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spoonman Nov 13, 2018 4:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Boatguy619 (Post 8377074)
That first photo isn't Park and Market. Thats the Bosa development "Broadway Block" also going up nearby. Park and Market is the UCSD extension right? Too many big projects to keep track of, I love it.

Will Savina have anything on its rooftop? It sure look's like theres going to be something up there, hopefully not just for tenants. SD really lacks good rooftop bars/ clubs.


At least 9 rooftop bars come to mind. I’d actually say SD has led the way on rooftop bars.

Here are a few I can think of...Omnia, Hard Rock, Andaz/Roftop by STK, J Six, Hotel Republic, Hotel Palomar, Level 9, Glass Door, Kettner Exchange, etc.

Streamliner Nov 13, 2018 8:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Will O' Wisp (Post 8375170)
But because the City of SD has decided that would just look silly the Centre City PDO limits building heights to 500 feel above sea level across all of downtown. Although the City Council can overrule this and has done so in the past, unless your project is going to be iconic as One America Plaza (or the Seaport Village observation tower hopefully!) they're probably going to say no.

Fascinating, so this is why so many new buildings seem to arbitrarily be 470-480 feet. It still doesn't make sense that they used ASL, when Caltrans was only enforcing AGL.

Boatguy619 Nov 13, 2018 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by spoonman (Post 8377590)
At least 9 rooftop bars come to mind. I’d actually say SD has led the way on rooftop bars.

Here are a few I can think of...Omnia, Hard Rock, Andaz/Roftop by STK, J Six, Hotel Republic, Hotel Palomar, Level 9, Glass Door, Kettner Exchange, etc.

Are any of those over 20 stories? Lol that's weak. Hyatt has top of the Hyatt at 40+ but it's all indoor. That's the only one 400+ft I can think of.

superfishy Nov 13, 2018 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Boatguy619 (Post 8378258)
Are any of those over 20 stories? Lol that's weak. Hyatt has top of the Hyatt at 40+ but it's all indoor. That's the only one 400+ft I can think of.

Altitude Skylounge is on the 22nd floor I believe. Nice views of the Coronado bridge and into Petco park.

spoonman Nov 13, 2018 11:14 PM

In many cases developers put the rooftop venues on the podium’s rooftop as opposed to the tower’s rooftop. Most cities have few at the top of a tower. NYC and a few other cities may be the exception.

Besides Altitude, Top of the Hyatt, and others mentioned, Cusp at Hotel LaJolla is breathtaking.

Nv_2897 Nov 13, 2018 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by superfishy (Post 8377231)
I hope the Seaport redevelopment gets going before the next economic lull.

From what I heard Seaport should break ground early 2022

Boatguy619 Nov 13, 2018 11:54 PM

It would be nice if some of these 40+ story high rises put bars, infinity pools, restaurants, or something at the top like cities in Asia. I guess there's more money in selling real estate than selling drinks. I'm still holding out hope Savina has something going on up top, what's the point of the overhang or the landscaping on the roof if there's no access. There's also been a cherry picker at the top for quite a while, hard to tell what it's doing but looks like its putting up lighting on the overhang.

Will O' Wisp Nov 16, 2018 5:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Boatguy619 (Post 8377074)
That first photo isn't Park and Market. Thats the Bosa development "Broadway Block" also going up nearby. Park and Market is the UCSD extension right? Too many big projects to keep track of, I love it.

Will Savina have anything on its rooftop? It sure look's like theres going to be something up there, hopefully not just for tenants. SD really lacks good rooftop bars/ clubs.

There are just waaay too many projects rn, I don't think anyone can keep them all straight...

I mentioned before a little bit about the controversy surrounding the establishment of the South Park Historic District, and it looks like it's finally filtered out into the press.

Outdoor museums that don’t pay for themselves

Northparkwizard Nov 28, 2018 2:46 PM

Developer backs out of 42-story remodel of old Central Library.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...story,amp.html

HurricaneHugo Nov 29, 2018 4:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Northparkwizard (Post 8392581)
Developer backs out of 42-story remodel of old Central Library.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...story,amp.html

Not just any developer, Bosa.

If they're backing out...

superfishy Nov 29, 2018 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by HurricaneHugo (Post 8393578)
Not just any developer, Bosa.

If they're backing out...

What implication are you suggesting?

Nv_2897 Nov 30, 2018 1:21 AM

New tech campus proposed for East Village
UT article link: https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...129-story.html

https://i.imgur.com/ljgzLjB.jpg

Will O' Wisp Nov 30, 2018 1:27 AM

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Originally Posted by HurricaneHugo (Post 8393578)
Not just any developer, Bosa.

If they're backing out...

It's sad news, but lets not panic just yet. Of the projects we've been seeing pop up this one was always going to be one of the tougher ones. The NE corner of downtown is already the least developed, balancing the historical aspect was always going to be complex, but then the increasing price of steel and the slight ongoing slowdown in the housing market made the knockout blows. We're starting to reach a state where a bolder developer like Bosa is hesitant to make a single handed attempt to revitalize an area, but hot areas like East Village or the waterfront should keep chugging along. At least for now...

That area in particular kinda needs some anchors , something out there to really bring people in, it's one of the weaker sectors of downtown in that respect. A museum or other cultural monument is certainly an option, but we might have to wait for the trolley line up Park Blvd to Balboa Park for the area to really take off.

