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hollywoodcory Feb 24, 2023 8:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ace.yyc (Post 9874714)
I don't see a need for any additional capacity vs this winter. Maybe 3 or 4 more weekly 737 frequencies tops, but no way they'd need the 787 nor is one even free.

I agree its unlikely for SJD to get the 787, but looking at what's scheduled next winter there is slack in the 787 fleet to operate additional routes.

SignalHillHiker Feb 24, 2023 9:19 PM

Why is Minnesota doing Air Canada’s pre-recorded announcements in Toronto?

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Dominion301 Feb 24, 2023 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker (Post 9875363)
Why is Minnesota doing Air Canada’s pre-recorded announcements in Toronto?

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That American woman's voice is at quite a few airports. I don't think it's AC-specific but rather T1 specific. Her voice can be heard at YOW for any airline that wants to use the automated system...didn't have that back when I used to work. I rather enjoyed making gate annoucements. :notacrook:

Dominion301 Feb 24, 2023 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9875215)
Porter wants to build a 20,000 square meter terminal at YHU with 9 gates.

They will officially present their plan on Monday. The E195 is mentioned. The terminal will supposedly be located next to the John H. Chapman Space center of the Canadian Space Agency, northeast of the runways.

Link in French only.

https://www.lapresse.ca/affaires/202...n-terminal.php

They sure have a lot of plans for an airline not making a whole lot of money. One thing I will say though, is that there are no gates left at YUL during peak times. This could be part of that solution.

Also, worth noting that as of April 2024, commercial flights at YHU will be subject to a nighttime curfew, 11 pm to 6am, similar to YUL.

Another real estate opportunity for PD perhaps! YHU certainly could become the YTZ of Montreal. 23:00 will only be for departures though correct like YUL?

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9875222)
It's their airport. I guess they can do what they want.

One thing to note however. This process began in 2019, and airline consultation was part of the process. The complaint coming from some of these airlines is that during COVID, they weren't operating to YUL and therefore weren't kept in the loop, apparently.

Ah ha.

thenoflyzone Feb 24, 2023 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9875416)
Another real estate opportunity for PD perhaps! YHU certainly could become the YTZ of Montreal. 23:00 will only be for departures though correct like YUL?

Those hours I mentioned were in a La Presse article. I’m assuming it’s both for arrivals/departures. If that’s the case, and is applicable to all commercial jet traffic, then it’s actually more restrictive than YUL.

At YUL, curfew is only applicable to aircraft over 45 tonnes (meaning E175/CRJ9 and smaller can operate 24/7), and is midnight to 7am for departures and 1am to 7am for arrivals. And there’s a lot of exemptions. (Ex. DEL/GRU land at 6am. And several sun flights are allowed to depart between 6-7am in winter).

As for YHU becoming the YTZ of Montreal. It’s true only to a certain extent. ADM has the exclusivity on international flights out of Montreal with its lease agreement with Transport Canada, which is valid until 2072 I think.

So if YHU gets a terminal building, it will only be used for domestic flights. That’s a huge drawback.

Dominion301 Feb 25, 2023 2:05 AM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9875427)
Those hours I mentioned were in a La Presse article. I’m assuming it’s both for arrivals/departures. If that’s the case, and is applicable to all commercial jet traffic, then it’s actually more restrictive than YUL.

At YUL, curfew is only applicable to aircraft over 45 tonnes (meaning E175/CRJ9 and smaller can operate 24/7), and is midnight to 7am for departures and 1am to 7am for arrivals. And there’s a lot of exemptions. (Ex. DEL/GRU land at 6am. And several sun flights are allowed to depart between 6-7am in winter).

As for YHU becoming the YTZ of Montreal. It’s true only to a certain extent. ADM has the exclusivity on international flights out of Montreal with its lease agreement with Transport Canada, which is valid until 2072 I think.

So if YHU gets a terminal building, it will only be used for domestic flights. That’s a huge drawback.

Would've helped if I'd read the article first, lol. So a hotel in the mix too and a rumoured announcement on Monday, wow. I would imagine PD would vacate YUL vs keeping a split operation? Leaving YUL though would kinda defeat the purpose of getting closer with TS, unless TS suddenly start paying attention to YOW and basing a 321 out of there year-round.

caribb Feb 25, 2023 2:53 AM

It would help if the REM went to YHU. Crossing bridges into Montreal especially during rush hours isn’t easy.

