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Novacek Jan 26, 2021 4:16 PM

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Originally Posted by We vs us (Post 9171077)
Re: the Orange line . . . is there still a sense that they'll focus on building out the central infrastructure first and then add extensions (like the Lamar Transit Center to Tech Ridge leg) later? Or are they going to build out the whole thing at one pop?

That part wasn't funded by Prop A. The orange line extensions (and Gold Line rail) happening any time soon are probably dependent on getting a higher than expected federal share. Certainly the plan is to hit up the Biden administration for as much as possible, especially if there's any recovery/stimulus infrastructure spending. Clark touched on on that at the end of the CapMetro board meeting, they started reaching out to the Biden transition team pre-inauguration.

StoOgE Jan 26, 2021 8:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Novacek (Post 9171100)
That part wasn't funded by Prop A. The orange line extensions (and Gold Line rail) happening any time soon are probably dependent on getting a higher than expected federal share. Certainly the plan is to hit up the Biden administration for as much as possible, especially if there's any recovery/stimulus infrastructure spending. Clark touched on on that at the end of the CapMetro board meeting, they started reaching out to the Biden transition team pre-inauguration.

Infrastructure has been talked up by the Ds for so long at this point I would be shocked if they didn't push something through as part of a stimulus bill in the next 6 months.

electricron Jan 27, 2021 1:30 AM

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Originally Posted by sentinel1588 (Post 9171078)
I know it probably won't happen, but it would be a dream come true if they could extend the underground portion up to UT.

It would be cheaper to just bridge over Guadalupe and run the trains above ground between West Capitol and 45th Street, at which point they could run at grade. It will be more visible above grade than below grade, and it's around 2.5 miles of tunneling expenses to avoid. At 45th Street I would start the transition down heading northbound, and at MLK I would start the transition down heading southbound. 4 lanes of traffic, 2 of which are already bus lanes, does not allow much left over for regular traffic if the trains take the remaining 2 lanes. While buses and trains can share the same lanes, they rarely share the same platforms, and will get in each others ways passing one another in the same lane. Not good at all unless the bus or train has another lane to pull into to get out of the way. But there is no room for that additional lane.
South of MLK the streets are one way pairs, and north of 35th street there are additional lanes available so buses and trains can pass each other at grade.

Of course, tunneling solves the room problem just as well, but at a much higher expense. Tunneling in the highly dense central business districts make far more sense than tunneling in a less dense residential district.

I believe construction costs for the entire route will determine if building above or below grade will be the solution built. If the cash is there, expect a longer subway, if not hope for an elevated guideway. Otherwise, homes and businesses will be lost forever making room so trains and buses can pass each other.

sentinel1588 Jan 30, 2021 6:55 PM

I've been doing some research on above ground systems and I really think this would be the way to go for Austin. If the rail line doesn't have to interact with the cars on the street level it would shorten travel time drastically. You could also build some really cool stations as well.

Mopacs Jan 30, 2021 7:13 PM

Quick question, and apologies if this has been already discussed, but how viable would it be to run the light rail line along one of the streets parallel to Guadalupe through West Campus?

electricron Jan 30, 2021 9:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mopacs (Post 9175310)
Quick question, and apologies if this has been already discussed, but how viable would it be to run the light rail line along one of the streets parallel to Guadalupe through West Campus?

You would obviously wish to use a street that goes all the way through. Forget going through UT and any street east of it. The next street to the west of Guadalupe that goes all the way from MLK to 49th Street is Lamar. If you limit your northward reach to just 29th Street through the West Campus, it is the one way north Rio Grande, one existing through lane, one parking lane, and one two way bike lane, and it is 3 blocks west of Guadalupe. Believe it or not, Guadalupe is the largest street going north to south through the West Campus area - period. So you will most likely have to go over or under it if you do not wish to create a 24 hour traffic jam every day of the week.

ATX2030 Feb 2, 2021 9:41 PM

After delay, construction on new Broadmoor train station in North Austin will begin in spring

https://communityimpact.com/austin/n...gin-in-spring/

Also

"Capital Metro further anticipates beginning construction on its McKalla station on the Red Line in early 2022, Maxfield said. The transit agency is in the early stages of developing a full schedule of build-out for that station, which will be located near Q2 Stadium."

drummer Feb 3, 2021 2:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ATX2030 (Post 9178402)
After delay, construction on new Broadmoor train station in North Austin will begin in spring

https://communityimpact.com/austin/n...gin-in-spring/

Also

"Capital Metro further anticipates beginning construction on its McKalla station on the Red Line in early 2022, Maxfield said. The transit agency is in the early stages of developing a full schedule of build-out for that station, which will be located near Q2 Stadium."

Great news.

ATX2030 Feb 3, 2021 6:47 PM

More Roads to Lead Austin to the Global Stage

Ari Rastegar is a supporter of the $7 billion Proposition A in Austin, Texas. Here's how he thinks the transit project will transform the metro.

https://www.multihousingnews.com/pos...-global-stage/

atxsnail Feb 3, 2021 8:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ATX2030 (Post 9179474)
More Roads to Lead Austin to the Global Stage

Ari Rastegar is a supporter of the $7 billion Proposition A in Austin, Texas. Here's how he thinks the transit project will transform the metro.

https://www.multihousingnews.com/pos...-global-stage/

I'm disappointed that he sounds reasonable and rational. I wanted to dislike him because of his proximity to Nate Paul.

