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davidivivid Mar 21, 2013 9:42 PM

Video of the future parkade to be built this year, in advance of the new international terminal whose construction is set to begin in january 2014.

Video Link



Another nice video of some construction work which was shot aboard an helicopter.

Video Link

big T Mar 21, 2013 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc (Post 6046625)
Yeah, I'm quite impressed with the breadth of infrastructure improvements going on nation-wide.
...
Montreal ?

Like the other airports you listed YUL went through some pretty extensive enhancements since 2005:
- brand new intl arrivals hall
- new US preclearance with streamlined check-in (you no longer need to go through US immigration with your luggage, they get pictures of it and can have them recalled as needed)
- new Marriott integrated with the US terminal
- currently ongoing international terminal expansion to add new gates, including a second A380 gate
- underground rail terminal for the hypothetical downtown rail link
- ongoing work on the roadway linking the terminal to A20/A520

Of course if this all sounds great, you have to factor in the inevitable Montreal complications: the rail link has gone through 3 competing proposals by the city, the AMT (transit authority) and the airport itself with no clear decision in sight, the road work is overdue and over budget by a factor of times 3 or 4, etc. to their credit, the airport terminal improvements which were financed directly by the airport seem to have been going well so far. But traffic growth has slowed pretty dramatically in 2012, down to about 1%, and the lack of direct links to many destinations (mainly Asia) is hurting future prospects.

rbt Mar 21, 2013 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big T (Post 6061651)
- currently ongoing international terminal expansion to add new gates, including a second A380 gate

Does this mean the Air France Montreal <-> Paris run is a regular one?

big T Mar 22, 2013 12:18 PM

That was scaled back to one daily 777 (or 340?) and one daily 747 late last year I believe. It seems air france would rather use their 380s on higher yield markets like asia, where increasing frequencies is likely a lot more expensive than at YUL. So for now there is no regular 380 service, but obviously they're bound to come back at some point and having 2 gates ready is probably good planning.

rbt Mar 22, 2013 1:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big T (Post 6062364)
That was scaled back to one daily 777 (or 340?) and one daily 747 late last year I believe. It seems air france would rather use their 380s on higher yield markets like asia, where increasing frequencies is likely a lot more expensive than at YUL. So for now there is no regular 380 service, but obviously they're bound to come back at some point and having 2 gates ready is probably good planning.

So the once in a blue moon Emirates Toronto <-> Dubai trip is the only regularly scheduled A380 to Canada?

Still seems like a lot of effort to build a backup gate to attract an aircraft that doesn't want to come here.

casper Mar 22, 2013 1:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big T (Post 6062364)
That was scaled back to one daily 777 (or 340?) and one daily 747 late last year I believe. It seems air france would rather use their 380s on higher yield markets like asia, where increasing frequencies is likely a lot more expensive than at YUL. So for now there is no regular 380 service, but obviously they're bound to come back at some point and having 2 gates ready is probably good planning.

I would asume the gates are not used exclusively for A380s and at that point it is quite resonable to design a few gates for the largest aircraft you expect to see.

casper Mar 22, 2013 2:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rbt (Post 6062442)
So the once in a blue moon Emirates Toronto <-> Dubai trip is the only regularly scheduled A380 to Canada?

Still seems like a lot of effort to build a backup gate to attract an aircraft that doesn't want to come here.

I believe Vancouver also has some gates that can handle the A380. The A380 has also made medical emergency landing in either Calgary or Edmonton.

Honestly if you need to add more gates to the airport anyway you might as well make one or two extra wide. These generally are not A380 exclusive use gates, they are gates that can handle aircrafts upto the size of the A380.

As airlines that regularly service Canadian airports (Korean Airlines, British Airways, Air Frances, Lufthansa) start to actually take delivery of A380s in quantity we will probably see them more often.

Airboy Mar 22, 2013 3:28 PM

I believe the reason the A380 did not pull up to the terminal here in YEG was there was no hitch available for the Tugs so they could not push it away. Interesting Iqaluit has all the gear because of all the cold weather testing for Airbus.

big T Mar 22, 2013 4:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by casper (Post 6062443)
I would asume the gates are not used exclusively for A380s and at that point it is quite resonable to design a few gates for the largest aircraft you expect to see.

Exactly. One thing to remember is that Montreal traffic is quite different in nature from other major Canadian airports, being skewed much more heavily towards international traffic than domestic (transborder being about the same):

Code:

          domestic  US        Intl
YYZ      43%      27%      30%
YVR      54%      24%      22%
YUL      39%      23%      38%
YYC      70%      20%      10%

The above are from 2009 (latest available but unlikely to have varied much percentage wise), easily found on Wikipedia. In raw numbers, Montreal got 4.4 million international passengers that year, vs 8.7 for Toronto and 3.4 for Vancouver.

