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SignalHillHiker Jul 25, 2017 4:00 PM

I know a few people who are or whose parents are from Belize here, and like most people here they have relatives and friends in Alberta. They're very excited. This has been shared like five times on FB this morning:

http://i68.tinypic.com/167sa9v.jpg

(RIP PEI and NL lol)

MonctonRad Jul 25, 2017 5:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker (Post 7875160)
(RIP PEI and NL lol)

They got Anticosti though! :haha:

Denscity Jul 25, 2017 5:26 PM

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Originally Posted by csbvan (Post 7875095)

This article suggests that yet another Chinese airline will begin flying to Vancouver later this year.

nname Jul 25, 2017 6:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Denscity (Post 7875265)
This article suggests that yet another Chinese airline will begin flying to Vancouver later this year.

Maybe HU or GS from TSN? Not sure if they still got their 2x weekly... I thought CA took it this summer to run 2x daily from PEK

I know 3U wants to start non-stop from CTU using A350 later this year while still keeping both SHE and CGO routes, but they only got 3x weekly. Not sure how they going to do it...

And XIY is still in MU's plan (also for later this year), but I don't think they want to cut PVG any further, as they already upgauged it to B777.

And then there's SZX....

lubicon Jul 25, 2017 6:48 PM

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Originally Posted by zahav (Post 7874861)
Interesting that Westjet made such a big point of emphasizing the 3 hubs in today's release. In the old days they didn't even talk much about hubbing. Growing up I see :)[/I]
http://westjet2.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1250

What I find interesting is the fact Vancouver is mentioned as a hub at all. It wasn't that long ago that Calgary and Toronto were the main hubs, Vancouver wasn't much more than any other city. This is the first time I can recall that WestJet is specifically mentioning them as a hub.

dansk Jul 25, 2017 8:08 PM

Wait till the 787 come online and YVR will gain more presence in WS world :)

LeftCoaster Jul 25, 2017 8:23 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 7873181)
Sure, but that's a pretty specific criteria, and one that is frankly not as important as you make it out to be. Sure, for 8 or 12 weeks in the summer, YVR's intl seat count is larger than YUL's, but for most of the remaining year, that is not the case. That speaks volume's to the fact that Quebecers do indeed travel, even with the lowest disposable income in the country. Whether it's Cuba or China is irrelevant. International travel is international travel.

I only quote that criteria because that's what I track personally. I know both airports are quite seasonal so I would be surprised if YVR fell off that much more precipitously than YUL. Do you have any stats that separate out sun flying at YUL?



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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 7873181)
I would argue the contrary in fact. YUL and YVR punch above their weight when it comes to international travel, especially when compared to similar sized cities such as PHX, PHL, TPA, PDX, CLT, CVG, CLE, STL, SLC, PIT, SAN, DEN etc...

Everyone holds their own against American cities. Such an insular country when it comes to air travel.

LeftCoaster Jul 25, 2017 8:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dansk (Post 7875454)
Wait till the 787 come online and YVR will gain more presence in WS world :)

I'm not reading too much into their route map they showed. WS is still very YYC focused, one only needs to look at their international routes today to see YVR doesn't factor in the same way YYC does. Their London route is only seasonal at YVR and they've been adding routes from Calgary like Liberia, Nashville and Belize while only bumping up domestic flights at YVR. I think the bulk of the 787s will go to YYZ with a few to YYC and even fewer to YVR.

mezzanine Jul 26, 2017 4:02 AM

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster (Post 7875502)
I'm not reading too much into their route map they showed. WS is still very YYC focused, one only needs to look at their international routes today to see YVR doesn't factor in the same way YYC does. Their London route is only seasonal at YVR and they've been adding routes from Calgary like Liberia, Nashville and Belize while only bumping up domestic flights at YVR. I think the bulk of the 787s will go to YYZ with a few to YYC and even fewer to YVR.

I dunno, it seems like there are many different results that YVR/YYC can wind up with, especially with the planned ULCC and higher-end 787 service. I suspect that the ULCC will not be focused at YYC to avoid cannibalising WS mainline service. And WS has already determined the 787s to be a premium service, i can't predict the market (YVR vs YYC) for lie-flat, high end service to china and elsewhere.

I do agree that YYZ will likely get the lions share of 787s.

mezzanine Jul 26, 2017 4:12 AM

WS's proposed route map at the vancouver BoT talk is a laughable. it's like they drew a line from any large city in asia, south america, europe and australia and they form a big blob of lines by YVR/YYC.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBQ0QRcUAAA1pga.jpg

isaidso Jul 26, 2017 4:58 AM

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Originally Posted by OutOfTowner (Post 7873732)
Isaidso seems to think that population/x should always=y, regardless of any external factors.

He worships big numbers for their bigness - bigly.