The remarks above about working with Air Transat and domestic only flights is quite telling. Looks like a restrictive environment for the cost of setting all this up however I presume they’ve looked all this and found a way to make it work. It’ll be an interesting press release on Monday.

YOWhopeful Feb 25, 2023 3:04 AM

Yes but YHU is near Longueuil metro station. With a “shuttle bus” Porter could take its passengers to the subway station in under 15 minutes.

Zmonkey Feb 25, 2023 5:12 AM

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Originally Posted by YOWhopeful (Post 9875611)
Yes but YHU is near Longueuil metro station. With a “shuttle bus” Porter could take its passengers to the subway station in under 15 minutes.

I don't really get how that is a sell once the REM is open. REM will be 20 -25 minutes from the Trudeau to downtown.
HUB will just be a very small airport with likely nice amenities like Toronto island. But the transit in, Trudeau will win this unless something is extended out.

thenoflyzone Feb 25, 2023 8:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9875580)
Would've helped if I'd read the article first, lol. So a hotel in the mix too and a rumoured announcement on Monday, wow. I would imagine PD would vacate YUL vs keeping a split operation? Leaving YUL though would kinda defeat the purpose of getting closer with TS, unless TS suddenly start paying attention to YOW and basing a 321 out of there year-round.

Who knows. 9 gates is more than enough for PD to serve the Montreal market adequately from YHU alone.

They only have 2-3 gates here at YUL. They used to be at the domestic jetty, but got kicked out to the aeroquay in 2021. They weren't too happy (WS as well, in fact). Now that some E195s are in house, ADM gave them a gate or two at the domestic jetty for this winter season, but I don't think there will be room for them this summer. They are clearly getting bounced around by ADM at YUL. They don't like it. YHU might be the solution to this problem, like I said.

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Originally Posted by caribb (Post 9875607)
It would help if the REM went to YHU. Crossing bridges into Montreal especially during rush hours isn’t easy.

The remarks above about working with Air Transat and domestic only flights is quite telling. Looks like a restrictive environment for the cost of setting all this up however I presume they’ve looked all this and found a way to make it work. It’ll be an interesting press release on Monday.

Here's what I think is happening.

1. PD already has experience building/operating a terminal. Plus they sold it and made a profit. Might be the only profit they ever made, so they probably want to emulate that.

2. PD has 50 E195s coming and 50 more options. That's A LOT of planes (that can't fly to YTZ). Add to that the fact that YYZ and YUL are maxed out or very close to it, plus YOW and YHZ aren't big enough to handle that many planes on their own. So PD needed a plan B. This might be it. Hence the accelerated timeline. Shovels are supposed to be in the ground this spring, apparently.

If they do build a proper terminal building at YHU, I bet you a lot of Quebec regional carriers will be interested in using it. It might be a real money maker for PD. So they might be on to something.

nname Feb 25, 2023 9:16 AM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9875694)
Who knows. 9 gates is more than enough for PD to serve the Montreal market adequately from YHU alone.

They only have 2-3 gates here at YUL. They used to be at the domestic jetty, but got kicked out to the aeroquay in 2021. They weren't too happy (WS as well, in fact). Now that some E195s are in house, ADM gave them a gate or two at the domestic jetty for this winter season, but I don't think there will be room for them this summer. They are clearly getting bounced around by ADM at YUL. They don't like it. YHU might be the solution to this problem, like I said.

With all the new LCCs, I'm sure most new airlines got bounced around in every major airport in Canada. PD don't have a fixed gate or even a fixed check-in counter at YVR. It's going to get even more crowded at the domestic side in the upcoming summer...

Dominion301 Feb 25, 2023 3:18 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9875694)
Who knows. 9 gates is more than enough for PD to serve the Montreal market adequately from YHU alone.

They only have 2-3 gates here at YUL. They used to be at the domestic jetty, but got kicked out to the aeroquay in 2021. They weren't too happy (WS as well, in fact). Now that some E195s are in house, ADM gave them a gate or two at the domestic jetty for this winter season, but I don't think there will be room for them this summer. They are clearly getting bounced around by ADM at YUL. They don't like it. YHU might be the solution to this problem, like I said.



Here's what I think is happening.

1. PD already has experience building/operating a terminal. Plus they sold it and made a profit. Might be the only profit they ever made, so they probably want to emulate that.