The takeaway being that as the second international gateway into Canada (the only flights where we are likely to see A380s), it is totally justified to have 2 gates that can handle the type. These things need to be planned years in advance, and in the meantime they can easily handle other large jets for little added cost.

halifaxboyns Mar 29, 2013 6:40 PM

A new video released by the Halifax Stanfield International Airport Authority - I thought it was quite well done!

kora Apr 2, 2013 8:51 PM

2012 North American Airport Traffic Summary (Top 50 Airports - Passengers)

14. Toronto: 34,912,456
28. Vancouver: 17,747,297
32. Montreal: 13,791,928
33. Calgary: 13,534,798

Airports Council International (preliminary results)

Coldrsx Apr 3, 2013 2:35 PM

^full link?

Edmonton's new control tower by Hilman on C2E
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BGY1Z71CMAAy55w.jpg:large
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BGY1Z71CMAAy55w.jpg:large)

SkydivePilot Apr 30, 2013 5:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc (Post 6046625)
Yeah, I'm quite impressed with the breadth of infrastructure improvements going on nation-wide.

Vancouver recently fully reno-d their airport, built a new skytrain line to their airport
Calgary doubling the size of their airport, built a new LRT line, and proposed an LRT connection to the airport
Edmonton vastly increasing the size of their airport, building new LRT line
Saskatoon vastly increasing the size of their airport, ring road nearly complete, council starting to talk about a future LRT system
Regina ?
Winnipeg vastly increased the size of their airport, constructed first leg of a dedicated BRT
Toronto building a link between airport and Union Station
Montreal ?
Quebec City's gorgeous addition to their airport, council starting to talk about a future LRT system
Halifax increasing size of their airport, council starting to talk about a future LRT system


basically every major city is doing something. When was the last time this happened? The 60s?

For Regina:

The western portion of the new super Ring Road under construction. (Other phases are being planned); new football stadium; Global Transportation Hub; and a $100-150-million-dollar airport expansion within a few years.

Black Star Apr 30, 2013 6:18 AM

^^^ So basically the population of Canada went through The Big Smoke....Wow!

^^ The control tower and new airport in Edmonton are very sexy:cheers:

SignalHillHiker Apr 30, 2013 11:55 AM

Wow, Edmonton's looks GREAT!

SignalHillHiker Apr 30, 2013 11:57 AM

A couple pictures of ours, which is currently being expanded:

http://ryancrocker.zenfolio.com/img/...57148856-6.jpg

http://i35.tinypic.com/2q2j15c.jpg

http://ryancrocker.zenfolio.com/img/...57148868-6.jpg

http://ryancrocker.zenfolio.com/img/...57167894-6.jpg

And the plan:

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeddy1989 (Post 6104787)
I think it has 5 gates ;) :P

They're gonna turn her into this (doubled in size and capacity 10 years ahead of projections):
http://www.stjohnsairport.com/media_uploads/jpg/314.jpg
http://www.stjohnsairport.com/index/index.cfm?id=190

small but perdy and growing

Two major concerns of mine:

1. We have no parkade, only ever-expanding surface parking lots.
2. We have no hotel on site.

We need to get rid of that main, central parking lot (the one linked by a covered walkway). Replace that with a large parkade with a hotel on top. Then we'll be good to go for a few more years.

SkydivePilot Apr 30, 2013 9:56 PM

Impressive-looking airport at St. John's!!!! :tup: (I'll bet that there'll be a parkade in the future.)

Coldrsx May 1, 2013 1:59 PM

A few longer term plans for YEG

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8265/8...00e026ba_b.jpg
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8265/8...00e026ba_b.jpg)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8265/8...fc63ccb5_b.jpg
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8265/8...fc63ccb5_b.jpg)

Tropics May 5, 2013 2:37 AM

Seeing what many of the cities in Canada that are medium size are building I cannot help but feel Fort McMurray is doing their normal thing and underbuilding their new airport expansion to barely serve the city as of right now, not what it will be in 5 years time or even at the time when the current expansion is actually completed.

The population of Fort McMurray is skyrocketing and is expected to pretty much double in the next 15 years, which will make Fort McMurray very possibly the 3rd largest city by population in Alberta. They should be building the expansion with that in mind and the gigantic amount of traffic that the airport has due to workers who travel in and out for work.

