That made no sense. People here don't go that far? Every time I travel internationally and often nationally I have to connect through LAX or SFO. I'd much rather have a choice rather than no choice at all. Also, the demand for more capacity/runways is driven by economic factors not a group of outliers who want merely want something new for the sake of having something new.

I'm assuming you're a teabagger?


"People here don't go that far."

......


:haha:



Ridership? Yeah, it's not an astronomical number, but it's not low either. It's ranked 28th in the nation. San Diego has about the same amount of passengers as the following airports:

DCA in Washington D.C. with 3 runways.
HNL in Honolulu, HI with 4 runways.
MDW in Chicago, IL with 5 runways.
TPA in Tampa, FL with 3 runways.


There are also numerous airports with less ridership than SAN that have multiple runways, including, but not limited to, the following:
PDX in Portland, OR with 3 runways.
STL in St. Louis, MO with 4 runways.
MCI in Kansas City, MO with 3 runways.
HOU in Houston, TX with 4 runways AND they move around 10 million people per year. San Diego moves almost 18 million.




Please, do some research before making outrageous claims. Oh wait, I guess teabaggers are good at that. If Rush Limbaugh or Sarah Palin didn't say it, it's not true.

This is a joke right?

Derek, kpexpress, hugo? Which one of you jerks made a fake second account to make the opposition look worse? That's so not fair to them...

:derpina:

:haha: I wish I could take credit for that..

Office Tower
 

Was walking down Island last night and saw this notice. When would they start?

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...ps231ec3bf.jpg

13th and Market/G St.
 

They have been leveling buildings (like where the Food Service and Equipment Store was) on 13th between Market and G st. I am assuming to start building that 5 story rental Park and G. Does anyone know if they revamped that building? Last rendering I saw of it, the building looked real plain and boring.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...psa3338569.jpg

Airport
 

Regarding the idea of a brand new airport outside of the population core:

1) Where would the funding come from? I think any additional transportation $ should go towards expanding the Trolley.
2) I imagine losing Miramar to commercial uses would be an economic net loss to SD.
3) North County NIMBYs would never allow flight paths for huge commercial airliners near their neighborhoods.
4) Infrastructure is already in place at SAN. Freeways, bus routes, trolley, coaster are all a stones throw away.
5) Why stay in a DT hotel if the airport is 30-45 minutes away? Business will just move north. You don't think that a competitor city (Cbad perhaps) wouldn't build a convention center?
6) Due to our geographic location, San Diego isn't a hub city and never will be. We won't be a DFW or a DIA nor should we. We are a destination city. A convention city. Why should we move one moneymaker (SAN) as far away as possible from our other huge moneymaker (convention center)?

Like I said before, I don't see Boston neighborhoods suffering at all due to the inner location of Logan. Logan is much larger, but it serves basically all of new england. We don't need this here because we have LA to provide that for us. SD County is pretty small (3 million) and Tijuana has their airport too.

Moving SAN just isn't a realistic dream and with today's economic/political/social situation.

^^Can we end the airport debate already? It's really inconsequential at this point.


Anyways, looks like that office tower in EV is moving forward with design permits. At 252ft in height its not too bad (I was hoping for 300ft). kpexpress care to share a few more tid-bits of information? Also, is anyone else sick of these 5-6 story projects on market? I feel like this is a serious under utilization of land-use on that street. Where are the towers? WHERE ARE THE TOWERS?

Is the Cisterra Office tower going to be at 842 8th street or on Island? It would be great on 8th to revitalize that area, and add some height between the rest of DT and Smart Corner. Island would be cool to add more office to EV.

Also, is this Cisterra tower the same tower that Sempra MIGHT move into? I thought that one was where Cosmo was going?

Based on height and floor count, the Cisterra Office tower should be about the height of these buildings downtown...

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3257/3...9ce1cb98_m.jpg
http://www.apfc.org/_amiRealEstate/5...rp%20small.JPG

Exactly, the south side of Market is mostly towers, and the north side is low rise crap.

I totally agree, I really wish they would keep projects like these in the outskirts of dowtown or around the city by one of the Trolley Stations so it could be Transit Oriented development.

We need much higher density development along that Market Street cooridor

This project is being designed out of the office I work for. It is proposed on the same site that Cosmo tower was proposed (same developer), and will be the new headquarters for Sempra. This project is predicated on Sempra's lease decisions - they are considering a few different options I hear. From what I hear exposure is important to them. At their current location they asked to deviate from the PDO so they could have a larger sign (exposure) so having their logo and tower in every shot panning through the ballpark and broadcasted on a major tv station makes sense. Even if the rent is higher. There's some nice outdoor space at ground level and the fire station, as well as the other two buildings on the site are kept intact. Cool project.

Yeah funny guy, real funny. You like having crowds of people moving here and ruining the quality of life? San Diego WAS a nice place to live until we opened the border and were overrun and have politicians wasting money on things like bullet trains and skyscraper. The city is better off with less people here and all these projects do is encourage more. I'm sure you want a huge airport with flights all over so even MORE freeloaders hop on and come hear.

Not to stereotype, but are you from East County?

Don't like it? Leave, and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. :tup:


Also, *here, not "hear".

Why is this Clive on a 'skyscraper' forum with this tone and view point.

good riddance.

The construction of bullet trains, skyscrapers and airports is to support market demand, not to create it. It's Capitalism 101. These are not things that make people move to a place, quite the opposite, they are being built because people desire to live there, based on other things such as a good job market, good schools, low crime rate, etc.

"Opening the border' hahaha No.

There's no way this account isn't a joke, right? The comments are too far out there to be real, yes? lol

It's not me. I don't have time for that.

