Worrying about shadows makes no sense to me either. People go to the beach to get sun, they go to Manhattan to get a dense city. How often does a given point on the New York streets even get sun now? Unless the sun is very high in the sky or aligned perfectly down the east-west streets you're going to get shadows in most places. A given spot on the sidewalk likely averages an hour or two of sun a day and yet New York runs 24 hours a day just fine.

Its a very weak NIMBY argument. Often they will talk about shadows, and do all of these shadow studies. Usually, these NIMBYs tend to suffer dementia, and they only shadows they see, are from the hallucinations due to low acetylcholine! :tup:

Which also impairs their ability to understand that they live in a city, among many other things.

This I like. I think at first we where very skeptical of DeBlasio, but he is almost on a Bloomberg level when it comes to developments. Very impressed so far. Poor St. John (he's not a saint btw; lies!) needs to realize that this is a skyscraper city. :koko:

DeBlasio certainly is keeping a more watchful eye on development, but he doesn't want to curtail it as to halt the transformation of the skyline. He's more concerned with affordable housing and what each development means for the city. With 225 w 57th, we're getting a skyline altering icon and also a shiny new Nordstrom mall for New Yorkers and tourists to spend their money at, not far from Carnegie Hall and Central Park.

Complaints by NYC residents about tall buildings being constructed? Now I've seen it all. If that kind of NIMBYism can happen in NYC, it can happen anywhere... and we've definitely got our share of it in LA.

An architect should come up with a concept for a supertall tower with a heliostat that can redirect sunlight onto Central Park where there are shadows. That would be pretty amazing.

And then it malfunctions and accidentally starts the whole park on fire. :hell:

"I believe this is a plot by the oligarchy to sit in their sky mansions and use concentrated beams of light to burn to death people living in Central Park, like a sociopath uses a magnifying glass on an ant" - Gale "skyscrapers are Satan" Brewer.

It is all how you word things.

Shaddows: bad, dark, depressing, scary
Shade: Cool, refreshing, protective

I for one think skyscrapers can provide great shade, like the thousands of trees in the park. :cheers:

there is an apt bldg down in battery park city that does just that!

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/02/nyregion/2ink.html

Or maybe this is the answer:

http://www.amusingplanet.com/2013/09...in-london.html

People just aren't happy no matter what you do to please them. First, they bitch about tall skyscrapers making shadows and blocking the sun. WTF? Now, they bitch because someone can fry an egg on the sidewalk, because of the reflected Sun?? Simple solution, wear fricken sunglasses and park your car in an indoor garage so it doesn't melt! Isn't that easy? :runaway:

Mmikeyphilly, meet Mr. New Yawk NIMBY.

Mr. NIMBY, Mr. Mmikeyphilly.

;)

Yes, sometimes people are just stupid, and could find the next block if pressed. But you can't blame it on the buildings. The average person probably wouldn't know the difference between the Empire State and the Chrysler. From various places in the city and the metro area, the towers can be used as a point of reference, but in Manhattan, I always say it's impossible to get lost (unless, like I mentioned, you're lost in a forest of trees and can't see anything). But stupid people prove me wrong everyday.


Yes he does.


I've been saying that. On those hot summer days in the park, the shade is welcome indeed. But it's all overblown anyway. The park is heavily wooded, so you're going to be in shade more times than not anyway. And let's face it, this isn't sunny southern California.

It just shows you, when people can complain about a shadow over the park, just how privileged they are.

Yeah, I don't understand how it is that difficult. North of downtown you largely have a grid of numbered streets and avenues (even if some of the avenues also have names). Avenues go north-south, streets go east-west. 20 avenue city blocks = 10 street city blocks = 1 mile. Pretty darn simple. Why anybody would need look up to use a building as a landmark is beyond me even if you could see it.

I just looked up Google Maps for elavation figures, for 217W57th it's 24.357m or 79.9ft (79' 11'').

So the parapet (according to the latest DOB filings) is 1,630ft (497m) EL and spire 1,855ft (565m) EL. Damn, this tower will have a massive impact on the skyline!

:cheers:

I wonder what the top units in this tower will go for? Extell just broke a record with One57, and even that may not last for long. There's still so much unknown about this tower.


http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the...nyc-2015-01-18

The most expensive residence ever purchased in NYC

Jan 19, 2015

The main contender for breaking that record is probably Vornado's 220 Central Park South.

Wait what does this mean? Is this confirmed information?

No. It means that it's taller, because the ground it is sitting on is higher than the ground at sea level.

The numbers are highly misleading then. Its best not confuse people here.