Largest cities of the European Union by population within city limits
 

According to Wikipedia:

City and country Population Date of census/estimate
1. London, UK 7,517,700 June 30, 2005 (official)
2. Berlin, Germany 3,399,511 June 30, 2006 (official)
3. Madrid, Spain 3,128,600 January 1, 2006 (official)
4. Rome, Italy 2,545,243 March 31, 2006 (official)
5. Paris, France 2,153,600 January 1, 2005 (official)
6. Bucharest, Romania 1,924,959 July 1, 2005 (official)
7. Hamburg, Germany 1,751,656 August 30, 2006 (official)
8. Warsaw, Poland 1,700,536 June 30, 2006 (official)
9. Budapest, Hungary 1,698,106 January 1, 2006 (official)
10. Vienna, Austria 1,660,534 October 1, 2006 (official)
11. Barcelona, Spain 1,605,602 January 1, 2006 (official)
12. Munich, Germany 1,325,697 November 30, 2006 (official)
13. Milan, Italy 1,305,808 March 31, 2006 (official)
14.Sofia, Bulgaria 1,246,791 September 15, 2006 (official)
15. Prague, Czech Rep. 1,186,618 September 30, 2006 (official)
16. Birmingham, UK 1,001,200 June 30, 2005 (official)
17. Cologne, Germany 986,168 June 30, 2006 (official)
18. Naples, Italy 981,353 March 31, 2006 (official)
19. Turin, Italy 898,979 March 31, 2006 (official)
20. Marseille, France 820,900 January 1, 2005 (official)
21. Valencia, Spain 805,304 January 1, 2006 (official)
22. Stockholm, Sweden 780,817 September 30, 2006 (official)
23. Łódź, Poland 767,628 December 31, 2005 (official)
24. Kraków, Poland 756,629 December 31, 2005 (official)
25. Athens, Greece 745,514 March 18, 2001 (official)
26. Amsterdam, Netherlands 743,393 December 31, 2005 (official)
27. Riga, Latvia 727,578 January 1, 2006 (official)
28. Sevilla, Spain 704,414 January 1, 2006 (official)
29. Palermo, Italy 668,843 March 31, 2006 (official)
30. Frankfurt, Germany 659,928 September 30, 2006 (official)
31. Zaragoza, Spain 649,181 January 1, 2006 (official)
32. Wrocław, Poland 635,932 December 31, 2005 (official)
33. Genoa, Italy 618,438 March 31, 2006 (official)
34. Stuttgart, Germany 591,528 April 30, 2006 (official)
35. Rotterdam, Netherlands 588,500 December 31, 2005 (official)
36. Dortmund, Germany 587,717 June 30, 2006 (official)
37. Essen, Germany 583,892 June 30, 2006 (official)
38. Glasgow, UK 578,790 June 30, 2005 (official)
39. Düsseldorf, Germany 575,727 June 30, 2006 (official)
40. Poznań, Poland 567,882 December 31, 2005 (official)
41. Helsinki, Finland 560,905 December 31, 2005 (official)
42. Málaga, Spain 560,631 January 1, 2006 (official)
43. Vilnius, Lithuania 553,553 January 1, 2006 (official)
44. Bremen, Germany 546,852 December 31, 2005 (official)
45. Lisbon, Portugal 529,485 2004 (official)
46. Sheffield, UK 520,700 June 30, 2005 (official)
47. Hannover, Germany 515,559 June 30, 2006 (official)
48. Dublin, Ireland 505,739 April 23, 2006 (official)
49. Leipzig, Germany 505,069 June 30, 2006 (official)