Blue Sky updates are out. TERRIBLE.

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...at115544PM.png

Looks like the ground level has had some improvements, but the architecture turned terrible, we lost the fin on the roof, and the differentiation of higher and lower towers. And that dark brick is really bad.

^^ Not the prettiest.

Are these likely to be approved?

not if i can do anything about it

We should probably just fight every project from here on out. We don't want any more freeloaders coming in from the border destroying our quality of life.

I love this quote so much I'm going to post it on facebook!

While his post is poorly written, he has a point on high speed rail, which was not built for "market demand." It is meeting voter demand for construction, not market demand for ridership. Quite dangerous, actually. And then the issue of cost vs. benefit.... The original voter proposal was for 33 billion.....

Good news...construction of Lane Field is scheduled to start in August, as financing is currently being finalized.

This is the first of two buildings for that site. The second is supposed to be taller, and a luxury brand hotel.

Pretty weak in terms of size and wow factor IMO, but this site has been a parking lot for 50 years, and I can't wait to see a shovel in the ground. :worship:


http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/...SD-waterfront/

http://media.utsandiego.com/img/phot...9efbd88a38372c

http://broadcastsandiego.com/wp-cont...ane-field3.jpg

http://www.welcometosandiego.com/wp-...d-1024x764.jpg

I like. I hope the companion tower gets off the ground soon.

Looks like a Steven Holl project, without the drama

Not sure if it's better than the original...

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...erialFinal.jpg

Before Lane field is finished, this Bosa tower should start construction. It's completion date is listed as 2016.

If 880 W Broadway and NBC ever get built, this area would be completely filled in.

Does anyone know if this is the next Bosa tower in line to be built?? :shrug:

http://sandiegocondosin92101.com/new...cific-highway/

http://sandiego.urbdezine.com/files/...endering-1.jpg

http://sandiego.urbdezine.com/files/...endering-3.jpg

^^ I believe this is the priority project for Bosa. Then the one on Kettner, then first and island. He has other land downtown, right?

It's a jewel. This, along with the new county courthouse, and a handful of other projects will add luster to the skyline.

New County Courthouse? You mean that proposed city hall? Can you show the rendering.

And I thought this Bosa Tower was going to be to the South of Electra it shows it being right in front of it on Broadway?? Isn't this one going where office Depot is, I want it to be South of Electra so it will fill in that gap in the skyline when viewed from the west.

This is for the corner of Broadway, not Office Depot. He'll have to be careful not to block Electra too much.

So it's this project, then Kettner & Ash, then First & Island? I'm not sure what land he has left after that. Would be nice to see him add some more height to East Village near the 5/94 Freeways.

Maybe that's what I meant. I thought that a federal courthouse was just winding up and a 22-story county courthouse set to begin ?

What!!! Noooo this is just going to block Electra and not really add to the skyline much.... Damn I this whole time I thought it was for the office depot lot :(

When you are on Harbor Island and in Point Loma I hate that gap just to the South of Electra and I was really hoping to see that filled.

So why can't BOSA build that 500 foot tall vertical farm with condos at First and Island? I think if marketed properly you could attract international buyers that would pay a premium to own a unit in that building. It would obviously be the only one of its kind in the world in a nice downtown near the water with perfect weather. Seriously people from Scandinavia would buy there.

Yeah, I wish someone would build that. It would be iconic. Bosa may actually have the gravitas to pull it off if he wanted to.

I'm not sure where the State Courthouse (the state is dissolving the county courthouses and consolidating them to state courthouses) is at the moment, last I saw it was advancing through design approval...with increasing criticisms as to how much it was going to cost taxpayers.

The federal courthouse is done and open.

Thanks! Wonder if you'll wind up with a toned-down version ?

The bosa tower is going to be offset with Electra, so it won't be right in front of the tower. At least, that was the impression I had when I was looking at the design layout for the new building.

And I think (think) Bosa owns the land under the office depot, so there should be something built there at somepoint.

Who are you kidding? This is San Diego. World class architecture doesn't belong here, that's thinking too big.

We get to settle for this:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...at115544PM.png

:gaah:

No worries. :) And probably. 22 stories to 16 or 12, more than likely.

Between Lane Field, the Cisterra building, B-way & E (more than likely), Blue Sky, and some low-rise projects in Little Italy and East Village, I'd say the next couple years aren't looking so bad for development. 880 W Broadway could even happen.

Just read here that Bosa owns the site just south of Blue Sky.

http://www.ccdc.com/images/stories/Item_4_Blue_Sky.pdf

Also, Is Blue Sky scheduled to start construction in the new few months?

Some nice renderings of Ariel Suites (22 floors?)...currently under construction

http://www.williamjencks.com/ariel-suites/#/

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...26400436_n.jpg

I also hear that 15th and Island is moving forward with their first tower (the mustard one).

I've been following the commercial office market, and I don't think we'll see 880 for a while. Not unless some major player decides to move downtown and needs that much space to fill.

I really like this filler tower. I wonder if they got the permit to put in that neon stripe lighting. They got away with it on Allegro, but I don't know if CCDC would accept another one.

So I went snooping through avrp's website (the architects for ariel suites) and found this:

"7th and Market"

http://www.avrpstudios.com/portfolio...rket/#!gallery[1378]/2/

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...arketbuild.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...ndMarket-1.jpg

I added the arrows so you can get a better idea of the positioning with the building in the corner.

Anyone have info on this?

It better be.

edit: I was talking about 808 W. Broadway being built

There are also some frustrating renderings of projects they've worked on that are never to be. The 17th and G, and One Park Boulevard projects are particularly saddening.