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llamaorama Jan 31, 2012 2:01 PM

Irvine, California is both a city and either a lot of it or all(not sure) is was owned and developed by the Irvine Company.

Celebration, Florida isn't its own city

photoLith Jan 31, 2012 4:02 PM

http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/c...0-DSC_0622.jpg
photo by me

Newly installed track on Capital and La Branch St downtown.

http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/c...0-DSC_0576.jpg
photo by me

I hadnt been inside the restored courthouse but its absolutely gorgeous, its been open since September and you guys should go in there and check it out, its really one of the best complete restorations Ive ever seen.

Complex01 Jan 31, 2012 11:34 PM

:previous:

Fantastic. I love it...

:yes:

JManc Feb 1, 2012 12:47 AM

that thing is going to get flattened by the next category 3 hurricane...

weatherguru18 Feb 1, 2012 1:16 AM

Bingo. Not even a 3. Just a Cat 2 like Ike with a Cat 4 surge.

photoLith Feb 1, 2012 1:49 AM

I'm sure they took all that into account somehow. Surely they know there's bound to be another hurricane hit the Galveston area. They wouldnt invest all that money to build this to just have it all wash away in the next storm.

J_M_Tungsten Feb 1, 2012 2:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JManc (Post 5571981)
that thing is going to get flattened by the next category 3 hurricane...

That was my first thought as well.

vjhe Feb 1, 2012 10:49 AM

Well, as Fertitta stated, "that is why you buy insurance ". Much like Kemah, until it happens I'm going to enjoy the place.

AviationGuy Feb 2, 2012 2:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vjhe (Post 5572512)
Well, as Fertitta stated, "that is why you buy insurance ". Much like Kemah, until it happens I'm going to enjoy the place.

Did Kemah have a lot of damage from Ike? I had dinner on the boardwalk in about 2002. Enjoyed it a lot.

photoLith Feb 2, 2012 2:36 AM

^
I think it did, a lot of it was shut down for months after the hurricane.

Double L Feb 2, 2012 3:02 AM

I've been there since the hurricane, everything's back up and running.

If you wanna see something interesting go to Schlitterbahn Galveston which was on the island. They have signs showing how high the water level was. It's amazing how quick they made a comeback.

Tumbleweed_Tx Feb 3, 2012 4:45 AM

that's because we're Texans... we don't sit around and whine about everything, we get back up, dust off our shirts, clean up the mess, and get right back to work!

TexasPlaya Feb 3, 2012 6:45 AM

http://www.rdmag.com/uploadedImages/...errsonx250.jpg
University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, Sheikh Zayed Bin Sultan Al Nahyan Building for Personalized Cancer Care, Houston

This building will be 12 stories, 650,000sf2, and a completion date of 3Q2014. It is already under construction.

TexasPlaya Feb 3, 2012 8:55 AM

Some stadium updates:
UH has some renderings of the stadium

http://www.buildinguhpridetogether.c...lery/new03.jpg

http://www.buildinguhpridetogether.c...lery/new01.jpg

The view from the Dynamo Stadium stands taken by Tigereye on HAIF
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...35184716_n.jpg

And some photos from Dynamo's facebook page that were posted on HAIF
http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k...ayoukid/D4.jpg

http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k...oukid/D2-1.jpg

Such wonderful views from both stadiums, especially the Dynamo. The most minding blowing thing of all is that all our major sports venues will be connected together by rail, way to go Houston.

photoLith Feb 3, 2012 6:55 PM

^
Surely there will be chairs put into that bare concrete right?

Complex01 Feb 3, 2012 10:33 PM

Ugh those DT views are amazing. I would go just for the skyline. he he

But all in all very nice indeed.

:yes:

TexasPlaya Feb 3, 2012 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by photoLith (Post 5576151)
^
Surely there will be chairs put into that bare concrete right?

Good question. Kinda looks like they aren't.

Bailey Feb 4, 2012 12:57 AM

Those are not the final UH stadium design. Those are only renderings for marketing purposes. They may incorporate some of those features but they are just now selecting the architect to put he drawings together.

We don't know what the final design will look like yet. Construction is slated to start in Dec. 2012.

Double L Feb 4, 2012 1:00 AM

MFAH expansion advances with naming of Steven Holl as architect

Quote:

The Museum of Fine Arts, Houston announced Thursday that Steven Holl Architects will design its major two-acre expansion, which will create new space for collections, exhibitions and educational programs.