50. Copenhagen, Denmark 501,158 January 1, 2006 (official)
51. Duisburg, Germany 500,142 June 30, 2006 (official)
52. Dresden, Germany 500,068 June 30, 2006 (official)
53. Nuremberg, Germany 499,222 August 31, 2006 (official)
54. Gothenburg, Sweden 489,425 September 30, 2006 (official)
55. The Hague, Netherlands 475,197 December 31, 2005 (official)
56. Lyon, France 466,400 January 1, 2005 (official)
57. Antwerp, Belgium 461,496 January 1, 2006 (official)
58. Gdańsk, Poland 458,053 December 31, 2005 (official)
59. Edinburgh, UK 457,830 June 30, 2005 (official)
60. Liverpool, UK 447,500 June 30, 2005 (official)
61. Leeds, UK 443,247 June 30, 2005 (official)
62. Manchester, UK 441,200 June 30, 2005 (official)
63. Toulouse, France 435,000 January 1, 2005 (official)
64. Bratislava, Slovakia 425,459 December 31, 2005 (official)
65. Murcia, Spain 416,996 January 1, 2006 (official)
66. Szczecin, Poland 411,119 December 31, 2005 (official)
67. Bristol, UK 398,300 June 30, 2005 (official)
68. Tallinn, Estonia 396,193 January 1, 2006 (official)
69. Bochum, Germany 384,492 June 30, 2006 (official)
70. Las Palmas, Spain 377,056 January 1, 2006 (official)
71. Palma de Mallorca, Spain 375,048 January 1, 2006 (official)
72. Bologna, Italy 374,142 March 31, 2006 (official)
73. Florence, Italy 367,268 March 31, 2006 (official)
74. Brno, Czech Republic 366,757 June 30, 2006 (official)
75. Bydgoszcz, Poland 366,074 December 31, 2005 (official)
76. Thessaloniki, Greece 363,987 March 18, 2001 (official)
77. Kaunas, Lithuania 360,637 January 1, 2006 (official)
78. Wuppertal, Germany 358,746 June 30, 2006 (official)
79. Lublin, Poland 354,967 December 31, 2005 (official)
80. Bilbao, Spain 354,145 January 1, 2005 (official)
81. Nice, France 347,900 January 1, 2005 (official)
82. Plovdiv, Bulgaria 341,873 December 31, 2005 (official)
83. Bari, Italy 326,333 March 31, 2006 (official)
84. Bielefeld, Germany 326,268 June 30, 2006 (official)
85. Córdoba, Spain 322,867 January 1, 2006 (official)
86. Alicante, Spain 322,431 January 1, 2006 (official)
87. Valladolid, Spain 319,943 January 1, 2006 (official)
88. Cardiff, UK 319,700 June 30, 2005 (official)
89. Iaşi, Romania 317,812 July 1, 2004 (official)
90. Katowice, Poland 317,220 December 31, 2005 (official)
91. Bonn, Germany 312,996 June 30, 2006 (official)
92. Varna, Bulgaria 311,796 December 31, 2005 (official)
93. Ostrava, Czech Republic 310,078 June 30, 2006 (official)
94. Mannheim, Germany 307,772 June 30, 2006 (official)
95. Constanţa, Romania 307,447 July 1, 2004 (official)
96. Timişoara, Romania 307,265 July 1, 2004 (official)
97. Coventry, UK 304,200 June 30, 2005 (official)
98. Catania, Italy 303,785 March 31, 2006 (official)
99. Vila Nova de Gaia, Portugal 300,868 2004 (official)
100. Galaţi, Romania 298,941 July 1, 2004 (official)


