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Before too long, Central Park Tower will be the dominating tower over the park...
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Out of all of these alleged sunlight blockers being built around Central Park...including 432& 157, in your own opinion, which will elicit the most favorable responses from both NYC residents and the millions of Architecturally minded tourists who visit every year?
For me, as a NYC and High Line resident, 157 is the most aesthetically pleasing and it has brought much favorable attention to the area. I believe even after the newest round of supertalls are complete, 157 will still be viewed as the first and most authentic addition of the next generation of high rise. residential buildings. As much as I love 432 for it's modern simplicity, the 'extras' on 157 place it far above all others, both finished and unfinished. Also the fact that it contains a high end luxury hotel gives tourists an opportunity to feel as though they have had a personal experience with the building. As a first time contributor, I just wanted to thank all of the dedicated forum readers who take time out of their busy NYC lives to post the pictures we all check in on a daily basis to 'study'. Without their input, the forum would not be what it is....the absolute best architecture website and forum in the world. |
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aww well, we can dream for more. |
https://therealdeal.com/2018/01/01/b...al-park-tower/
Barnett closes on $1B+ financing for Central Park Tower Tower, now fully funded, set to be NYC's most expensive condo project By Chava Gourarie January 01, 2018 Quote:
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Great news! Now Barnett is free to add the spire back into the design...:runaway:
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https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300576557.html
http://markets.businessinsider.com/n...rld-1012413694 Extell Development Company Closes On A $1.135 Billion Financing Package For Central Park Tower The Tallest Residential Building In The World PRESS RELEASE Jan. 2, 2018 Quote:
http://www.nasdaq.com/article/nordst...20180102-00435 Nordstrom To Hire 250 Employees For First Stand-alone Men's Store In Manhattan January 02, 2018 Quote:
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57th head-on fin the Cervantes photo might turn out to be kinda disappointing.
Nordstrom looks as if it will completely occlude 111W/Steinway and block out what will seem to be a nifty-looking "morph" of it and One57. |
https://therealdeal.com/2018/01/04/f...sales-gallery/
First look inside Extell’s Central Park Tower sales gallery $4B condo tower has a $95M penthouse By E.B. Solomont January 04, 2018 Quote:
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The interior finishes look pretty tacky.
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Way over the top interiors. Too many textures, heavily veined stones, metal? It looks more like a trashy hotel interior or club than a suitable luxurious home.
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For one thing there is no granite in any of those photos. That's all marble, the light being mirrored veined Carrara. Besides being the stone du jour for quite awhile now, I'm not sure how anyone could mistake it for flecked granite.
As for the rest of the model, the cabinetry is a little odd, they'll probably have a lot of buyers that don't like it and spec it out for something different. The rest looks like pretty par for the course super-high-end. Lookks good. |
Uploaded some photos from the link so you guys can fight over the finishes some more...:cool:
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Those kitchen cabinets would have to go... along with that rose-gold sink. Ew. But the bathrooms looks decent.
Edit: And just wanted to say - the glass is looking really blue. Is there still a protective film on it? |
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The glass on this tower will be of the highest quality.
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The hammered steel cabinets look wicked. Its amazing what the right textures can do for an interior. Speaking in general too. The right wood trim, cabinet texture/composition, and it can look like a million bucks. I wonder what the cost of a kitchen like that would be?
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More than it's worth?
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1 Vandy in that render looks to be the 1500 ft version going by the relative height of the PanAm building. The proportions are those for the 1500 ft version, it doesn't look squished like the current 1400' version. Is that an older render?
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I don't understand selling these units with pre-installed, pre-selected interiors ... for the prices they are charging the people buying them should be able to afford to have all the interior decorating done by contractors of their choosing. It would also reduce the cost of building the towers in the first place.
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Is 1 Vanderbilt also at a higher natural elevation like the Empire State Building?
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If owners want a clean slate, and use their own designers, that will be priced into the final sale. You would get a developer credit whether a 400k home in sprawlburbia Midwest or a $100 million Manhattan condo. |
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From before bomb cyclone.
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While I'm extremely happy these monster towers are popping up near the park I can't help but feel bad for the people who's view they block, causing their property value to just plummet I imagine. Although I'm sure they saw it coming at some point.
