Originally Posted by SDfan (Post 9712075)

Y'all need to do some basic research. Yes, San Diego is the 8th largest city in the country by population, but its media market is...28th. That's >1% of the national market, compared to LA, which is 2nd at nearly 5%.

Don't take my word for it, see from the experts at Neilsen:

https://www.lyonspr.com/latest-nielsen-dma-rankings/

Our metro, by the way, is only 17th in the US with 3.3 million people. If we are being generous and throw in Imperial County we bump up to 3.5 million. That still keeps SD at 17th below Detroit, Minneapolis, and even the Inland Empire.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...eas-in-the-us/

https://worldpopulationreview.com/us...nty-population

I wish folks would spend more time and energy focused on what San Diegans really need. More housing. Better transit and public infrastructure. Lower cost of living. Vanity projects like arenas and stadiums should not, and are not, a priority for San Diegans. Especially with a cash strapped city like SD. Sorry!

However, I will say that if a billionaire or two wants to throw their cash around, fine. But it shouldn't be on our backs. We have too many things we need to address before investing in entertainment that's currently free on TV or a hour+ away in OC and LA.

Originally Posted by ucsbgaucho (Post 9713121)

Agreed, which is why team owners are going to have to find ways to privately finance these construction projects. Cities may agree to do some tax benefits but that happens for all sorts of private corporate investment so that's not a sports-specific practice.

And while I also agree that the number of pro sports teams does not have a big effect on your city overall, I see this huge Midway project spending hundred of millions probably to renovate the Sports Arena but not going that one extra step to make it ready for an NBA or NHL team. Even if that's not the ideal location (and most NBA arenas are not in the most ideal location), at least it shows a commitment to the leagues that the city is ready for a team whenever that team is available. Get a team in here and THEN do a search for the ideal location to build a new arena. Clippers shared Staples Center for a LONG time and are now building their own state-of-the-art arena next to SoFi Stadium.

Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9714384)

San Diego now has a Roman Catholic Cardinal, the only one on the west coast. Even L.A. and S.F. don't currently have cardinals, just archbishops. Now why can't we get a basketball team?

Originally Posted by Streamliner (Post 9714615)

San Diego's Bishop was picked as Cardinal because of internal church politics not because of SD's status as a major metro. It sounds odd, but supposedly SF and LA's bishops were a bit too conservative for the more progressive Pope Francis.

Originally Posted by roletand (Post 9709342)

I haven't seen those renders before, but really like them! The odd part about this project is it occupies 1/4 of the block SANDAG is trying to acquire to build out a downtown bus layover facility. The plan is to build a permanent facility for the busses to park and drivers to take breaks, removing the busses and porta-potties from A street.

SANDAG also mentioned building their new headquarters above the bus layover facility, potentially leasing extra office space to commercial tenants. I'm not sure what the status of the project is beyond what's listed here. https://www.sandag.org/index.asp?cla...rojects.detail

Originally Posted by Will O' Wisp (Post 9709411)

Ah, this one I have a little bit of second-hand knowledge of. SANDAG is being deliberately obscure in its wording on this web page.

As they say, two of the landowners have agreed to be bought out by SANDAG. But the third is some sort of group of lawyers, and they do not want to sell. Apparently they want to build an HQ of their own? Something of that nature, in any case they want an outrageous sum of money to sell.

Now in normal circumstances all one would need to do is break out the eminent domain proceedings, and indeed SANDAG is already moving in that direction. The issue here is that, as has been so well established in this thread before, SANDAG is flat broke. The only way they could pay for their fancy new office tower (with a bus depot in the basement) is a public-private partnership.

All well and good, but the CA state constitution prohibits the use of eminent domain if the property will then be conveyed to a private entity. Does a public-private partnership fall afoul of that? No way of knowing, it's a grey area in the law. But you can bet your britches that this gaggle of lawyers is going to drag SANDAG into court to find out.

So at the moment SANDAG and these lawyers are in a bit of a cold war, neither really wanting to test this out in trial, so they try and negotiate. Or at least that's where they were last I heard, this may be the legal group deciding to push ahead regardless of what SANDAG wants.

Originally Posted by SDfan (Post 9712075)

Y'all need to do some basic research. Yes, San Diego is the 8th largest city in the country by population, but its media market is...28th. That's >1% of the national market, compared to LA, which is 2nd at nearly 5%.

Don't take my word for it, see from the experts at Neilsen:

https://www.lyonspr.com/latest-nielsen-dma-rankings/

Our metro, by the way, is only 17th in the US with 3.3 million people. If we are being generous and throw in Imperial County we bump up to 3.5 million. That still keeps SD at 17th below Detroit, Minneapolis, and even the Inland Empire.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...eas-in-the-us/

https://worldpopulationreview.com/us...nty-population

Originally Posted by sandiego_urban (Post 9716108)

Seems like a terrible place to park buses, doesn't it? This prime location deserves something much better. Maybe they can put it closer to the airport runway where it would be a better fit.

Originally Posted by sandiego_urban (Post 9716137)

Here's a current list of Downtown projects and their statuses from The City of San Diego. I think most projects listed have been mentioned here but it's a great cheatsheet.

https://www.sandiego.gov/sites/defau...s-log-2022.pdf

Originally Posted by Xavier Cage (Post 9716171)

I just want to point out that being the 28th Media Market does not make San Diego a small market overall. Its only on the smaller side when compared to 30+ team pro leagues. Despite being 28th, there are smaller media markets with multiple major league sports teams.

San Diego is 2 team market that only has 1 team. It was mentioned earlier but it should be repeated... The Phoenix Coyotes of the NHL are right there for the taking. They are going to playing their home games in a 5,000 seat college arena. They are trying to get an arena built in Tempe but there is no agreement yet and it is not a sure thing. A brand new 16,000 seat arena in San Diego might start to look pretty tempting to them.

Originally Posted by JSW (Post 9716628)

You know after looking at this list, I didn't realize the California Theatre condo development was actually approved. I know the developer recently pulled out, but the curious thing is I noticed last week some equipment showed up on site and some areas on the block are flagged off with demo company banners on site as well... Are they demolishing it? Is someone on board to move it forward, or are they turning it into an empty lot that will sit for another decade?

Originally Posted by JSW (Post 9716628)

You know after looking at this list, I didn't realize the California Theatre condo development was actually approved. I know the developer recently pulled out, but the curious thing is I noticed last week some equipment showed up on site and some areas on the block are flagged off with demo company banners on site as well... Are they demolishing it? Is someone on board to move it forward, or are they turning it into an empty lot that will sit for another decade?

Originally Posted by sixonenine (Post 9716883)

I don't have specific details about exactly what kind of structures will be built at the old Nordstrom building in UTC. But I work there and from word of mouth I believe it will become an entire designer wing. With from what I heard confirmed Gucci, Chanel, David Yurman and moving the Louis Vuitton into a bigger store. Hopefully we get different brands we don't have in SD like Balenciaga or Givenchy.

Also, did anybody watch the Louis Vuitton cruise 2023 show at the Salk Institute? It was amazing and cool to watch Architecture and Fashion come together. SD really needs more exiting shows like that.

Originally Posted by roletand (Post 9717525)

San Diego will investigate California Theatre owner as it seeks building’s demolition