flair Airlines. Each plane can carry about 150 passengers

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/g...l/wooooooo.jpg

esquire Jan 6, 2016 9:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Horus (Post 7290207)
NewLeaf is promoting one-way flights as low as $89, to fly between Kelowna, Regina, Saskatoon and Abbotsford. The company said it plans to operate two to three flights per week to each destination, using five Boeing 737-400s supplied by its Kelowna-based partner, Flair Airlines. Each plane can carry about 150 passengers

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/g...l/wooooooo.jpg

:haha:

I LOLed

LeftCoaster Jan 6, 2016 9:53 PM

Haha ya that got me too. Didn't even click until it was pointed out.

jmt18325 Jan 6, 2016 9:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigtime (Post 7290039)
...and guess what happens if one of those planes goes mechanical?

The company their contracting has more than two planes. New Leaf will only be using 2 at a time.

Klazu Jan 7, 2016 12:33 AM

What impresses me is that their prices actually include all taxes and fees.

http://flynewleaf.ca/site/assets/fil...a-schedule.png

TorontoDrew Jan 7, 2016 12:49 AM

It's a start and I wish them well.

jmt18325 Jan 7, 2016 1:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Klazu (Post 7290444)
What impresses me is that their prices actually include all taxes and fees.

Everyone's prices are all in now. It's the law.

jmt18325 Jan 7, 2016 1:21 AM

My question is this - what are the real fares?

Klazu Jan 7, 2016 2:35 AM

Well, it talks about "introductory prices", so those prices might change in the future. However the prices are not indicated to be "from $xxx" so they should be those for those routes (at least for now).

thenoflyzone Jan 7, 2016 2:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jthetzel (Post 7290130)
With the CAT III landing system at YYT, I would expect the flight to be significantly more reliable.

During the summer yes, when operated by mainline United, because the Airbus/Boeing planes can actually do CAT III approaches. But United Express ( in this case Shuttle America i believe) and their E170s are not CAT III certified. In fact, they are not even CAT II certified, apparently.

Several American regionals aren't CAT II capable due to training and equipment costs involved. Competition for regional contracts is based almost solely on who has the lowest operating cost. So you see why a lot of regionals don't bother equiping their planes or training their crew to CATII/III standards. Often times weather conditions throughout their network doesn't warrant it also.

So during the winter schedule, the CAT III wouldn't bring any benefits to United's operations at YYT, because they send a UAX E170.

lubicon Jan 7, 2016 7:31 PM

[QUOTE=Klazu;7290444]What impresses me is that their prices actually include all taxes and fees.

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Originally Posted by jmt18325 (Post 7290503)
Everyone's prices are all in now. It's the law.

Unfortunately that is true. It was much better before when prices did not include taxes and fees - it gave you a much better picture of how much you were getting bent over by the government, airports, etc.


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