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ghYHZ Jan 30, 2019 9:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Denscity (Post 8452791)
Why now tho? Was this flight available during the $100 a barrel oil days?

Back in the oil boom days there were other nonstop from Alberta to Newfoundland including Ft McMurray-St. John's on AC. (BTW...Ft Mc is still NFLD's second largest city:) )

Also weekend charters to Deer Lake and St. John's......drop a crew off and pick-up those going back.

Denscity Jan 30, 2019 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ghYHZ (Post 8454787)
Back in the oil boom days there were other nonstop from Alberta to Newfoundland including Ft McMurray-St. John's on AC. (BTW...Ft Mc is still NFLD's second largest city:) )

Also weekend charters to Deer Lake and St. John's......drop a crew off and pick-up those going back.

Ya that's what I figured!

wave46 Jan 30, 2019 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by whywhyzee (Post 8454699)
YYZ is one of the busiest international destinations to many of Europe's hubs, such as AMS, FRA, and LHR, not to mention maintains a strong presence in Asia. I seem to recall seeing on another forum that YYZ is the second or third largest gateway to North America, so it's fair to say it wells reserves that rank, all without a massive ME3 presence that some competing airports have, and other highly restrictive bilaterals.

YUL is even more impressive given it's size, they punch waaaaaay above their weight on the global scale. If you want to see airports with numbers that might be considered excessive, look at Europe, where just about every flight is international. Especially in the EU, where it may as well be domestic, those airports tend to see massive numbers.

Oh, I was just kidding around and wanted to see if anyone took the obvious bait.

I don't really care about numbers per se. As long as the flights I want are available at a decent price and time, I'm all good with respect to airports. Whether one has more international passengers than another is irrelevant to me as long as I can get where I'm going painlessly - domestic or international.

Luckily, I'm closest to YYZ, so most of the world is just a flight away.

Dirt_Devil Jan 30, 2019 4:11 PM

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Originally Posted by nname (Post 8453084)
Also, YYZ-YQB is now fully Rouge, 5x daily, and all flights upgauged to A320.

I'm trying to find this out on AC's timetable but I can't find it....and I'm no expert reading airlines timetables....

Where did you find this info? That's a large upgauge for YQB. And when is it effective?

thenoflyzone Jan 30, 2019 4:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirt_Devil (Post 8455021)
I'm trying to find this out on AC's timetable but I can't find it....and I'm no expert reading airlines timetables....

Where did you find this info? That's a large upgauge for YQB. And when is it effective?

YQB was 5x daily Rouge A319 last summer, so not a huge upgauge.

Dirt_Devil Jan 30, 2019 6:03 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8455082)
YQB was 5x daily Rouge A319 last summer, so not a huge upgauge.

Ok thanks. still 200 seats vs 136 on the A319.

lubicon Jan 30, 2019 7:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SpongeG (Post 8454283)
Drunk WestJet passenger who caused plane to reroute ordered to pay $21,000 for the fuel

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...Sc_V1gki7RBhT8

He should have been fined the total cost of ~$200 000.

Ania Jan 30, 2019 7:37 PM

Genuine question: What will replace the current old 50 seat and smaller aircraft? There is the ATR-42 and MRJ70 which have 48 and 80 seats respectively...but aren't airlines going to be wanting smaller feeder aircraft? There are nearly 1000 of the 50 seater jets active with the USA big 3 alone. Looking at Air Canada, around 25 aircraft wouldn't be replaced by bigger aircraft and routes will be lost---because they would be too big.

wave46 Jan 30, 2019 8:00 PM

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Originally Posted by lubicon (Post 8455368)
He should have been fined the total cost of ~$200 000.

I'm inclined to believe $20k is enough....I don't want to destroy someone's entire life and take all their assets (i.e. their home) for one stupid thing they did.

Forking out $20k in fines (basically, making a car payment for a few years) should be enough of a reminder. It's not like he can come back here anyways now - he's a UK national.

thenoflyzone Jan 30, 2019 8:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirt_Devil (Post 8455201)
Ok thanks. still 200 seats vs 136 on the A319.

The A321 seats 200, not the A320. YQB is going all A320. The seating config for those frames hasn't been released yet, but it should be around 170-180.

wave46 Jan 30, 2019 8:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ania (Post 8455403)
Genuine question: What will replace the current old 50 seat and smaller aircraft? There is the ATR-42 and MRJ70 which have 48 and 80 seats respectively...but aren't airlines going to be wanting smaller feeder aircraft? There are nearly 1000 of the 50 seater jets active with the big 3 alone. Looking at Air Canada, around 25 aircraft wouldn't be replaced by bigger aircraft and routes lost---because they would be too big.