Other notable cities

* Since this table covers only the European Union, cities in non-member countries are omitted, such as Moscow, Oslo, Reykjavík, Bern and Zürich.
* Brussels – the capital city of Belgium and unofficially referred to as the capital of the European Union is nowhere near the top 100 list, as the relatively small municipality has a total population of only 141,312 (Census estimate 2004). The greater Brussels-Capital Region has a population of over 1 million.
* Århus, Denmark - the city with 296,368 inhabitants is growing by about 2,500 inhabihants every year and will soon enter the Top 100.
* Bordeaux, France – the city in Aquitaine is not on the list because most people in the Bordeaux Metropolitan Area live in the suburbs, outside of the city limits. Population within the city proper: 230,600 (January 1, 2005).
* Ljubljana – the Slovenian capital has a total population of 258,873 and its population is currently declining.
* Luxembourg - the capital city of Luxembourg has a total population of 77,325 (Census Estimate 2004).
* Nantes, France – the city in Brittany is not on the list because most people in the Nantes Metropolitan Area live in the suburbs, outside of the city limits. Population within the city proper: 281,800 (January 1, 2005).
* Nicosia – the capital of Cyprus has a population of 47,832 (Census 2001). It is the third largest municipality in Cyprus.
* Lille, France – the city in French Flanders is not on the list because most people in the Lille Metropolitan Area live in the suburbs, outside of the city limits. Population within the city proper: 225,100 (January 1, 2005).
* Nottingham, United Kingdom, 273,863 (2003 est.) – the famous English city lost over 20,000 of its inhabitants between 1991 and 2001, owing mostly to migration from the inner city to suburbs outside the city limits.
* Porto, Portugal - 263,131 (2001 est.) - the second city in Portugal. One of the biggest metropolitan areas on the European Atlantic coast. Plans of an union with Vila Nova de Gaia could mean the formation of a city with 400,000 inhabitants.
* Strasbourg, France – another important city in terms of the European Union is just short of the list, with a population of 264,115 as of 1999, but the January 1, 2005 estimate suggests that it is now closer with a population of 272,700.
* Valletta, Malta – the capital city has a total population of only 7,199 (Census Estimate 2001). The largest city in Malta is Birkirkara, with a population just under 25,000.
* Venice, Italy – the famous Italian city was constantly losing population for over 20 years until 2003 when the influx of immigrant population gave Venice a net gain of 3417 citizens in comparison to 2002. The city may be back in the top 100 soon. Its current population is 271,663 (Census Estimate 2004-01-01).
* Cork, Ireland - the second city of the republic of Ireland with a population of roughly 186,000. The Cork City limits are very restrictive.The Greater Cork area is currently 370,000 and predicted to grow to 450,000 by 2020.
* Almere, Netherlands - did not have a population until 1976, has a pop. of 176,000 in 2006 and is forecast to have a pop. of 214,000 by 2010.

Cities likely to enter the top 100 in the near future

* L'Hospitalet de Llobregat, Spain - Barcelona suburb. The EU's biggest suburb currently has a total population of 250,536 and growing. The Catalan city is likely to enter the top 100 within five years.
* Santa Cruz de Tenerife, Spain - this city in the Canary Islands had a net gain of population of over 7,000 people between 2001 and 2005 according to Spanish Census estimates. This gain is due to a large influx of population from other EU countries. As of 2005 the city had a total population of 221,567 and with such growth the city is likely to crack the top 100 within the next decade.
* Münster, Germany - the city where the Peace of Wesphalia was signed is currently 101st largest in the EU and its population keeps on growing.
* Utrecht, the Netherlands. Utrecht has a population of 276,000 at this moment and is about to get a new area Leidsche Rijn, in which around 80,000 people can live.
* Sunderland a metropolitian borough, United Kingdom, an upcoming city in the United Kingdom which is slowly increasing in trade with the European Union with its newly built business park, it has an estimated population of 285,000, which is increasing quickly after a short decline.

Cities likely to lose their top 100 status in the future

* Bari and Catania, Italy - massive population losses for all Italian cities are especially large in the cities of southern part of Italy like these two.
* Belfast, United Kingdom - contrary to popular perceptions, Northern Ireland's migration rate has shown a net increase since 1995 - but this is countered by population movement from Belfast into the suburbs outside the city boundary. However, the planned reorganization of local government boundaries in Northern Ireland in 2009 should see the city limits extended and take the population back above 300,000, and back into the top 100.
* Wuppertal, Germany as other industrial cities in the Ruhr area has had a declining population for many years, and looking at the current demographic tendency it is all but certain that some of them will disappear from the top 100 list in the farer future as did another Ruhr area city Gelsenkirchen which was included in the top 100 until 2004.
* Katowice, Poland - this industrial city is losing its population quickly. In three years the city is unlikely to figure among the 100 largest EU cities.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest...in_city_limits