I am guessing Fort McMurrays new airport will be underserving the community very shortly after it is built and residents of Fort Mac will continue to get fleeced for the most expensive short haul flights (by a huge margin) in North America for the forseeable future.

isaidso May 5, 2013 6:50 AM

The oil sands is going to continue expanding even if we vastly increase our use of alternative fuels. I wouldn't be surprised to see 500,000 people living there 40 years from now. They need to recognize that Ft. Mac is going to be a significant Canadian city one day and stop building like its some temporary mining site.

Airboy May 8, 2013 9:56 PM

Fort Mac ATB opening late 2014
 
YMM Air Terminal Building

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7422/8...ce6e8f45_b.jpg

I should be able to get on to site later this summer.

Coldrsx May 10, 2013 3:38 PM

YEG is embarking on a 280 acre retail/commercial/light industrial project directly in front (east) of the airport.

Phase 1 is an 80acre development with 2 new hotels, highway commercial, retail and light industrial/logistics.

http://www.airport-world.com/media/k...1303b67a_M.jpg
(http://www.airport-world.com/media/k...1303b67a_M.jpg)

SignalHillHiker May 10, 2013 5:34 PM

Nice. A bit sprawly but... it's by an airport, what are you going to do.

tele75 May 10, 2013 6:31 PM

[QUOTE=SignalHillHiker;6110029]A couple pictures of ours, which is currently being expanded:

http://ryancrocker.zenfolio.com/img/...57148856-6.jpg


Love the "porthole" treatments..nice. Are these all over the airport?

SignalHillHiker May 10, 2013 6:51 PM

That is all the airport. :haha:

tele75 May 10, 2013 7:04 PM

LOL! Awesome. Thanks!

halifaxboyns May 29, 2013 6:01 PM

Article on planned upgrades to YHZ (Halifax Stanfield International Airport).

Here are some photos of the proposed changes to the south portion of the terminal (from YHZ's facebook page):

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...96867253_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...55889969_n.jpg

SignalHillHiker Jul 10, 2013 5:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCE (Post 6192759)
I agree would be great to see this project get back on track. Not sure if I have seen anyone post the renders before. So just for a refresher. Before and after.

http://i.imgur.com/06fJB7O.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rZcLX5Q.jpg

Soon the outside should look as nice as the inside. :)

Coldrsx Jul 11, 2013 6:25 PM

Edmonton might need the next expansion sooner then later.

Edmonton International Airport
Passenger Statistics for June 2013

Highlights
Overall 557,077 passengers* (3,391,247 year-to-date)
Domestic 460,508 passengers* (2,502,641 year-to-date)
Transborder 79,239 passengers* (645,388 year-to-date)
International 17,330 passengers (243,218 year-to-date)
Rolling 12 Month 6,800,021

*June Record

Growth%
Overall 5.5% (3.8% year-to-date)
Domestic 5.3% (3.4% year-to-date)
Transborder 11.3% (6.4% year-to-date)
International (9.9)% (0.7% year-to-date)
Rolling 12 Month 4.9%

SkydivePilot Aug 4, 2013 5:10 PM

This isn't much of a posting; however, I was passing through Edmonton Int'l enroute to Regina --- and I was MOST impressed with the expansion/appearance of the terminal building!!! Way to go Edmonton!!! :tup:

Coldrsx Aug 29, 2013 4:40 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...823_072007.jpg
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...823_072007.jpg)
Sonic Boom on c2e

Calgarian Aug 29, 2013 4:48 PM

That tower at YEG is awesome!

Calgarian Aug 29, 2013 5:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kora (Post 6075866)
2012 North American Airport Traffic Summary (Top 50 Airports - Passengers)

14. Toronto: 34,912,456
28. Vancouver: 17,747,297
32. Montreal: 13,791,928
33. Calgary: 13,534,798

Airports Council International (preliminary results)

Either Calgary is hitting way above it's weight or Montreal is hitting way below, seems crazy to me that Calgary has virtually the same number of passengers as a city nearly 4x the size. Is there competition in the eastern part of the country aside from Toronto?

Coldrsx Aug 29, 2013 5:30 PM

Western Hub

MalcolmTucker Aug 29, 2013 5:33 PM

Plus Calgary is pretty far away from other major cities, save for Edmonton.

Chadillaccc Aug 29, 2013 6:31 PM

I can't imagine how drastically that number is going to increase once the expansion opens next year, effectively doubling the size of the airport and bringing Canada's two longest runways online. Apparently a few new routes will come with the opening of the new terminal as well.

Calgarian Aug 29, 2013 6:37 PM

I know we are a western hub, but shouldn't Montreal be an Eastern hub, and the main one for all of Quebec? What kind of numbers do Quebec City and Ottawa put up? they should be similar to Montreal as Edmonton is to Calgary. All that aside, I'm really happy to see Calgary continue to kick ass and take names!