A lot of factors besides population determine traffic volume. I shouldn't have to write a paper so that you don't go jumping to absurd conclusions. I point out that some airports are under performing relative to their peers and you think that means I worship bigness? Are you trying to be obtuse or is your world really that vacuous?

Better go tell the millions of people around the world who work in marketing/sales/strategic management that their efforts to increase business is a worthless exercise and they should all just go home.

OutOfTowner Jul 26, 2017 5:29 AM

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Originally Posted by isaidso (Post 7875911)
A lot of factors besides population determine traffic volume. I shouldn't have to write a paper so that you don't go jumping to absurd conclusions. I point out that some airports are under performing relative to their peers and you think that means I worship bigness? Are you trying to be obtuse or is your world really that vacuous?

Better go tell the millions of people around the world who work in marketing/sales/strategic management that their efforts to increase business is a worthless exercise and they should all just go home.

You're the one who compared Melbourne to Montreal based on population alone, dipshit.

And how dare you call me vacuous - I don't even own a vacuum!

OutOfTowner Jul 26, 2017 5:49 AM

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Originally Posted by isaidso (Post 7875911)

Better go tell the millions of people around the world who work in marketing/sales/strategic management that their efforts to increase business is a worthless exercise and they should all just go home.

Isaidso: Go home!

speedog Jul 26, 2017 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker (Post 7875160)
I know a few people who are or whose parents are from Belize here, and like most people here they have relatives and friends in Alberta. They're very excited. This has been shared like five times on FB this morning:

(RIP PEI and NL lol)

Five times, that's quite intense.

thenoflyzone Jul 26, 2017 1:04 PM

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster (Post 7875470)
I only quote that criteria because that's what I track personally. I know both airports are quite seasonal so I would be surprised if YVR fell off that much more precipitously than YUL. Do you have any stats that separate out sun flying at YUL?

No I dont, but we can compare peak winter (Q1) to peak summer (Q3) to see which one is more constant throughout the year.

During 2016, International traffic at YUL during Q1 was 77% that of Q3.
Transborder Q1 was 92% of Q3.

In 2016, YVR international passenger count during Q1 was 70.5% that of Q3.
YVR transborder in Q1 was 81% of Q3.

We can therefore agree that YUL does a better job matching its peak summer volume during the winter compared to YVR.

speedog Jul 26, 2017 1:17 PM

Shit, people just like to argue on this thread, YUL versus YVR, population versus traffic, etc, etc.. Such silliness.

SkahHigh Jul 26, 2017 1:33 PM

Yet another « my daddy is stronger than yours » argumentation spanning 3 pages.

G.S MTL Jul 26, 2017 2:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster (Post 7875502)
I'm not reading too much into their route map they showed. WS is still very YYC focused, one only needs to look at their international routes today to see YVR doesn't factor in the same way YYC does. Their London route is only seasonal at YVR and they've been adding routes from Calgary like Liberia, Nashville and Belize while only bumping up domestic flights at YVR. I think the bulk of the 787s will go to YYZ with a few to YYC and even fewer to YVR.

Actually.... I don't see them expanding too much with their new 787 at YYC... Maybe domestic flights with 787 like YYC-YYZ....and of course YYZ, we will definitely see WS 787s there. Also, I can see couple of YUL departures to Europe with their 787,...YYC doesn't have a massive international market... domestic is what dominates there!...... YVR has all the Asian flights. I can see WestJet using their 787s there. Anyway...we will have to wait and see.

LeftCoaster Jul 26, 2017 8:12 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 7876031)
No I dont, but we can compare peak winter (Q1) to peak summer (Q3) to see which one is more constant throughout the year.

During 2016, International traffic at YUL during Q1 was 77% that of Q3.
Transborder Q1 was 92% of Q3.

In 2016, YVR international passenger count during Q1 was 70.5% that of Q3.
YVR transborder in Q1 was 81% of Q3.

We can therefore agree that YUL does a better job matching its peak summer volume during the winter compared to YVR.

So it seems as though YVR is indeed more seasonal than YUL, but not by as much as I may have thought. I wonder how much sun flying props up those numbers for both airports too.

Even more surprising is YVRs falloff in Transborder numbers, I thought those would have stayed more constant as a lot of that is business traffic.

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Originally Posted by speedog (Post 7876041)
Shit, people just like to argue on this thread, YUL versus YVR, population versus traffic, etc, etc.. Such silliness.

I don't know who you're referring to but Nofly and I are having a civil discussion about seasonality of international air travel...

wave46 Jul 26, 2017 8:50 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 7876031)
We can therefore agree that YUL does a better job matching its peak summer volume during the winter compared to YVR.

I'm wondering if that's because the Quebec market alternates between sun vacations in the winter (like most of Canada) and European getaways in the summer as opposed to travelling domestically.

Looking at Air Transat for instance, it is almost as if it is two different airlines depending on season. During the winter, it is mostly a sun destination airline, whilst during the summer the bulk of the seats are to Europe.


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