Shows how far City Limits usually is from the size of the Metro Areas and even the size of the Urban Areas. Not that it's not interesting as there are dis/advantages to having vast municipalities. I know there are two cities that could have been annexed into Stockholm at one point, and those 2 today have a combined population somewhere around 100k iirc. But that's not all that would have been changed - school districts, fire department set-up, urban planning and the big one: who would have been voted into City Hall (affects everything).
Stockholm City: 782 344 (2006.11.01)
Stockohlm UA: 1 252 020 (2005.12.31)
Stockholm Metro: 1 872 900 (2005.01.01)

Grumpy, thanks for this little list. :)
I've found though funny figures which put things in perspective. :cheers:

- If London would be 105 km² (size of Paris), it would have a population of 1,233,200 inhabitants.
- If Paris would be 1,579 km² (size of London), it would have a population of 9,237,900 inhabitants.

These figures are not estimates. Actually, they simply represent the populations of respectively the central 105 km² of the London urban area and the central 1,579 km² of the Paris urban area.

By the way, I thought the status of the "Bruxelles-Capitale" region was very similar to the one of the Greater London. Why Bruxelles-Capitale doesn't appear in the list ?? :shrug:

As far as I know, Brussels capital represent more than 1 million people over 164 km².
I would like to know why on this table Brussels is only considered as the small "City of Brussels" (and not as Brussels capital), while London is considered as the large "Greater London" (and not the City of London). As far as I know, their status are similar.

The "Greater London" boundary is the official London city limit. The 'City of London' acts as one of the 32 boroughs of London.

The density figures you posted would probably be correct, as a large proportion of London is green-space.

He he.. gotta love the useless city numbers which in fact is just a broken comparison of large municipals...


... In Copenhagen's case we have a "city" inside the Copenhagen municipal city borders called Frederiksberg with 90.000+ people giving us a real spot at 34... but ocause if you look at single municipals only you'll get wierd numbers like that - funny enough they didn't do that with stuff like the City of London which actually have a population of only 9,200
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London

And let's forget all about the metro population despite it being an unbroken urban area... ( add another mil+ to Copenhagen )


Sorry to bitch like that, but the numbers are so far from the real city sizes... and municipal sizes varies greatly in different countries... to put it into perspective to you Yanks it would be like taking the population of Downtown LA and writing that figue for the entire city ( 3,957,875 ) fair or realistic - I think not!

Well, I think Greater London has a government body doesn't it? It would act like a city itself, even though it is made up of cities? While Brussels is still independent cities. The two countries could also have different ways of defining urban areas. There is a similar difference between Canada and the US, which gives them a large number of municipalities, whereas Canada is more keen on amalgamation and would make large conurbations one unit instead of the 10-100 like they are in America.

It's the definition.

City limit population is meaningless - especially in Europe. Metro population is the true measure of a city's size.

Urban area is better.

This list is more interesting:


Urban areas of the European Union above 750,000 inhabitants

Rank Urban Area Population (2005 est.) Change p.a. (1990s avg.)