The project will entail the construction of a new museum building intended primarily for art after 1900 to complement the Audrey Jones Beck and Caroline Wiess Law Buildings. Further, the project will address the integration of the Lillie and Hugh Roy Cullen Sculpture Garden and the expansion of the Glassell School of Art. A new parking facility will be added, as well.
http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/memor...61e1e049d.html

AviationGuy Feb 4, 2012 1:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tumbleweed_Tx (Post 5575468)
that's because we're Texans... we don't sit around and whine about everything, we get back up, dust off our shirts, clean up the mess, and get right back to work!

Sounds like a Rick Perry political ad (just kidding).

J_M_Tungsten Feb 4, 2012 2:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by photoLith (Post 5576151)
^
Surely there will be chairs put into that bare concrete right?

Unless this is based off the coliseum in Rome, I would imagine this will have seats :D

CALMSP Feb 4, 2012 3:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AviationGuy (Post 5576728)
Sounds like a Rick Perry political ad (just kidding).

Tumble - correct! Although I would have accepted FEMA money for a looooooong time and would have loved to have spent some time at treasures or something to get over my "emotional" stress :haha:

Aviation - thats what a great leader does!!:tup:

Chicago3rd Feb 4, 2012 3:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by photoLith (Post 5576151)
^
Surely there will be chairs put into that bare concrete right?

You are joking right? http://houstondynamo.io-media.com/

I am sooooo mad that Chicago didn't build their stadium downtown. Way to go HOUSTON!!!!

mfastx Feb 4, 2012 6:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by photoLith (Post 5576151)
^
Surely there will be chairs put into that bare concrete right?

If you look closely on the other side of the stadium in that last pic, I believe there are bleachers already in place.

kingkirbythe.... Feb 4, 2012 6:59 PM

It's great to see MFAH expanding, and killing another parking lot.

TexasPlaya Feb 5, 2012 6:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double L (Post 5576682)
MFAH expansion advances with naming of Steven Holl as architect



http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/memor...61e1e049d.html

Definitely great news, but the timeline for this expansion is 5-7 years until completion.

Tumbleweed_Tx Feb 5, 2012 8:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AviationGuy (Post 5576728)
Sounds like a Rick Perry political ad (just kidding).

yeah, except RP would forget to say a couple of parts of that... LOL

TexasPlaya Feb 10, 2012 6:45 AM

Awesome pic by cheetokhan from HAIF

http://cheetokhan.smugmug.com/Other/...P1030604-L.jpg

You have the residential tower in the foreground and the office tower in the background. Not to mention the great angle that shows off downtown and assorted high rises.

TexasPlaya Feb 12, 2012 4:07 AM

Some pics by me:

Ashton Village in Rice Village
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7047/6...9d19a70d_b.jpg
AshtonRiceVillage by dv1033, on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7183/6...acbb2650_b.jpg
AshtonRiceVillageGarage2 by dv1033, on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7017/6...1cd7d7c8_b.jpg
AshtonRiceVillageGarage4 by dv1033, on Flickr

It's great a large apartment complex is being constructed in the middle of Rice Village, will certainly add to this vibrant area.

Houston Museum of Natural Science Duncan Wing Expansion

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7045/6...9bd32ac0_b.jpg
IMAG0135 by dv1033, on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7191/6...c4ed14f7_b.jpg
IMAG0136 by dv1033, on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7172/6...b4f51188_b.jpg
IMAG0129 by dv1033, on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7209/6...fc0cd773_b.jpg
IMAG0128 by dv1033, on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7154/6...07270632_b.jpg
IMAG0127 by dv1033, on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7065/6...1c5c29bb_b.jpg
IMAG0126 by dv1033, on Flickr

While this expansion is pretty unimpressive and utilitarian architecturally, it fits in great with the current museum.

This last picture isn't mine but is pretty sweet. Shows all three major skylines:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7141/6...f40f70a2_b.jpg
Flying 497 by Fifthof7, on Flickr

photoLith Feb 12, 2012 12:36 PM

^
Wow, where was that picture taken from I wonder.

Michi Feb 12, 2012 4:10 PM

Awesome photo!

Looks like it might be taken from a location due south from downtown Houston, maybe somewhere around the Ft. Bend County line?

weatherguru18 Feb 12, 2012 5:21 PM

No, this picture was taken out on the east side. Where on the east side I don't know. But the configuration of the buildings downtown tells me this is DEFINITELY way out on the east side somewhere.