2. PD has 50 E195s coming and 50 more options. That's A LOT of planes (that can't fly to YTZ). Add to that the fact that YYZ and YUL are maxed out or very close to it, plus YOW and YHZ aren't big enough to handle that many planes on their own. So PD needed a plan B. This might be it. Hence the accelerated timeline. Shovels are supposed to be in the ground this spring, apparently.

If they do build a proper terminal building at YHU, I bet you a lot of Quebec regional carriers will be interested in using it. It might be a real money maker for PD. So they might be on to something.

I was thinking the same thing with Pascan springing to mind. Heck Pascan could be a regional feeder to PD at YHU. Maybe PD want to become the airline for the South Shore and Eastern Townships. Unlike the Michel Leblanc Intair days Montreal’s population is a lot bigger and Quebecers as a whole are vastly more diverse and willing to travel beyond their own borders than they were 30 years ago. It’s a gamble we’ll see if it pays off…if they stay in the real estate game and own the hotel that could help. I could see PD keeping a small presence at YUL 6-7 per day to serve YTZ only (or maybe with some O&D only Florida flying but when bother going up against AC 330s and TS) with a similar number of YHU-YTZ frequencies.

kattiff Feb 26, 2023 2:04 PM

Soooooo apparently WestJet is suppose to be announcing big expansion for Winnipeg in the late summer fall ish

JakeLRS Feb 26, 2023 5:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kattiff (Post 9876382)
Soooooo apparently WestJet is suppose to be announcing big expansion for Winnipeg in the late summer fall ish

Lets not get ahead of our selves. Westjet has been doing more flip flopping than ever before lately. But YWG would fit into their increased western presence. If so, the Swoop sun flying from YWG will almost certainly end.

hehehe Feb 27, 2023 3:04 AM

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Originally Posted by kattiff (Post 9876382)
Soooooo apparently WestJet is suppose to be announcing big expansion for Winnipeg in the late summer fall ish

From some sort of a source with the company?

I don’t think anyone here would be surprised. There’s only so much YYC flying you can do.

YYCguys Feb 27, 2023 5:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker (Post 9874710)
Sitting in Dublin airport. Only announcements I’ve heard so far in this area of the airport is one wishing people a great time in Rome and three announcing Air Canada delays lol

Dublin airport is what they call a “quiet terminal” or something to that effect, meaning that announcements are generally restricted to specific gates and not heard terminal wide, if that makes sense. I quite like it. It makes for a calmer, less stressful experience.

SignalHillHiker Feb 27, 2023 8:00 AM

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Originally Posted by YYCguys (Post 9876895)
Dublin airport is what they call a “quiet terminal” or something to that effect, meaning that announcements are generally restricted to specific gates and not heard terminal wide, if that makes sense. I quite like it. It makes for a calmer, less stressful experience.

It seems that way, certainly - you can hear faint announcements elsewhere as you walk around. Aren't all larger airports like that now? I would assume the only ones that go everywhere are the type, "This is Flight X paging Y passenger. If you are in the terminal building, please present immediately at Gate Z."

thenoflyzone Feb 27, 2023 6:33 PM

Well, it's official. YHU is getting a new terminal building late next year. Construction starts this spring/summer.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...809596368.html

PD is keeping their ops at YUL, so it will be a split operation for them in Montreal, same as Toronto. Both the Q400 and the E195 will fly out of YHU to a bunch of Canadian destinations, including YYZ and YTZ.

PD and Pascan will start a codeshare agreement, and the latter will use the terminal building as well. The terminal will be open to other airlines as well (in fact, in the picture, you can see a few Flair 737s and a WestJet 737).

It's not too clear from the picture, but the 9 gates will be bridged, according to the terminal overview section at the bottom of the press release.

JakeLRS Feb 27, 2023 7:12 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9877267)
Well, it's official. YHU is getting a new terminal building late next year. Construction starts this spring/summer.

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PD and Pascan will start a codeshare agreement, and the latter will use the terminal building as well. The terminal will be open to other airlines as well (in fact, in the picture, you can see a few Flair 737s and a WestJet 737).

It's not too clear from the picture, but the 9 gates will be bridged, according to the terminal overview section at the bottom of the press release.

This could be a new Flair base. They’ve been eyeing YUL for a base but those plans keep getting postponed. Perhaps flair will set up shop here?

thenoflyzone Feb 27, 2023 7:29 PM

One thing I will say though, based on that picture, they are dreaming if they think that terminal will be able to handle 4 million passengers/year.


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