1 Paris, France 10 136 000 0.21%
2 London, United Kingdom 8 505 000 0.68%
3 Madrid, Spain[1] 5 561 748 0.32%
4 Ruhr area, Germany 5.317.565 – 0.14%
5 Barcelona, Spain[2] 5 082 126 0.95%
6 Milan, Italy 4 282 000 0.00%
7 Berlin, Germany 3 675 000
8 Upper Silesian Metropolitan Area, Poland 3 487 000 – 0.95%
9 Rotterdam-The Hague, Netherlands 3 345 000 0.50%
10 Athens, Greece 3 247 000 0.37%
11 Naples, Italy 2 905 000 0.00%
12 Lisbon, Portugal 2 760 000 0.27%
13 Rome, Italy 2 628 000 – 0.85%
14 Cologne-Bonn, Germany 2 475 000 0.63%
15 South Ruhr-Düsseldorf-Wuppertal, Germany 2 382 000 0.14%
16 Bucharest, Romania 2 300 000 0.16%
17 Hamburg, Germany 2 293 000 0.54%
18 Birmingham-Wolverhampton (West Midlands), United Kingdom 2 275 000 – 0.10%
19 Greater Manchester, United Kingdom 2 237 000 – 0.09%
20 Budapest, Hungary 2 228 000 – 0.60%
21 Vienna, Austria 2,165,357 0.25%
22 Warsaw, Poland 2 069 000 0.01%
23 Brussels, Belgium 1 975 000 0.52%
24 Porto, Portugal 1 801 000 0.71%
25 Glasgow, United Kingdom 1,749,154 – 0.26%
26 Munich, Germany 1 656 000 0.20%
27 Leeds-Bradford (Leeds-Bradford) (West Yorkshire), United Kingdom 1 520 000 0.35%
28 Frankfurt, Germany 1 489 000 0.29%
29 Lyon, France 1 465 000 0.46%
30 Copenhagen, Denmark 1 417 000 0.39%
31 Sofia, Bulgaria 1,377,761
32 Marseille, France 1 374 000 0.29%
32 Lille-Kortrijk, France & Belgium 1 368 000 [3] 0.19%
34 Valencia, Spain 1 362 000 0.10%
35 Stockholm, Sweden 1 273 000 1.08%
36 Stuttgart, Germany 1 239 000 0.30%
37 Amsterdam, Netherlands 1 196 000 0.64%
38 Bielefeld, Germany 1 184 000 0.65%
39 Turin, Italy 1 182 000 – 0.95%
40 Prague, Czech Republic 1 161 000 – 0.36%
41 Liverpool-Birkenhead (Merseyside), United Kingdom 1 119 000 – 0.34%
42 Helsinki, Finland 1 104 000 1.46%
43 Antwerp, Belgium 1 094 000 0.27%
44 Seville, Spain 1 072 000 0.56%
45 Newcastle-Sunderland (Tyne and Wear), United Kingdom 1 056 000 – 0.16%
46 Trójmiasto (Tricity), Gdansk-Sopot-Gdynia, Poland 1 041 066 [4] 0.05%
47 Dublin, Republic of Ireland 1 032 000 0.89%
48 Łódź, Poland 972 000 – 0.59%
49 Bilbao, Spain 919 000 – 0.35%
50 Nice, France 912 000 0.42%
51 Mannheim, Germany 907 000 0.29%
52 Riga, Latvia 893 000 – 1.36%
53 Florence, Italy 874 000 – 0.54%
54 Malaga, Spain 865 000
55 Toulouse, France 863 000 1.47%
56 Bremen, Germany 861 000 0.27%
57 Thessaloniki, Greece 828 000 0.67%
58 Bordeaux, France 811 000 0.63%
59 Genoa, Italy 803 000 – 1.01%
60 Braga, Portugal 798 137 1.27%
61 Cracow, Poland 794 000 0.37%
62 Hannover, Germany 768 000 0.25%
63 Nuremberg, Germany 765 000 0.24%


EFTA countries

Two European Free Trade Association countries have urban areas that would be included in the list if they were EU member states.

Rank Urban Area Population Annual change (1990s)
1 (47) Zürich, Switzerland 1 011 000 0.19%
2 (58) Oslo, Norway 810 000 1.09%


Five fastest growing urban areas of the European Union

Rank Urban Area Annual change (1990s)
1 Toulouse, France 1.47%
2 Helsinki, Finland 1.46%
3 Braga, Portugal 1.27%
4 Stockholm, Sweden 1.08%
5 Dublin, Republic of Ireland 0.89%


Five fastest declining urban areas of the European Union

Rank Urban Area Annual change (1990s)
1 Riga, Latvia – 1.36%
2 Genoa, Italy – 1.01%
3 Katowice, Poland – 0.95%
3 Turin, Italy – 0.95%
5 Rome, Italy – 0.85%

LOL that's just because you're desperate to prove that Paris is in the same league as London and urban area is the only possible measure that could put Paris ahead. However even that's open to dispute: ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4.../reglondon.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...n/regparis.gif

Those figures are not about density. They are about actual population.

- If you take the central 105 km² of London urban area, the population is indeed 1,233,200 inhabitants.
- If you take the central 1,579 km² of the Paris urban area, the population is indeed 9,237,900 inhabitants.

