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rthomasd May 23, 2018 10:41 PM

Last we heard they were going to demolish the building all the way down to the Scotiabank and rebuild.
A key question was if this new Shoppers was to replace the Shoppers in the Square and the ( as yet still not started ) Shoppers at Empire/Freshwater.

detroitdan1982 May 28, 2018 11:37 PM

Apparently a North Atlantic gas station and Dairy Queen are going on this site

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arrakis (Post 8162637)
I was up on Kelsey Drive today and a large parcel of land is being development just as your turn onto Kelsey Drive from Kenmount Road right below the TD Bank and Marks Work Wearhouse. The entrance would likely be at the Kiwanis Drive intersection. Anyone hear of what might be going there?


Arrakis May 29, 2018 2:00 AM

Dairy Queen and North Atlantic must really be in expansion mode.

Quote:

Originally Posted by detroitdan1982 (Post 8202545)
Apparently a North Atlantic gas station and Dairy Queen are going on this site


goodgrowth May 29, 2018 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arrakis (Post 8202667)
Dairy Queen and North Atlantic must really be in expansion mode.

Dairy Queen is kinda weird...it has a full fast food menu like you'd get at any other fast food place(ie burgers and fries) but I think most only think of it as an ice cream place.

Arrakis May 29, 2018 6:10 PM

I think in the early days in St John’s, during the late 60’s or early 70’s when the first DQ opened on Topsail road and in the Avalon Mall in 1967 which was mostly just dairy products then, but today I think everyone knows it’s all about the Grill and Chill. I like their burgers more than McDonald’s.


Quote:

Originally Posted by goodgrowth (Post 8202829)
Dairy Queen is kinda weird...it has a full fast food menu like you'd get at any other fast food place(ie burgers and fries) but I think most only think of it as an ice cream place.


Larla77 Jun 15, 2018 6:47 PM

Pet Valu is opening next to Party City on Hebron Way in the new extension to that building. Party City itself is also expanding into the new addition as well.

Whink is moving to Churchill Square and out of downtown. Pretty soon downtown will be mostly pot shops.

elizabethf1985 Jun 16, 2018 11:56 AM

I’m not sure if this is the right place for this (not sure where the right place would be) but GoodLife Torbay Road club is moving to the Torbay Road Mall. The signs say October 2018 expected to open. It’ll be nice to move it out of the current location - not a fan of that spot right now. Plus this will be a brand new spot with lots more room and lots of parking that’s really only going to be shared by Shoppers. Looking forward to it.

Sox Jun 20, 2018 3:42 PM

Home Hardware
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by elizabethf1985 (Post 8223056)
I’m not sure if this is the right place for this (not sure where the right place would be) but GoodLife Torbay Road club is moving to the Torbay Road Mall. The signs say October 2018 expected to open. It’ll be nice to move it out of the current location - not a fan of that spot right now. Plus this will be a brand new spot with lots more room and lots of parking that’s really only going to be shared by Shoppers. Looking forward to it.

I also heard through the grapevine, that Home Hardware was opening up in this plaza as well ( not sure if this is true or not ). If this is indeed true, the parking issue will definitely rear its ugly head ! This lot is not all that big, especially if its servicing the mall, Shoppers, GoodLife and a Home Hardware . Could be a parking nightmare .

colinpeddle Jun 20, 2018 5:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sox (Post 8227186)
Could be a parking nightmare .

Truthfully, it's not a great lot to get around in up near shoppers/torbay road side and down closer to Tim's. They'll hopefully do some work on the medians/dividers/paint in that lot to organize it more. Perhaps this is what they've been waiting for.

rthomasd Jun 20, 2018 7:42 PM

Looks like there's a demolition in progress for 323 Kenmount ( Christmas / Halloween warehouse ) at the intersection of Kenmount / Kelsey. I don't remember seeing any plans for that site.

MelH Jun 26, 2018 1:17 PM

I assume its ok to include Mount Pearl development in this thread? Someone re-direct me if not.

Looks like there will be a new Winners/Homesense opening in Mt Pearl...no idea where though. Near Wal-Mart? Is there any land left there for development?

https://jobs.tjx.com/job/Mount-Pearl...-NL/479526200/

rthomasd Jun 26, 2018 1:47 PM

I had heard that's going to be in Danny's Galway development ??

NewfBC Jun 26, 2018 3:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MelH (Post 8233096)
I assume its ok to include Mount Pearl development in this thread? Someone re-direct me if not.

Looks like there will be a new Winners/Homesense opening in Mt Pearl...no idea where though. Near Wal-Mart? Is there any land left there for development?

https://jobs.tjx.com/job/Mount-Pearl...-NL/479526200/

I haven't seen a combined Marshalls/Homesense yet. Have seen many Winners/Homesense.

Ron.

rthomasd Jun 26, 2018 6:54 PM

About 3 weeks ago it was reported that Marshall, Homesense and PetSmart would be part of Galway.
TJX Canada Spokeperson, Erin O'Brien confirmed at that time that Marshalls and Homesense would be coming to Galway in Spring 2019 and a construction tender had been called.

Perhaps they think Mt Pearl is part of St. John's.

SpongeG Jun 26, 2018 9:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewfBC (Post 8233239)
I haven't seen a combined Marshalls/Homesense yet. Have seen many Winners/Homesense.

Ron.