AviationGuy Feb 12, 2012 6:31 PM

That is definitely an awesome photo. Would be even better if the dirt piles were cropped out of the photo. I don't know if that's a construction site or some sort of industrial site. I agree it's way out east of downtown, where some of the best views can be found (especially from the high bridges over the Ship Channel).

Tumbleweed_Tx Feb 13, 2012 11:26 AM

looks like either the view from the San Jacinto monument or from the ship channel toll bridge

TexasPlaya Feb 14, 2012 5:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by photoLith (Post 5587902)
^
Wow, where was that picture taken from I wonder.

Probably somewhere in East/Southeast Houston near the ship channel and industrial area.

I've been around many parts of Houston and the best view of Houston's inner core (IMO) is from the Beltway8 and 59S interchange in SW Houston. I've thought about pretending to have car trouble on top of the interchange for a few minutes and snapping a few photos but always have chickened out. It's pretty dangerous to do that for jut some photos.... but still.

TexasPlaya Feb 14, 2012 5:33 AM

Perhaps a pie in the sky plan, but I've always wanted to harness Houston's bayous as a continuous greenbelt. Here's a ~$5.4 billion "proposal" to do so:

Red Fields to Green Fields: Houston

And a video:

photoLith Feb 14, 2012 6:13 AM

If that ever comes into fruition, it could really really change Houston. Talk about increasing land value. Downtown if surrounding by these parks could be amazing, it would bring in people and apartments.

AviationGuy Feb 15, 2012 2:22 AM

A good model is Allen Parkway along Buffalo Bayou, which has been beautiful for many decades. There are also already some great greenbelts west of Loop 610 out to about the Beltway or beyond. It needs to be done along Braes Bayou and others.

TexasPlaya Feb 16, 2012 5:09 AM

[Swamplot]Nixing Milhaus Retail: Why These New Midtown Apartments Won’t Have Shops on the Ground Floor

All images from Swamplot
http://swamplot.com/wp-content/uploa...elevations.jpg

http://swamplot.com/wp-content/uploa...-site-plan.jpg

Overall good news:
Quote:

The company’s Houston development will be the first new major Midtown apartment complex east of Main St. and north of Elgin, local blog InnerLooped notes. It’ll sit on the 2 blocks between Crawford, Austin, Webster, and Gray, and — yes — there’ll be plenty of ground-floor residences available. The western block has a central courtyard and is shown 4 stories tall in drawings; the 5-story eastern block, wrapped around a parking garage, is linked by a bridge across La Branch St. Variances that would allow reduced setbacks on all sides will be voted on by the planning commission this Thursday.
Read the entire article for why ground level retail doesn't seem to be financially feasible in Houston from a developer standpoint.

TexasPlaya Feb 16, 2012 5:10 AM

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7199/6...bab6a4cb_b.jpg
East Downtown LRT by Transit Nerds, on Flickr

The Southeastern Light Rail Line in Houston in its own Right of Way with the Columbia Tap bike path

Zapatan Feb 16, 2012 5:14 AM

Being as fast growing as it is, I'm surprised there's not as much skyscraper development in Houston (Or Dallas or Atlanta for that matter) I suppose that will come with time? It would help the urban sprawl problem.

weatherguru18 Feb 16, 2012 4:10 PM

New rendering of the 35-story condo tower that will sit on the site of the former state grille. This picture (taken by someone else) is of the rendering that is up at the site.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-S_R8HKZFc3...0/IMG_6666.JPG

lockmat Feb 16, 2012 5:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weatherguru18 (Post 5593050)
New rendering of the 35-story condo tower that will sit on the site of the former state grille. This picture (taken by someone else) is of the rendering that is up at the site.

Yes, it was me :)

blog link: http://goo.gl/jKkGf

lockmat Feb 16, 2012 6:27 PM

Construction pics for: Zayed Bin Sultan Al Nahyan Building for Personalized Cancer Care

http://goo.gl/RFE9f

JManc Feb 16, 2012 6:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 5592678)
Being as fast growing as it is, I'm surprised there's not as much skyscraper development in Houston (Or Dallas or Atlanta for that matter) I suppose that will come with time? It would help the urban sprawl problem.

we're still in a crippling recession. up until very recently, development and construction of new buildings ground to a complete halt. there are several never-completed buildings around town.

colemonkee Feb 16, 2012 7:31 PM

I really like what they did with the glass cladding on the lower levels with what appears to be the parking levels (assuming those are indeed parking levels). It reminds me a bit of the dragon scale effect on IFC in Hong Kong. Where in the city is this building being built?

weatherguru18 Feb 17, 2012 1:04 AM

Off Westlayan I think...