Here's a graph showing the population of 5 cities according to their land area. We start with the population of the central 50 km² and we continue this way untill 1,500 km². And here's what we got:

http://grandparis.free.fr/population-area.jpg

^ What does that prove? That Paris is denser? Yes Paris is more densely populated. But London is bigger. ;)

Actually, the Paris urban area is more populous and wider than the London urban area. The Paris urban area represented 10.1 million people in 2005 for 2,700 km² while the London urban area represented 8.5 million people for 1,600 km².

Actually,there's only one thing which is more populated in London than in Paris. It is the surrounding countryside.

^ I already showed you maps disputing your urban population figure and also your claim that Paris's urban area covers a larger area (it clearly doesn't). You Parisians are just loathe to admit that London is bigger. ;)

Oh sorry, I didn't realize you were a kid. I'm sorry about having bothered you with figures then.

Oh God, not this argument AGAIN. :rolleyes:

Who honestly cares?

Life's too short.

^^Aparently Mercutio (also known as Monkey on another forum) does care. Life is too short indeed.

Man, it's just like an Edmonton-Calgary duel!

Edmonton has more suburbs but Calgary still has more people!

Much better list thanks! :)

While the actual urban areas can be debated ( especially how far the distance between houses can max be and stuff like that ) this is no doubt much closer to the real numbers and size...

Guys, cut the London vs Paris crap!

Even Calgary and Edmonton are a good example of that. Calgary is based on a Unicity concept which means that once the city limits reach a hamlet, village, town, etc. the municipality loses it's municipal status and is annexed by the city no and, if, or buts about it. Edmonton on the other hand has a Metropolitan concept where municipalities that are swallowed by the city can still retain their status as a self-governing municipality. By Alberta Provincial Standards London would be a Unicity while Paris would be a metropolitan.

I think it would be fair to say that London and Paris are approximately the same size....about 10 to 11 million in their metro areas. By metro area I mean Ille de France for Paris and London and its green belt. I never get the impression that one has the edge over the other....although London does seem more sprawley (if that's a word) and Paris more dense and compact.There is never going to be a perfect comparison so you should all stop trying to fight about it.

I was interested in a confrontation with Milan sprawl and I scaled it by my self: that's the result

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2...nsprawloh9.gif

Here the original map

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4...lanovx1tg8.jpg

Sorry for asking in this London & Paris issue but I would like to know the current situation in both cities according to their administrative limits.
I know Paris has several small cities in several departments with mayors but how is London ?

The number for Paris is wrong Paris urban area has more than 10 million inhabitant according 2005 census.

A big part of London urban area is located in Greater London, the city is governed by the mayor of London and divised in boroughs (like arrondissements) London has two independant boroughs Westminster and the City of London.
London absorbed this suburbs in 1968 but Paris divised this suburbs in severale departments (Before 1962 Paris and inner suburbs was the department of Seine now divised in three departments)

I see this central london/central paris arguament cropping up all the time, central london is made up of the city of london, where about 12,000 people live and the city of westminster, which is the west end. neither of which are residential areas of any sort as a house on the west end would cost +5,000,000 and a house in the city of london just doesnt exist. Im not sure what the set up for central paris is but it seems to be much more residential then london.

Also when you consider the wider populations of the two cities, London has a green belt which prevents urban sprawl. This meant that urban growth had to to take place outside of the green belt area and no longer comes under the london "urban area" even tho most of the people commute into london and do their shopping in london. if you look at the metro area and consider the hundreds of satellite towns and dormatory towns londons met populations is around 13 million.

ps. does paris have a green belt system?

^^
Interesting this municipality size comparison

I thought Berlin Lander was bigger than Hamburg one

edit

^^Berlin is bigger than Hamburg and Madrid so this map is a fake

Eh... you do realize that the maps (which I have every confidence are acurate) are of administrative borders and not Urban Area nor Metro-areas?

^^
Infact I was talkin about amministrative borders size in my previous post

I know, and I'm sure, Berlin Lander is 880 skm; but I thought Hamburg one was 600 skm or something... was I wrong?