Unrelated, I thought it was odd how long it's expected to take McKalla station to be completed. I just saw they plan on double tracking from Kramer to 183 as part of the project. I guess that's why it will take so long to plan and construct. The actual physical station work is probably trvial in comparison to the track/signal stuff.

ftp://ftp.ci.austin.tx.us/ATD_AULCC/...tion%20Map.pdf

freerover Feb 3, 2021 8:44 PM

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Originally Posted by atxsnail (Post 9179638)
I'm disappointed that he sounds reasonable and rational. I wanted to dislike him because of his proximity to Nate Paul.

Unrelated, I thought it was odd how long it's expected to take McKalla station to be completed. I just saw they plan on double tracking from Kramer to 183 as part of the project. I guess that's why it will take so long to plan and construct. The actual physical station work is probably trvial in comparison to the track/signal stuff.

ftp://ftp.ci.austin.tx.us/ATD_AULCC/...tion%20Map.pdf

That was always part of the plan and one of the reasons Austin FC balked at paying for the "station" since it included so much track work outside of the property.

Novacek Feb 3, 2021 8:45 PM

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Originally Posted by atxsnail (Post 9179638)

Unrelated, I thought it was odd how long it's expected to take McKalla station to be completed. I just saw they plan on double tracking from Kramer to 183 as part of the project. I guess that's why it will take so long to plan and construct. The actual physical station work is probably trvial in comparison to the track/signal stuff.

ftp://ftp.ci.austin.tx.us/ATD_AULCC/...tion%20Map.pdf

Yeah, makes sense that they'd try to do both at once, since they're moving that direction. Possibly being closer to the service yard requires it for operational reasons, though it's only a bit closer.

Interestingly looks like the city is going to get them to do work for the Rundberg extension while they're at it.

H2O Feb 10, 2021 12:39 PM

Cross post from Moody Center thread:

Reconnect Austin's vision for the UT area is on page 24 of their briefing book: https://issuu.com/reconnectaustin/do...b7668973670e66

If you are not familiar with their vision, check out their website: https://reconnectaustin.com/

The next round of public consultation starts February 24th. Get involved!

eskimo33 Feb 10, 2021 5:44 PM

An interesting data point from a recent meeting about the proposed CapMetro Blue Line bridge across Lady Bird Lake. There are concerns that the bride (and associated) train will negatively impact the Congress Ave's Bridge Bat's nocturnal emergence. I.E. based on current modeling, the bats would not clear the train's path over the river. The potential disturbance was equated to, bugs smashed on a car windshield.
Possible solutions that were mentioned, another tunnel, another location for the bridge, or restrictions on when trains might cross the lake.

ILUVSAT Feb 10, 2021 6:11 PM

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Originally Posted by eskimo33 (Post 9186800)
An interesting data point from a recent meeting about the proposed CapMetro Blue Line bridge across Lady Bird Lake. There are concerns that the bride (and associated) train will negatively impact the Congress Ave's Bridge Bat's nocturnal emergence. I.E. based on current modeling, the bats would not clear the train's path over the river. The potential disturbance was equated to, bugs smashed on a car windshield.
Possible solutions that were mentioned, another tunnel, another location for the bridge, or restrictions on when trains might cross the lake.

Wait...are to telling us that bats are dumb enough not to avoid hitting a bridge? What happened to their echo location capabilities? Geez, they do a hell of a job missing trees and shrubs and power lines while foraging at night.

Whoever "modeled" this seems to think bats have trouble flying and require a long runway to take off.

Having said that...I rather liked the tunnel idea vastly more than a new bridge. Unless that bridge is designed by Santiago Calatrava. :)

eskimo33 Feb 10, 2021 6:17 PM

I think it was more along the lines of the train running into the bats.

freerover Feb 10, 2021 6:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ILUVSAT (Post 9186843)
Wait...are to telling us that bats are dumb enough not to avoid hitting a bridge? What happened to their echo location capabilities? Geez, they do a hell of a job missing trees and shrubs and power lines while foraging at night.

Whoever "modeled" this seems to think bats have trouble flying and require a long runway to take off.

Having said that...I rather liked the tunnel idea vastly more than a new bridge. Unless that bridge is designed by Santiago Calatrava. :)

Really??? A bridge that also supports pedestrians would be a welcome addition.

ILUVSAT Feb 10, 2021 6:39 PM

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Originally Posted by freerover (Post 9186871)
Really??? A bridge that also supports pedestrians would be a welcome addition.

Agree. However, I still like the tunnel idea better. Austin will not build a beautiful, architectural gem of a bridge.

ILUVSAT Feb 10, 2021 6:41 PM

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Originally Posted by eskimo33 (Post 9186852)
I think it was more along the lines of the train running into the bats.

Understood. Any way they could alter the timing of trains around dusk?

atxsnail Feb 10, 2021 7:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ILUVSAT (Post 9186896)
Understood. Any way they could alter the timing of trains around dusk?

The bats are famously unpredictable, and sometimes come out hours later than expected. You could reduce the likelihood of major bat impacts by avoiding a certain window of time, but if this is truly a problem I think we'd still have a bunch of dead bats on random days.

I wonder if they could just put up a bat-friendly shield of some kind to encourage them to go over the danger zone. Maybe we end up with some weird tunnel over part of the bridge


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