Oh well, such is life in the skyscraper kingdom I suppose. :) |
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Pricing wise from a developer standpoint, sure... developers can charge ridiculous prices for top views, but there are apartments facing blank walls that are worth more than most houses. And the price of the unit relative to the market continues to rise. Even than, look at the pricing for Verre or One57 on the lower levels. Still over a million or even 432 Park. Even if there is an apartment with one window, facing a Gene Kaufman blank wall thats 3' away from it, people will still buy it. You could build a shit box on Broadway and 34th, and people will buy it. Even if its the ugliest looking tower out there, location location location!!! |
https://therealdeal.com/2018/01/11/t...s-in-no-hurry/
The clock’s ticking on Extell’s Central Park Tower. Here’s why the market is in no hurry Pads priced between $30M and $40M took 261 days to sell in 2017 By E.B. Solomont January 11, 2018 Quote:
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For all we know, 220CPS prolly would've had a huge blank wall--textured perhaps--but a blank wall nonetheless if it didn't have the addy it enjoys now. As for Nordstrom, apparently the blank wall beneath the cantilever is still that, which might affect the overal street-level ambience (I know it's a retail-based tower; but...). I hope that makes sense. |
When it comes to design, a lot is at stake. Does design have a role in the marketing and desirability of the tower, sure. Does the architect think of design as an extension of his artistic vision and skills? Of course.
Architects and designers are artists. They provide the computational power of the left hemisphere of the their brain into designing and creating elaborate patters, designs, angles... that all coincide with the vision of the client or the developer. And sometimes blank walls will be a portion of it. Now keep in mind not all architects or designers are stellar. They have to balance out their own vision, with the vision of the developer. Engineering, limitations of the site relative to their surroundings, all play a role in the design. Even how people react with the interior plays a role in the design. When it comes to prices though, desirability and location over-rule design. Some people only care about a roof over their head. |
If it's relevant, the aspects you mentioned are what shape up-and-coming skylines like Austin and booming ones like Miami, Philly and, to a lesser extent, Frisco, LA, Chcago and even Detroit(!).
That and sundry economic factors. Now let's start peelng off that blue protective stuff and see what the renders have only given us an artificial glimpse of. |
^Philly's booming? I don't know. It is my hometown and I love it, but we've only got 2 buildings over 500 feet under construction right now.
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The lower floors will all be finished according to their brochures with substantial upgrades made available for a pocket full of coin. Most new developments will offer you that option if you want to do your own thing....with each building having their own set of rules and policies. I see both positive and negative points with these options. On the positive you don't have to do a thing but sign the contract. BUT with your signature comes additional fees to finish as indicated. On the negative, I feel when you are spending $125 mil for a top floor penthouse, NOTHING should carry an extra fee. It appears the builders and developers believe once they have you, they can take your bank account and then the fun (for them) begins. Our highline fronting unit came fully built out as indicated in their plans but we asked if we were able to make some common sense changes and they agreed. The extra work was equal to what they charged us so it was not a big deal. I tell you, placement of doors and storage cabinets makes a huge difference....and having his and his master bathrooms would have turned out to be wasted space. We took that space and added a significant amount of room for a sitting/media area. I cannot begin to imagine the excitement/anticipation/frustration of buying and owning one of the penthouses in any of these super talls! Having a year or two of waiting after your purchase would make me go nuts waiting.... |
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A skyline view, pre CP tower taking its place as tallest in Midtown....at this point it's just another skyscraper in Manhattan. Paul Jarvie https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4696/3...a507ed0d_k.jpg |
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---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyway, does anyone else think the lack of a spire or antenna here is going to throw the skyline off a bit? Maybe it's just because so many of NYC's tallest (1WTC, ESB, One Vanderbilt, even Chrysler) have spires, and it seems strange that Midtown's tallest would just have a flat roof like that. |
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I've been saying that for a while. Though the tower could have been designed to better accommodate a spire, the skyline of New York should always be crowned by a spire. It's the classic skyline. No one draws a flat-topped skyline. http://ricastudio.com/wp-content/upl...enHighline.jpg http://ricastudio.com/ |
I noticed the cpt with its spire sharply domine the skyline
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These buildings are already "spire-thin" to begin with.
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I’m probably in the minority at this point but I think CPT will look pretty good without the spire. I feel like it will have a pretty distinct, prominent crown with those vertical slit thingies (fins? louvers?) above that last setback at the penthouse level. I think to add a spire back on would feel kind of tacked-on and wouldn’t really integrate well with the building unless the design were altered. It’s also such a slender building that I think the whole “flat roof” debate is sort of rendered moot.
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