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thenoflyzone Jan 11, 2019 1:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DoubleK (Post 8432631)
I wonder how big Porter could get if they had the ability to fly jets out of Billy Bishop.

Less than you think, considering the terminal building is at or near capacity.

zahav Jan 11, 2019 8:15 AM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8432555)
These numbers do not include November. They are until October.



More or less same reasons why domestic is significantly larger at YVR. Add leakage as well.

Leakage at YUL via other modes of transport to the US is probably higher than at YVR. Within a days' drive (6-9 hrs), you can reach NYC, BOS, PHL, Washington, etc. That is a huge population bassin right there. Not to mention Amtrak service to NYC and the leakage of Montrealers driving and flying from YYZ, PBG, BTV and even ALB. Let's not forget the thousands of Quebecers that drive down to Florida every year (as evidenced by the huge amount of QC plates you see in Florida every year.)

All of these easily represent millions people/year.

By comparison, the closest US metro area with significant tourism/business draw to YVR is SFO, which is a 16.5 hour drive. I doubt BC plates are as regular in California as Quebec plates are in Florida.

BLI sees about 500,000 Canadians that drive down from Vancouver. Add in those that drive or take the Amtrak to Seattle, and I can't see that being as high as YUL's leakage.

Seattle would be our closest, not SFO. And they are a significant tourism and business draw. Headquarters of some of America's largest companies, and huge for tourists. But yes we have less "leakage" than YUL I'd say too. BLI and SEA itself are not as popular for Canadians as they once were. SEA's expansion from Delta was highly publicized, but the actual traffic growth has been very lukewarm. Far lower than YVR's and much lower than one would expect from having so many new flights added. They are getting some good adds with JAL, CX, and SQ this year, but I think those flights are long overdue. Seattle is much much larger than Vancouver and so SEA getting those carriers makes sense and I don't think will cause much YVR 'leakage' (them getting SQ stings YVR though for sure, sigh, that was rough when we heard)

thenoflyzone Jan 11, 2019 12:21 PM

Yes. I meant besides Seattle (and Portland). Should have put that in there.

big T Jan 11, 2019 2:19 PM

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Originally Posted by lubicon (Post 8432365)
YUL and YYC domestic vs. international numbers are fascinating. Almost a complete reverse of each other. Shows how little Quebecers travel domestically, and how little (relatively ) Calgarians travel internationally. YYC heavily tilted to transborder travel compared to YUL for 'international' travel.

I think you’re reading too much into these stats. Calgarians do travel internationally, they just have to connect domestically first (mostly through Toronto or Vancouver i would guess). Hence the overinflated domestic and underrepresented international.
Montreal is the other way around, since AC opened so many new international links over the past few years, this has probably lowered our domestic traffic to Toronto quite a bit as we no longer have to connect there.

DoubleK Jan 11, 2019 3:58 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8432756)
Less than you think, considering the terminal building is at or near capacity.

Oh. Didn't know that, thought maybe with some modest upgrades it could be Toronto's version of London City.

SkahHigh Jan 11, 2019 6:55 PM

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Originally Posted by big T (Post 8433070)
I think you’re reading too much into these stats. Calgarians do travel internationally, they just have to connect domestically first (mostly through Toronto or Vancouver i would guess). Hence the overinflated domestic and underrepresented international.
Montreal is the other way around, since AC opened so many new international links over the past few years, this has probably lowered our domestic traffic to Toronto quite a bit as we no longer have to connect there.

I believe it's a bit of both. Quebecers do travel less around the country, but they also have much more international connections which inflates international/deflates domestic numbers.

Coldrsx Jan 12, 2019 3:59 AM

8.2 million passengers at YEG in 2018, including terminal and FBO. Up almost 6% over 2017.

https://westernaviationnews.com/2019...dian-airports/

Terminal Traffic: 663,243 passengers (7,830,229 Year-total)
Domestic 509,141 passengers (6,395,357 Year-total)
Transborder 99,112 passengers (967,371 Year-total)
International 54,990 passengers (467,501 Year-total)

FBO Traffic*: 30,220 passengers (423,892 Year-total)

Grand Total: Overall 693,463 passengers (8,254,121 Year-total)


Growth%:
Terminal: 5.8% (6.2% Year-total)
Domestic 4.2% (6.3% Year-total)
Transborder 20.5% (9.9% Year-total)
International -2.2% (-1.4% Year-total)

FBO Traffic: 6.4% (-1.4% Year-total)

Grand Total: Overall 5.8% (5.8% Year-total)

MonctonRad Jan 14, 2019 12:41 PM

Controllers at the Regional Air Traffic Control Centres in Moncton & Gander caught performing an act of human kindness :tup:

Canadian air traffic controllers send pizzas to U.S. counterparts working without pay
Air traffic controllers in the U.S. must stay on the job under partial government shutdown
Sarah Smellie · CBC News · Posted: Jan 13, 2019 2:45 PM NT | Last Updated: January 13
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfo...izza-1.4976548

https://i.cbc.ca/1.4976615.154739997..._780/pizza.jpg

thenoflyzone Jan 14, 2019 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad (Post 8435584)
Controllers at the Regional Air Traffic Control Centres in Moncton & Gander caught performing an act of human kindness :tup:

Canadian air traffic controllers send pizzas to U.S. counterparts working without pay
Air traffic controllers in the U.S. must stay on the job under partial government shutdown
Sarah Smellie · CBC News · Posted: Jan 13, 2019 2:45 PM NT | Last Updated: January 13
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfo...izza-1.4976548

This was started by the controllers in Edmonton, which decided to send some pies over to the controllers in Anchorage (Edmonton area control centre shares a huge boundary with the Anchorage area control centre). It quickly caught on across the country from there.