Indeed, Berlin is in area larger than Hamburg:

The surface of the (city)state Berlin is 891.82 km² (1) with a population of 3.402.312 and a density of 3.815/km². The population of Berlins urban area is 3,675,000, but i don't know the surface area.
The surface of Berlin metropolitan area is 5.370 km² (2) with a population of 4.262.480.

The surface of the state of Hamburg is 755,264 km² (3) with a population of 1.750.194 and a density of 2317 Einwohner / km².


These are the metropolitan areas of Germany, number 1 on the map is Berlin metro and number 4 is Hamburg. The metropolitan area of Hamburg is much bigger, and has a population of 4.266.000. But most of that has a low density.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...olregionen.png

Hmmm, I made the Berlin and Hamburg maps awhile ago but you are right. Berlin should be bigger.
These are all hand made so it is possible there might have been an error when I calculated Berlin. Or perhaps the base map I used had the wrong scale.
I'll look in to it.

However..., these maps (I've made hundreds of them, also urban area ones etc) are not "fake". What it is is one mistake out of 100s now discovered...

Indeed, according to Wikipedia, Berlin represents 892 km², whereas Hamburg represents 755 km².

Did you make it Shiro?

Can you add, please, Rome which is an interesting 'case': municipality of 1285 skm and just 2.6 mio inhabitants

http://www.urbanistica.comune.roma.i...a_municipi.jpg

That's a kick ass map, and I have been looking for a Rome map for a long time!

But without a scale on it it is very hard and the margin for error gets quite large. I still can do it, but there need to be two clear reference points in a straight line on it and another map with those same reference points and a scale.
So if you can find me a map with scale of Rome (and Milan, Turin, Naples and any other city you can think of...;)), it would be greatly appreciated!

Oh and I did make all those maps myself and I have lots more, so if anyone wants to see a specific city let me know (I posted all the European ones I currently have though, I do have a lot of European urban area maps).

I corrected the Berlin map and I added Vienna which I had ready.

http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/5...ocitieskk1.png

^ if you can find the time and room I think Copenhagen would fit right in - it's pretty sprawly and have the same population as most of the cities already on themap :)

Do you have a map? (with scale)

Believe me I've looked but couldn't find one.
CPH should be interesting with a "hole" in it for Frederiksberg, just like some American cities.

Los Angeles
http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/2...angelesbm2.png

Houston
http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/3...houstonzm8.png

Detroit
http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/9...detroitpq9.png

Thanks SHIRO

With this comparaison you can see why Paris should absorb it inner suburbs.
Paris the second most populated urban area in europe (First in U.E)
but within city limit Paris is the 5th city of E.U and it is the smallest big city in size. (Only 87 km2) :(

With inner suburbs Paris will become the second most populated city in E.U (third in Europe). It will not become the largest in size (always smaller than London Moscow Rome or Berlin about the size of Hambourg :yes: ). :D

Not really, but what about programs like Google Earth or Local Live???

This pic gives a pretty good idea about it's size although much of the suburbs blends into the green nature..

http://i19.tinypic.com/4c0isd1.jpg

If you can be more specific about your needs I might be able to help... :)


Howcome a hole?

Copenhagen is made up of many municipals - each with it's own city hall.. so if you take out the small municipal of Frederiksberg you might as well leave out all the suburbs and just use the downtown ( "Copenhagen City" ) area that is "Copenhagen Municipal" ( pop 502.000 )... it would however be FAR from the real urban area!

At January 1st there was a lot of changes in the structure here in Denmark - we stopped using counties and switzed to regions instead... many municipals was also joined...

