Leave it to the CFL to not schedule a re-match of the last year's Grey Cup for their first game of the season. Nope, gotta go with a nothing matchup between the Lions and the Stamps. Not only that, the Argos don't even play in week one.:koko:
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W1 has the the built-in interest of it being the first game/week of the season - so it's probably best to dangle that carrot for a little later. |
Tsn reports Canada Soccer may go bankrupt and both men's and women's teams might not be able to play in international tournaments this fall.
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What does this mean for the CPL? I thought Canada Soccer Business was keeping the whole thing afloat? What happens if it goes under? I'm not sure that any of the teams are self sustaining beyond Halifax, and maybe Victoria and Hamilton but I wouldn't bet on either. |
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The TSN article with details is here: https://www.tsn.ca/soccer/westhead-i...nces-1.1977583 Some of this stuff is kind of whatever, like the fact that some CMNT players had to fly home in economy from Las Vegas... boo hoo. But some of this stuff is a head scratcher, i.e. Quote:
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RDS reporting Montreal might be a candidate to land an NBA team likely through expansion. I wouldn't mind seeing that as with bell centre already built saves a lot on cost and instant rivalry with Toronto and Boston.
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https://twitter.com/PeteYannopoulos/...20275929513985
Je confirme il y a un deuxième groupe qui veut acheter et amener une franchise de la #NBA à Montréal. Ils sont déjà en contact avec la ligue. L’investissement et l’argent ne sont pas un problème. @RDSca |
The NBA would never work in Montreal. The American players (which is the vast majority of the league) hated Vancouver, so they will dislike Montreal even more. The team would be perpetually bad because if an NBA player does not like the situation they are in, they will sabotage the team til they are traded. Support for the team will drop when the fans realize the team will never be competitive, and the team will be moved.
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I dunno the beautiful women and attractions in Montreal are world renowned and I know I would rather play there than boring ol Toronto and their bata shoe museum. Plus would be # 1 attraction for French and Senegalese players.
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I think Vegas and Seattle are front of the line with maybe Montreal 4th or 5th (Louisville, Vancouver possibly Mexico City ahead). Not sure who the 2 groups are mentioned in that tweet for Montreal but I don't know how appealing being a tenant in an NHL team-owned building will be. Maybe a certain large telecom company that's in a 3 way partnership down the 401 with rumours of an ownership shuffle coming might be interested in gathering some teams under their umbrella in Montreal.
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I remember Tommy Lasorda pulling a practical joke on 2 of his players, telling them they were being traded to Montreal. The joke being Montreal is the last place an American pro athlete wants to play. The city is great, but the culture is something pro athletes will have a hard time with.
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With that all said, Montreal would be a more desirable market than Vancouver. It's twice as big, more cosmopolitan and have some of the best nightlife of any NOrth American city. They are also arguably the festival capital of North America as well. |
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There are TV market sizes from this on line publication on page 20. The numbers are from 2018. TV market size - Montreal 4,059,000 Vancouver 3,711,000. https://thinktv.ca/wp-content/upload...asics_2019.pdf |
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Vancouver would likely never happen as Seattle is # 1 in line to get a team back as nba has constantly regretted moving the Sonics out of Seattle and for expansion purposes need to balance the conferences with Western and Eastern expansion teams.
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I didn't know NBA players were so cultured. I thought some good grub and quality rub and tugs were top of list.
A pretty French Canadian girl wants to be pampered. Six hours of wining and dining and entertainment, two packs of cigarettes plus your best rub and tug and she may give you a half assed attempt in return. |
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The Canadian TV market potential for the NBA is a rounding error compared to the addition of another US market.
Vancouver/Montreal pissing match about who has the larger potential market is sad compared to high-pressure firehouse of additional US franchise potential. Also curious who is coming up with the $billion fees the NBA asks these days for moving/expansion franchise. |
I was only correcting a few posters. No pissing match on my side at all. The pissing match is coming only from people in BC.
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Montreal is a big market but other than hockey and special events like tennis tournaments, Formula 1, it’s not a good sports market.
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^ Pretty much. Montreal probably has the economic heft to support a NBA team. But I just don't think they care all that much to do it. Which is certainly fair.
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The number of bodies in Montreal and Vancouver markets are near irrelevant, because the additional Canadians don’t mean much in the context of the real NBA money maker - US TV rights. Sure, they’ll get some more Canadian interest for rights here, but it’s not going to be anywhere in the same league. |
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The NBA is aiming to double the national TV rights contract to near NFL-level. Does an additional Canadian team help that? Ehhh, not really, because few Americans would likely care about Montreal/Vancouver teams. Canadians might, but you can’t ‘sell’ the deal on anywhere the same scale here. Does somewhere like Las Vegas help that cause? You better believe it. |
Because nba is the most popular and growing of the big 4 internationally Montreal to me makes more sense than Vegas which is half the size and quickly becoming an oversaturated sports market with the A's relocation. I think with more and more European players joining the league they would enjoy a market like Montreal.