Here in YUL, we sent some pies over to the controllers at the Boston area control centre and tracon, as well as the towers of BOS, LGA, BTV, ALB and BGR.

Toronto controllers sent some to Cleveland
Winnipeg to MSP
Vancouver to Seattle.

and so on.

thenoflyzone Jan 15, 2019 1:00 AM

CSeries gained ETOPS 180 certification today by Transport Canada. FAA and EASA (Europe) certification to follow.

This enables the plane to fly Mainland US/Canada to Hawaii, among other key routes.

https://airwaysmag.com/manufacturer/...-180-approval/

Pic from twitter. https://twitter.com/airinsight

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dw4b-ovWkAEbQ2M.jpg:small

While on the subject of the CSeries, AC new routes under analysis for their initial CSeries include:

(Routes currently not flown by any other carrier highlighted in bold)

YUL-SEA
YVR-IAD
YHZ-YVR
YYZ-MTY
YYZ-SJC
YYC-BOS
YYC-IAD

Pic from twitter.

https://twitter.com/airinsight/statu...44064%3Fs%3D19

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dw5cM7EWoAAV7TE.jpg

nname Jan 15, 2019 1:32 AM

Not surprised to see YUL-DEN on there, since it becomes mainline E90 in the upcoming summer.

YVR-IAD may as well considered not flown by other carrier... UA only fly it once weekly for less than 3 months during summer.

I'm a bit surprised that the list does not include YVR-SJC/DEN/SAN/YXE/YXY/YQR though.. as these are all 3-4 daily CR9 routes that are quite long.

thenoflyzone Jan 19, 2019 3:17 PM

Canada has, as of last month, new or expanded air transport agreements with St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Algeria, Qatar, Jordan, Côte-d’Ivoire and Mongolia.

The new rights under these agreements are available for use by airlines immediately.

The expanded agreements with Algeria, Qatar and Jordan allow airlines to operate more flights per week to and from Canada. Qatar Airways already increased YUL to 4x weekly last month. AC already announced ALG will switch to mainline and operate 5x weekly for peak summer. Will be interesting to see if Air Algerie or Royal Jordanian will increase frequency as well.

https://www.canada.ca/en/transport-c...greements.html

YYCguys Jan 19, 2019 10:18 PM

I hope WS picks up the SVD route! Likely ex YYZ if they do!

SpongeG Jan 20, 2019 6:08 AM

WestJet plane slides off taxiway at Edmonton airport

WestJet Flight 173 to Victoria was cancelled Friday night after the incident
CBC News · Posted: Jan 18, 2019

A Westjet flight headed to Victoria, B.C. was cancelled Friday night after the plane slid off the tarmac of the taxiway at the Edmonton International Airport.

WestJet Flight 173 was set to depart just before 6 p.m. According to WestJet the plane "departed the taxiway in icy conditions."

In tweet, WestJet said the plane "slid off the tarmac."

...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...cFDX-81F_iQanY

thenoflyzone Jan 20, 2019 1:00 PM

Major delays in Ontario and Quebec today due to the winter storm & the cold.

Moderate blowing snow and -18C at YUL at the moment. It's usually either the cold or the snow. Today it's both, which is extremely rare.

67 canceled departures at YUL. 34 at YYZ.

Overall, 114 canceled flights (arr/dep) at YUL today.

https://www.flightradar24.com/delayview/44.44,-77.71/6

Denscity Jan 20, 2019 7:38 PM

United Airlines flight from the States to Hong Kong spent over 13 hours on the Tarmac in Goose Bay due to a medical emergency then a mechanical issue!! Can you imagine??
No customs and it was too cold to get off cuz the door froze or something.

zahav Jan 21, 2019 6:15 AM

omg 13 hours stuck on the tarmac?! That's insane, I don't know how I'd survive that

Cage Jan 21, 2019 4:09 PM

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Originally Posted by zahav (Post 8443843)
omg 13 hours stuck on the tarmac?! That's insane, I don't know how I'd survive that

The pax would have spent 13 hours in the air regardless. Food and Drink were available, the only difference I see is that the airplane wasn't rocketting along at FL 41 doing mach 0.84.

casper Jan 21, 2019 4:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cage (Post 8444033)
The pax would have spent 13 hours in the air regardless. Food and Drink were available, the only difference I see is that the airplane wasn't rocketting along at FL 41 doing mach 0.84.

Perhaps they should have connected a tug and take the aircraft for a tour of the airport taxi ways every hour or so. :)

Denscity Jan 21, 2019 5:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cage (Post 8444033)
The pax would have spent 13 hours in the air regardless. Food and Drink were available, the only difference I see is that the airplane wasn't rocketting along at FL 41 doing mach 0.84.

It was also really cold in the plane apparently. And food was scarce so they brought in some Tims.


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