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J. Will Jun 14, 2010 1:04 AM

TORONTO | Regent Park Redevelopment
 
-Regent Park lies on the East side of downtown Toronto
-built in the late 1940s.
-looks similar to some of the housing projects in New York and Chicago, but in lowrise form
-gradually being torn down and replaced with buildings that are aligned to a restored street grid
-along major streets that buildings have/will have retail, with townhouse units at the base of some of the buildings along frontages of secondary streets
-surface parking lots and setbacks will be gone
-when completed will have twice the number of residential units as it did before the redevelopment

Map of area:

http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/y...g?t=1276469304

Aerial view:

http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/y...g?t=1276469355

In these pictures you can see all the unused open space and lack of retail at the base of the buildings:

http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/y...g?t=1276469409

http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/y...g?t=1276469481

Google Streetview of Phase 1, which includes a Sobey's supermarket and other retailers:

http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/y...g?t=1276470166

Below pictures from the following article, "Phase 1 of Regent Park revitalization nears completion":
http://www.blogto.com/city/2010/03/p...rs_completion/

http://www.torontohousing.ca/webfm_send/4390

http://www.blogto.com/upload/2010/03...-Side-View.jpg

http://www.blogto.com/upload/2010/03...ownhouses2.jpg

http://www.blogto.com/upload/2010/03...das-Church.jpg

http://www.blogto.com/upload/2010/03...Townhouses.jpg

Phase 2: http://www.torontohousing.ca/news/20...park_phase_two

Chicago Shawn Aug 26, 2010 1:49 PM

Looks fantastic.

Do you know where I could find the answer to the following questions...

-What is the break down of the new housing? How many of the new units are listed as market rate and how many units are reserved for replacement public housing?

-Will the number of public housing units increase, decrease or stay about the same?

-How successful have the market rate units been?

-Are the market rate units listed as for sale, rental, or a combination of both?

-What are the qualifications to become eligible for the public housing units (is there a graduated scale of income caps for particular units and/or family sizes)?

-How much retail is being included and are there any other mixed uses such as office space?

This project is far better than the vast majority of public housing replacement projects underway in the US. I genuinely want know if the financing, programing and housing mix is any different.

J. Will Aug 28, 2010 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Chicago Shawn (Post 4960483)
Looks fantastic.

Do you know where I could find the answer to the following questions...

-What is the break down of the new housing? How many of the new units are listed as market rate and how many units are reserved for replacement public housing?

-Will the number of public housing units increase, decrease or stay about the same?

-How successful have the market rate units been?

-Are the market rate units listed as for sale, rental, or a combination of both?

-What are the qualifications to become eligible for the public housing units (is there a graduated scale of income caps for particular units and/or family sizes)?

-How much retail is being included and are there any other mixed uses such as office space?

You can do a search yourself, but I couldn't really find any details beyond what I posted here.

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This project is far better than the vast majority of public housing replacement projects underway in the US. I genuinely want know if the financing, programing and housing mix is any different.
I could be wrong, but I'm under the impression that well-off Americans are less conducive to living amongst poorer people and near public housing projects. In Vancouver, Toronto, and Montreal it is quite common to have poor, middle-class, and wealthy people all in the same neighbourhood.

New York City has loads of areas that could use this treatment - even in Manhattan. In fact, they look almost identical to pre-revitalization Regent Park (cross-shaped brown buildings, no balconies, very little retail, unused grassy spaces between the sidewalk and the buildings, few and far between thru-streets), only in New York they are much taller thus more densely populated. Yet I haven't seen any recent proposals to tear any of them down and give them this kind of treatment.

ardecila Aug 31, 2010 4:04 AM

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Originally Posted by J. Will (Post 4962906)
New York City has loads of areas that could use this treatment - even in Manhattan. In fact, they look almost identical to pre-revitalization Regent Park (cross-shaped brown buildings, no balconies, very little retail, unused grassy spaces between the sidewalk and the buildings, few and far between thru-streets), only in New York they are much taller thus more densely populated. Yet I haven't seen any recent proposals to tear any of them down and give them this kind of treatment.

Why tear them down? They're not the crime-infested ratholes that tower projects are/were in most other American cities. In fact, I hear they function quite well.

The pressures to live in New York are so great that any sort of redevelopment would inevitably turn into a major gentrification - the opportunities to make money are just too great. I would not trust politicians to do redevelopment in an equitable manner. Hell, I wouldn't even trust them to get a damn subway built, even when pretty much everybody agrees it's a good idea.

J. Will Aug 31, 2010 6:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 4965441)
Why tear them down? They're not the crime-infested ratholes that tower projects are/were in most other American cities. In fact, I hear they function quite well.

To improve the public realm (some of them are very bad for crime, but that's another issue). It's not just about crime. Even if they had no crime, they break up the city's grid, and provide little (in some cases no) retail to enliven the streetscape and give anyone not living there a reason to go there. Plus they too have the useless open space/parking space between buildings and the street, and between buildings and other buildings. These are the identical issue pre-development Regent Park had/has.

Even if they're not going to tear them down, they should at least encourage lowrise retail buildings to be built on the unused open space. Thousands of people can live in a single housing project. Easily enough to support 50,000+ square feet of retail. I'm not talking Dolce and Gabbana, just basic everyday stuff - grocery stores, drug stores, dry cleaners, mid-market restaurants, convenience stores, etc.

Read about the Tower Renewal Project:

http://knol.google.com/k/a-future-vi...erican-suburb#


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The pressures to live in New York are so great that any sort of redevelopment would inevitably turn into a major gentrification - the opportunities to make money are just too great.
Yes, that's the idea.

ardecila Aug 31, 2010 5:21 PM

I mean that middle-class residents of those towers would be forced out - of Manhattan altogether, since there's no way they could afford units at market-rate. How is it fair or equitable to shifts tens of thousands of middle-class workers to the outer boroughs or suburbs?

J. Will Aug 31, 2010 6:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 4965982)
I mean that middle-class residents of those towers would be forced out - of Manhattan altogether, since there's no way they could afford units at market-rate. How is it fair or equitable to shifts tens of thousands of middle-class workers to the outer boroughs or suburbs?

Did you even read the thread? It seems based on your comments that you didn't. What I suggested was NOT a reduction in subsidized units.

GeneralLeeTPHLS Nov 30, 2018 6:04 AM

The moreso centre towers are from the Regent park redevelopment, including the one under construction. I took this yesterday.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4917/...be67aaf1_b.jpgTJ286888 by Josh Kenn Photographics, on Flickr

GeneralLeeTPHLS Nov 19, 2019 1:47 AM

I took this today of some a new phase going up...
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...3296db0d_b.jpgDSC_1316 by Draulerin Photographics, on Flickr

buildoutbuildup Nov 23, 2019 4:07 PM

That’s looking pretty good. I think, as long as they help to support the middle class people in that area and work with them to get the right housing needs in place, it’ll be a really solid change compared to some other cities that have done similar projects. Canada is typically pretty good at thinking about what is best for the community, and the gradual changes here exemplify that pretty well.


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