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So if Vancouver or Montreal were to come into play, TSN and Sportsnet end up paying more. WTith Vancouver you are looking at what would be the only team in Western Canada. BC and Alberta combine to over 10 million people. |
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You guys are hilarious with your market comparisons. Montreal is easily the bigger market for both tv and potential attendees. The Ottawa - Montreal - Quebec City Corridor has nearly 7 million people. The population of Quebec is nearly 9 million, nearly of which live within a few hours drive of Montreal. Which NBA team do you think nearly all of Quebec plus Atlantic Canada (2 million) will follow if Montreal was somehow able to secure an NBA team? It's probably a moot point as the cost for a team will likely exceed $3 billion US at this point. An MLB team - still a bit of a longshot by the looks of things, but a better possibility - would likely be more attainable for MOntreal as an expansion team would likely run closer to $2 billion given the somewhat stagnant growth in revenues in recent years. |
Baseball is not the sport of the future and after a few seasons of novelty of expos 2.0 coming back not sure it would succeed. Nba is sport of the future and easier to get an arena to work then a new ballpark.
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The Raptors play every game nationally in Canada. It's a lucrative TV market. |
Kings probably would have played more national games last season if people expected them to be so good.
Memphis is small market but the Grizzlies got 18 national TV games because they were expected to be a contending team. The NBA needs another team in either Vancouver and Seattle due to the isolation of Portland, which causes extremely long travel times for the Trail Blazers team. A team in Montreal is not as urgent because the teams in the US Midwest and Northeast are already very closely clustered together, and so travel times are not an issue for the teams there. |
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At the moment the Raptors have all of Canada to themselves as their home market but generally they can be said to be very healthy in Ontario, reasonably healthy in most of the rest of the ROC, but only register a very faint blip in Quebec. So I'd argue that for the NBA, Quebec is still a borderline "untapped" market in their own backyard. One that they can't properly invade without a team located in Montreal. |
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Americans by and large are for some reason way more interested in seeing their home team play Cleveland or Denver than Toronto. |
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American MLB players generally hated Montreal though with a few notable exceptions that are today (rightfully) venerated as Expos legends, for that and other reasons. (Though Latin American players generally loved playing in Montreal. Not many of those in the NBA.) Plus the MLB guys were spending the summer in Montreal. NBA players would have Montreal as their home base in the winter. The number one state for producing NBA players is... California. |
The tricky thing for proponents of the NBA in Montreal is that it's tough for them to get the NBA's attention when there are so many lucrative untapped markets in the US to choose from. For instance, Kansas City's metro GDP is slightly above Montreal's, and presents far fewer potential hassles.
Winnipeg is a city that by all the usual metrics would never have a NHL team, but the city's outsized passion for hockey made it possible. I don't know that you can say Montreal has a similar level of passion for basketball that would give it a leg up on the various US cities that would love to have a NBA team. If anything, Montreal probably has less basketball passion than the average North American city of that size. And yeah I get that plenty of teenage and twentysomething males in Montreal love basketball, but that's not what the team is going to be built on. Do the 60 year olds populating Montreal's corporate boardrooms care about basketball the way they do in Raleigh-Durham? I highly doubt it. |
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It was a similar situation with the Expos even though baseball arguably even had way more established roots in Montreal and Quebec. Look what happened there. As has been mentioned except for the Habs I don't think Montreal is that good a day-in day-out go to their team's games regularly on a weeknight type of sports city. It does well with "event" sports like F1, tennis and even boxing. Which all happen to be individual sports so maybe there is something to that as well. |
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TSN and Sportsnet are still the sports channels in Western Canada and they and all other national media and most corporate sponsors are still based in Toronto. You think they'd give first billing to the Vancouver NBA team over the Raptors at this point? Look at how people complain about coverage of the Leafs on TSN (Toronto Sports Network) and HNIC. And there are multiple NHL teams in Canada other than the Leafs. Totally different from Quebec where the Montreal NBA team would get top billing in all the media (all of which is distinct and based in Montreal for francophones), not just the one with broadcast rights. You'd never hear about the Raptors here if Montreal got an NBA team. Conceivably, Canada could get some good bona fide regional sports networks like they have in the US but even that comes with caveats. First of all, TSN and Sportsnet have so much of a head start it would be hard for the upstarts to compete with them. Plus, you wouldn't likely get a "Western Canadian" sports network but rather one for BC, one for AB, and maybe one for MB-SK. |
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You aren't going to suck enough money out of TVA, Sportsnet or TSN for Canadian rights to a new Vancouver or Montreal team to make up for the rights fees a Seattle or Vegas team will generate on the US national rights deal (let alone what they might be able to do on their own regional rights). |
This entire conversation reminds me of this joke from Corner Gas:
https://i.imgur.com/HIDTpbd.jpg https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/co...20190728200429 |
Looks like Vegas and Seattle are the front runners for NBA expansion not Montreal. I do have my doubts Vegas can support 4 teams for a market their size and lack of business diversification from hospitality.
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It's funny how Vegas went from being forbidden to essential for pro sports in under a decade...
I think Vegas can handle it, it's not a huge city but it's still fairly large and it's bolstered by a huge number of visitors willing to spend big money. Seattle makes good sense too. |
I have no concerns about the NBA being successful in Vegas. MLB on the other hand, after the first few years of novelty wears off, I can see them running into issues. The time of year the season runs and the shear number of games. The bulk of the season is in the so-called low season, I hardly ever hear someone in July or August saying they are heading to Vegas. And I don't think the locals really spend a lot of time on the strip.
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