Wishblade Aug 29, 2013 7:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calgarian (Post 6248791)
I know we are a western hub, but shouldn't Montreal be an Eastern hub, and the main one for all of Quebec? What kind of numbers do Quebec City and Ottawa put up? they should be similar to Montreal as Edmonton is to Calgary. All that aside, I'm really happy to see Calgary continue to kick ass and take names!

Here are the 2012 numbers:

Toronto 34,912,456
Vancouver 17,596,901
Montreal 13,809,820
Calgary 13,638,137
Edmonton 6,676,445
Ottawa 4,685,956
Halifax 3,605,701
Winnipeg 3,538,175
Victoria 1,506,578
St. John's 1,450,000
Kelowna 1,440,952
Quebec City 1,342,840
Saskatoon 1,326,838
Regina 1,185,715

Chadillaccc Aug 29, 2013 7:11 PM

Halifax and Kelowna both punch really heavy above their weight!

I've been to Kelowna's airport and I have to say, I don't know how it handles that many people a year.

OTSkyline Aug 29, 2013 7:13 PM

Ottawa (YOW) brings in over 4,500,000 per year approx. We are "punished" by being squeezed in between YUL and YYZ so not many flights since people can easily drive to Montreal or Toronto to catch one and most of the flights are YOW-YYZ (we must have like 40 flights to and from Toronto daily)...

Coldrsx Aug 29, 2013 7:17 PM

Edmonton is on pace to be at 7,000,000 this year or damn near.

SFUVancouver Aug 29, 2013 7:20 PM

I'm impressed by the Edmonton airport control tower. It still looks as if it were a rendering.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wishblade (Post 6248833)
Here are the 2012 numbers:

Toronto 34,912,456
Vancouver 17,596,901
Montreal 13,809,820
Calgary 13,638,137
Edmonton 6,676,445
Ottawa 4,685,956
Halifax 3,605,701
Winnipeg 3,538,175
Victoria 1,506,578
St. John's 1,450,000
Kelowna 1,440,952
Quebec City 1,342,840
Saskatoon 1,326,838
Regina 1,185,715

I think it's a remarkable demonstration of the nation's shifting centre of gravity that Alberta's airports now move 20,314,582 people annually. Add Vancouver, Kelowna, and Victoria and the two western-most provinces' large airports are moving 40,859,013 people annually. Add Winnipeg, Regina, and Saskatoon, and the western provinces' large airports move 46,909,741 annually; 45% of the total moved by the 14 large airports on that list.

YYCspotter Aug 29, 2013 7:24 PM

Whenever Edmonton's passenger numbers grow it seems like Calgary's do too. The west is booming.

YYC is on track right now to easily break 14 million this year and overtake YUL as the 3rd busiest airport in the country.

http://www.yyc.com/en-us/media/facts...tatistics.aspx

J.OT13 Aug 29, 2013 7:31 PM

Can anyone explain what these letters mean; YOW, YYZ, YUL?

lubicon Aug 29, 2013 7:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 6248700)
Western Hub

Actually it is not. A focus city yes, but a hub - no way. Vancouver is more of a hub than YYC is. Calgary hits way above its weight because of the energy industry and the traffic that generates (both business and leisure).

Denscity Aug 29, 2013 7:42 PM

Good to see that at half the population, Vancouver has half the passengers than Toronto. Considering Toronto is the home of AC and the largest airport in the country, and Vancouver has no home airline its doing quite well.

J.OT13 Aug 29, 2013 7:55 PM

Vancouver lead the way with downtown-airport rail link when they built the Canada line for the 2010 Olympics and Toronto is finally building a long overdue link to Pearson International but are their any other cities taking a serious look into a Downtown-Airport link?

Going through the thread I saw MTLskyline's May 2010 post about Pierre Trudeau International's underground rail station progress and different possibilities (ATM or STM) but I have yet to hear any update on this.

esquire Aug 29, 2013 7:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J.OT13 (Post 6248868)
Can anyone explain what these letters mean; YOW, YYZ, YUL?

Codes for Ottawa, Toronto (Pearson) and Montreal (Trudeau) airports, respectively.

Discussions about airports and aviation typically use IATA airport codes... you can find a complete list here: http://www.prokerala.com/travel/airports/canada/

Chadillaccc Aug 29, 2013 8:00 PM

They're just airport codes. For some reason, Canada didn't get their city names as acronyms for their airport codes like American cities, but most Canadian cities have at least the first letter of the city name in their code, like YVR for Vancouver, YYC for Calgary, and YEG for Edmonton, among others.

J.OT13 Aug 29, 2013 8:04 PM

Thanks. Still don't get the point though.


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