Copenhagen City that used to be seperat along with Frederiksberg from Copenhagen county is now all joined into one metro-county-like system called: "Region Hovedstaden" ("The Capital Region" )

The region is made up by 29 municipals ( 1 being the island of Bornholm, the rest is a great part of the Copenhagen metro and some of Northern Zealand )

The regions...
http://www.nibe.com/pejseovne/bilder/karta_dk.gif

As you can see the Copenhagen Metro have been cut in two and parts like Køge and Roskilde is now in the "Region Sjælland" ( "The Zealand Region" )

It's ridicules imo - but was aperently done to keep the economy equal as these new Regions are in change of the hospitals and other service like that - and while the rest of Zealand is far from poor it's no match for the "C-Dot" :)

Anyway political lines aside the metro is fairly big due to the love of sprawl that dominated from the 60s to the late 80s ( and to some degree continues even to this day... )

What excactly goes into the Metro is despurtable as we have several ways of messuring it ( municipals, urban area, economic influence and what not.. )

My own view of it is pretty much the same as Emporis's so instead of writing it - I'll just quote them:

However like every other large city we do ofcause draw people in from outside of the metro area... here's a map of that:

( colour = % of population working within the yellow lines )

http://i19.tinypic.com/49j262b.jpg

Notice that Sweden is not illustrated in the map - around 12.000 cars and 20.000 train passengers cross the Øresunds Bridge daily - so we do also get a fair share from that side... ( many Danes reside there as both houses and cars are cheaper and the driving time to Downtown CPH is shorter than from some of the Danish suburbs.. )

Well - enough from me about Copenhagen... it should give you good folks an idea... :)

It is crazy that Brussels, that is the capital of EU, is not on the list. I know that there is another way to count Brussels city population, so the city actually have 700 000 inhabitants.

Brussel city has some 144.784 inhabitants but the city is a part of 19 other communities who is known as Brussels aswell aka "Brussel Gewest" , on the other hand the urban area of Brussels is very spread out over 3 different regions.
A rather confusing situation as anything else in Belgium :rolleyes:

A map with the 19 communities (Brussel City is nr.2) : surface 161,38 km² & inhabitants 1.018.804 (01/01/2006)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...tGemeenten.png

Brussel city: surface 32,61 km² & 144.784 (01/01/2006)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...selLocatie.png

Demographic evolution:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...99f1893a30.png

Location of Brussels in Belgium:

http://www.ilotsacre.be/images/mapbelgiumign.JPG

Map from 1745 of the city of Brussels before the annexations that occured centuries later, this area is also known as the "Vijfhoek" which means "5 corners"

http://www.ilotsacre.be/images/CBleRouge1745.jpg

On this map the location of the "Vijfhoek" can be located where "Bruxelles 1000 Brussel" is written down:

http://www.ilotsacre.be/images/Plan19Communes.jpg

Brussels Capital Region = Brussels in the same way Greater London = London.
By all practical purposes Brussels has 1 million inhabitants in the city proper.

I agree with Shiro on this. If Greater London is treated as a city proper, then Brussels Capital should be treated as a city proper too. The communes inside Brussels Capital are more like arrondissements or boroughs, and not really cities. With 1,018,029 inhabitants in 2006, Brussels ranks 16 in our list of city propers.

All 19 communities in Brussels have their own mayor , is this the same case in London ?

Yes, all the London boroughs have their own mayors. The odd one out is the City of London (note City of, not London as a whole) which has a Lord Mayor.

To be really technical, London is made up of 31/32 boroughs, the City of London and the City of Westminster. The City of London tends to do its own thing, but works with the other boroughs and London as a whole.

To complicate matters further, there are the Inns of Court - judicial enclaves.

London's political makeup is very interesting, unique and fragmented.

Paris
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4...ofparisur8.jpg

limite de departement : departments border
Ceinture vert : green belt
Parc naturel regional : Regional natural reserve
Coeur d'agglomeration : core of urban area
agglomeration central : the rest of urban area (real suburbs)
autres agglomerations : other urban areas (Metro area)
espace rural : rural area

You can see that the core is bigger than the municipality of Paris

Europe:
http://www.ub.es/medame/pop-city.gif

Moscow:
http://www.ub.es/medame/densmosc.gif

Madrid:
http://www.ub.es/medame/densmadr.gif

Rome:
http://www.ub.es/medame/densroma.gif

Warsaw:
http://www.ub.es/medame/densvars.gif