The ATR42 will likely replace the Dash8 -100/200/300, while the ATR72 will replace the Q400.

The economics of the CRJ200 have really worked against it. The closest replacement might be an Embraer ERJ. They burn a lot of fuel for minimal number of passengers.

The good news is that there's lots of regional jets parked in the desert, so their will be an adequate fleet for some time.

The future will be either larger jets - the Mitsubishi Regional Jet and Embraer E-jets come to mind - or props, like the ATR42.

Despite the boom in air travel, short-haul (<500 nautical miles) has stagnated.

YYCFlier Jan 30, 2019 10:51 PM

ATR aircraft are slow with crappy range.

The DH3s have just completed an extended life program and are good for s while yet. Some older Q400s being replaced with CR9s but they will be in the fleet a long while.

wave46 Jan 30, 2019 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by YYCFlier (Post 8455739)
ATR aircraft are slow with crappy range.

The DH3s have just completed an extended life program and are good for s while yet. Some older Q400s being replaced with CR9s but they will be in the fleet a long while.

Absolutely. Jazz has plenty of time to evaluate its fleet options.

Eventually though, the DH3s will be retired. There's really only one option after that point - the ATR. I don't think there's anything else that fills that particular niche in the market.

Ania Jan 30, 2019 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8455458)
The A321 seats 200, not the A320. YQB is going all A320. The seating config for those frames hasn't been released yet, but it should be around 170-180.


5 320s for yyz yqb? that is huge!

YYCFlier Jan 30, 2019 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by wave46 (Post 8455750)
Absolutely. Jazz has plenty of time to evaluate its fleet options.

Eventually though, the DH3s will be retired. There's really only one option after that point - the ATR. I don't think there's anything else that fills that particular niche in the market.

Unless Viking wants to start manufacturing ....

Ania Jan 30, 2019 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by wave46 (Post 8455462)
Despite the boom in air travel, short-haul (<500 nautical miles) has stagnated.

Agreed! I can't help but think the lack of a new modern craft is to blame. There is a difference between a gas guzzler being certified to fly, and doing it profitably.

One of the main concerns with the smaller planes is pilot shortage...but there's talks out there for single 'pilot' in the cockpit with remote control

nname Jan 30, 2019 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8455082)
YQB was 5x daily Rouge A319 last summer, so not a huge upgauge.

Hmm... my record shows 3x A319 and 2x E75 last summer

AC Navi show 3x A321 and 3x E75..... so I'm not so sure anymore...


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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8455458)
The A321 seats 200, not the A320. YQB is going all A320. The seating config for those frames hasn't been released yet, but it should be around 170-180.

And according to time table, it's 12PR 150Y

Ania Jan 30, 2019 11:27 PM

^ They've alternated throughout summer and fall

Ania Jan 30, 2019 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by wave46 (Post 8455750)
Absolutely. Jazz has plenty of time to evaluate its fleet options.

Eventually though, the DH3s will be retired. There's really only one option after that point - the ATR. I don't think there's anything else that fills that particular niche in the market.

On top of my head from YYZ alone of CRJ100/200: Omaha, Memphis, St.Louis, Kansas City, Jacksonville, Savannah. For some of these destinations, MRJ is too much of an upgauge and ATR just doesn't reach. That regional flying is a strong asset Air Canada has against its other Canadian competitors.

wave46 Jan 30, 2019 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ania (Post 8455787)
Agreed! I can't help but think the lack of a new modern craft is to blame. There is a difference between a gas guzzler being certified to fly, and doing it profitably.

One of the main concerns with the smaller planes is pilot shortage...but there's talks out there for single 'pilot' in the cockpit with remote control

A modern plane might help, but I suspect the answer lies in the fact that chasing marginal feeder traffic just isn't a priority for large airlines anymore.

In densely populated areas (most of Europe, the Eastern US), most people will just travel to the next major airport by road (or rail) to take a flight.

Canada, Australia and the Western US are outliers in the sense that we have isolated communities that don't have great land links to major airports. Driving from Timmins,ON, Baie-Comeau, QC, Wabush, Nfld or Fort. St. John, BC to the next major airport is damned inconvenient. Also, these communities aren't really booming either.


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