AviationGuy Feb 17, 2012 2:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JManc (Post 5593304)
we're still in a crippling recession. up until very recently, development and construction of new buildings ground to a complete halt. there are several never-completed buildings around town.

Although I had thought of many areas of the country to be in a "crippling recession" since it started in 2007, I had thought of Houston as experiencing more of a "slowdown". Was not aware that there was no construction at all. What about houses, condos, townhomes, medical buildings, stores, etc.?

Edit: On rereading the other posts, looks like you may have been referring just to tall buildings?

YakuzaIce Feb 17, 2012 4:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AviationGuy (Post 5593952)
Although I had thought of many areas of the country to be in a "crippling recession" since it started in 2007, I had thought of Houston as experiencing more of a "slowdown". Was not aware that there was no construction at all. What about houses, condos, townhomes, medical buildings, stores, etc.?

Edit: On rereading the other posts, looks like you may have been referring just to tall buildings?

While Houston weathered the recession better than most, banks are still holding money pretty close to their chests and financing can be difficult to secure. I believe there are only three 15+ story buildings under construction at the moment (at least in the city limits). All are in the Galleria area, and all are in the 20 story range. Skanska is financing their building themselves. The other two are the BBVA building and an apartment building.

I think one reason there is a perceived slowdown (at least I noticed this in myself) is due to the lack of major construction downtown and in the TMC. A lot of projects finished in the last few years downtown, but nothing concrete is really in the works at the moment. In the medical center a lot of projects have been put on hold due to uncertainty in the healthcare industry and of course due to financing issues. So downtown has no major new construction at the moment, and I think the only large building going up in the TMC is the one paid for by the donation from the former UAE president.

That being said, there is quite a bit of construction going on in Houston. Most of it is in the 3-8 story range though. It kind of relates to Zapatan's earlier question about skyscraper development. The inner loop is still dominated by low rise buildings, and even mid rises will bring a huge jump in density. Obviously many of these areas are wealthy neighborhoods which won't be going anywhere in our lifetimes, but even in Midtown (and Downtown for that matter) there are many blocks that are either empty or only occupied by strip centers.

I feel like I am rambling at this point, but one more thing. In regards to skyscrapers and Midtown. I believe parking might be one of the limiting factors. Downtown is the only area exempt from parking requirements (Uptown, TMC, and Greenway have the right to their own parking management areas, though I don't think Greenway ever utilized this. As result they are allowed shared parking and the TMC has 1.2 spaces per 1,000sf compared to the 2.7 usually required for health care buildings). This means any development in Midtown would require a certain amount of parking. This can make transitioning to a pedestrian friendly area incredibly difficult since they already need to meet certain criteria before exemptions can be made. For purely residential buildings it probably isn't that difficult to provide 1-2 spots per unit, but the requirements for businesses can be exorbitant. I believe late last year the city was pushing to change the requirement for bars to 14 spots per 1,000sf That would be roughly 4,500sf of parking for every 1,000sf of bar space. Now with that said, I don't have a perfect grasp of the parking ordinances here, so ground floor retail might actually fall under shopping center guidelines.

The long and short of it is parking regulations can be a real headache. They can also discourage redevelopment of historical buildings because they fall under the same restrictions at the moment. Of course mid rise residential is better than surface parking lots for decades because every land owner downtown expects to reap the rewards from a skyscraper.

Back to the original point, there is a ton of apartment and townhouse construction going on in Houston. There just aren't really any big signature buildings going up at the moment so it can feel like nothing is happening.

weatherguru18 Feb 17, 2012 4:29 AM

Oh, don't be fooled. There are many projects in the works in the Houston *area* and many more are close to starting construction. Here's a list just off the top of my head:

BBVA building, Galleria area: 22-stories (UC)
Condo tower, Galleria area: 22-stories (UC)
Condo tower, near Westlayan: 35-stories (construction soon)
Anadarko Tower, The Woodlands, 31-stories (UC)
Exxon Campus, The Woodlands, multiple midrises (UC)
Research Forest Campus, The Woodlands, multiple midrises (Construction soon)
Convention District: multiple highrise hotels (renderings done)
Ashby Highrise: 22 stories (legal fight)

Those are just off the top of my head.


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