Northparkwizard Dec 1, 2018 7:10 PM

Union & Ash full drawings.
https://i.imgur.com/tzxYjrb.jpg

13th & Broadway full drawings.
https://i.imgur.com/uQAJNM8.jpg

Jefferson Makers Quarter full drawings.
https://i.imgur.com/YtATMSl.jpg

Steadfast Dec 2, 2018 6:43 AM

Thanks for the update Northparkwizard!

CaliNative Dec 2, 2018 9:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Will O' Wisp (Post 8394644)
It's sad news, but lets not panic just yet. Of the projects we've been seeing pop up this one was always going to be one of the tougher ones. The NE corner of downtown is already the least developed, balancing the historical aspect was always going to be complex, but then the increasing price of steel and the slight ongoing slowdown in the housing market made the knockout blows. We're starting to reach a state where a bolder developer like Bosa is hesitant to make a single handed attempt to revitalize an area, but hot areas like East Village or the waterfront should keep chugging along. At least for now...

That area in particular kinda needs some anchors , something out there to really bring people in, it's one of the weaker sectors of downtown in that respect. A museum or other cultural monument is certainly an option, but we might have to wait for the trolley line up Park Blvd to Balboa Park for the area to really take off.

Rather than a trolley extension, how about extending the proposed gondola from the airport, along Coast Highway by the hotels and Gaslamp, and then turn north in the east village up Park into NE downtown and into Balboa Park where it could terminate in the museum or zoo district? Cheaper than a trolley extension and way more fun and scenic. The tourists would love it, and so would the locals.

Will O' Wisp Dec 3, 2018 3:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 8396600)
Rather than a trolley extension, how about extending the proposed gondola from the airport, along Coast Highway by the hotels and Gaslamp, and then turn north in the east village up Park into NE downtown and into Balboa Park where it could terminate in the museum or zoo district? Cheaper than a trolley extension and way more fun and scenic. The tourists would love it, and so would the locals.

Not an awful idea, but the trolley already runs parallel to that most of that route in downtown so the only real changes would be the extensions to the airport and Balboa Park. Also, the proposed trolley extension wouldn't end in Balboa Park, in SANDAG's plans it goes north all the way to El Cajon Blvd, then east through the densest parts of North Park, past another proposed trolley route going N/S on the 15, before finally turning north on College Ave to intersect the green line underneath SDSU.

Obviously that's going to be much more expensive than a simple gondola, but in the long run it would give us a higher capacity system with a more complete transportation network.

HurricaneHugo Dec 10, 2018 5:00 AM

Skyline will be complete once Pacific Gateway goes up!


https://i.imgur.com/z2mMI2R.jpg?1

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Will O' Wisp Dec 10, 2018 6:53 AM

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Originally Posted by HurricaneHugo (Post 8403752)
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Well if you insist...

Fun times, County approved a master plan for McClellan-Palomar airport with an 800' runway extension and an upgrade in classification to D-III for commercial service (aka regional jets, up to 737s although other factors make this unlikely). Predictably a group of North County residents sued under CEQA, guided by the ever gratuitous Correy Briggs, esq.

I really wish there was better education on CEQA, then maybe we'd have less of these pointless lawsuits. Just an FYI, the ultimate authority for project approvals lies with the local approving body (city council, board of supervisors, etc). All CEQA says is that you are require to present this body with an accurate statement on any new effects this project will have on the physical environment before approving it, and if there was anything missing from this statement you can sue to have the statement redone and presented again.

For reference, a list of things that do not represent a valid CEQA case:

-Any existing environmental conditions, or anything that would still occur if the project wasn't built. That's simply outside the scope of what we're discussing.
-Any environmental impact that was disclosed in the EIR, even if it wasn't mitigated. Your duly elected representatives are assumed to have read the document and their approval means the benefits of this proposed project have been judged as worth the cost.
-Any reasoning the approving body's to approve the project, short of bribery or other malfeasance. As duly elected representatives the approving board de-facto represents the will of the community itself, and thus are given broad leeway in their decision making.
-Any reasoning the project sponsor or approving body used to make choice of alternatives, even if this lead to them choosing an alternative that presents greater environmental impacts than the others. Again, approving bodies have broad leeway in their decision making and their approval means the benefits have been judged as worth the cost.
-Any non-physical environmental impacts, including social and economic impacts. The courts have really been cracking down on this one lately, so any arguments about how this project affects your lifestyle or income are going to get short shrift unless you can provide a direct, measurable, and physical link with the project (and not how it makes you feel sad/unhappy).
-Any minor issues with document formatting or inconsequential omitted environmental impacts that wouldn't have effected the approving body's decision. No EIR can ever be totally complete or perfect, the point is to provide the approving body with enough information to make a yes/no judgement.

A list of things that do represent a valid CEQA case:

-When a project sponsor, intentionally or unintentionally, omits one or more of the ways the proposed project will effect the physical environment around it, and the omission was significant enough to likely effect the approving body's decision. Or in layman's terms, if there was something left out of the EIR that could've changed the approving body's mind. Anything else, and all you're doing is wasting two years of everyone's time and helping pay for Corey Briggs' new yacht.

spoonman Dec 11, 2018 4:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HurricaneHugo (Post 8403752)
Skyline will be complete once Pacific Gateway goes up!


https://i.imgur.com/z2mMI2R.jpg?1

PS: Post stuff

I’ve actually always disliked that angle. Seems to miss lots of buildings, and show lots in distance making them look small.


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