There is one in Edmonton at Manning Town Centre. Have been there a few years ago. Its Marshalls connected to Homesense.

J_Murphy Jun 28, 2018 12:45 PM

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After close to two years without an anchor tenant at the Torbay Road Mall in St. John’s, the property will be home to at least three new commercial tenants this year.

Montreal-based Toulon Development Corporation is in the process of renovating a sizeable portion of the facility, originally built in the early 1970s, to become the new home for a Good Life Fitness and a Home Hardware.


Documents on the Toulon website indicate that Goodlife — replacing the fitness chain’s location in Torbay Road Plaza — will have a 22,492-square foot footprint, while Home Hardware will occupy 29,000 square feet. Both spaces combined were formerly home to an ICT Group call centre — closed in the spring of 2014 — and many years before that was occupied by a Zellers department store, which ceased operation in 1996.

Before those operations get underway, the newest tenant will be Global Pet Foods, the largest Canadian-owned specialty retailer catering to all things pets.

The Atlantic Canada-based operation will occupy a 4,000-square foot home in between East Coast Mortgages and Campus Rings.

Floor plans for the building indicate there is still some commercial space available for lease.

Meanwhile, long time tenants China House Restaurant are looking to sell the business, hoping someone will keep the 40-year-old Chinese food restaurant alive.

Not too far down the road from the Torbay Road Mall, Breen’s Deli at 44 Elizabeth Avenue is closed permanently after the owners decided not to renew the lease with Parkland Fuel, the building’s owner.

The Logy Bay Road location and the Portugal Cove deli and convenience store remain open for business.

•••

Since opening its doors in Kelligrews in 2012, Tiny’s Bar and Grill has built a loyal following and customer base.

Now the restaurant, owned and operated by Conception Bay South entrepreneur Dave Cluney, has expanded into St. John’s, taking up residence in the former home of Redrock Bar & Grill at 686 Topsail Road.

Redrock closed its doors last January, after nearly eight years in business

•••
For those curious about what’s going on at the corner of Kenmount Road and Kelsey Drive, a previously unoccupied lot, sources say it is going to be a North Atlantic gas bar and orange store.

A number of the older homes and sheds nearby on Kenmount Road have since been demolished.

•••

TJX Companies must be doing well with its first Newfoundland Marshalls location on Stavanger Drive, because the parent company is advertising for a number of management positions for a new Marshalls HomeSense location planned for Mount Pearl








http://www.thetelegram.com/business/...-johns-222063/

Sox Jun 28, 2018 12:51 PM

Firstly:
how many pet supply stores can we possibly need in this goddamn city ?? Seems like a new one opens up every week. There's no way they can all survive !
Let me guess Dollarama will also be opening in Galway, with Tim's Hortons next door ???
Just going to be all the same stores we already have . Blah blah blah

Second:
If the Marshall's is anything like that piece of trash store on Stavanger drive, count this guy out , as being a customer .

I suspect Galway is going to be nothing more than re-hash of Stavanger drive. All the same stores, nothing different. Costco will be the draw, and then all the familiar stores, will open second or third or fourth locations, just to be close to Costco. Why can't we get an IKEA or AMC Theatres or Bass pro shop, or Forever 21 .......Something different for God's sake !

My rant for the day. I know my people have the same thoughts as well.

J_Murphy Jun 28, 2018 4:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sox (Post 8235673)
Firstly:
how many pet supply stores can we possibly need in this goddamn city ?? Seems like a new one opens up every week. There's no way they can all survive !

I thought the same thing. The selection of dog clothing in this City is better than the selection of men's clothing ffs.

Larla77 Jun 28, 2018 5:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sox (Post 8235673)
I suspect Galway is going to be nothing more than re-hash of Stavanger drive. All the same stores, nothing different. Costco will be the draw, and then all the familiar stores, will open second or third or fourth locations, just to be close to Costco. Why can't we get an IKEA or AMC Theatres or Bass pro shop, or Forever 21 .......Something different for God's sake !

My rant for the day. I know my people have the same thoughts as well.

I seem to recall that when Galway was first announced they were going to have stores just like that - ones we didn't have and that were new to the province. Looks like Danny wasn't able to make that happen for all his bluster.

Arrakis Jun 28, 2018 5:11 PM

Why would you think it would be any different than any of the other big box parks? The Shoppes At Galway is being run by Plaza.ca which owns and runs the Village Mall. So if you go to their tenant list you’ll likely see what’s likely to appear at Galway.

A full size IKEA store would never survive here with a population base of St. John’s. We would need at least double the city population plus being isolated here doesn’t help either. They may however open a smaller pickup store which they announced last year for locations in Canada.

I agree with your comment on pet stores though. It’s kinda crazy how many are in metro.

I would imagine once the new renovations and additional retail space is complete at Avalon Mall, you will likely see Forever 21, H&M set up there.

I’m not really getting why people are so infatuated with Forever 21 and H&M. They are just clothing stores like all the others.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sox (Post 8235673)
Firstly:
how many pet supply stores can we possibly need in this goddamn city ?? Seems like a new one opens up every week. There's no way they can all survive !
Let me guess Dollarama will also be opening in Galway, with Tim's Hortons next door ???
Just going to be all the same stores we already have . Blah blah blah

Second:
If the Marshall's is anything like that piece of trash store on Stavanger drive, count this guy out , as being a customer .

I suspect Galway is going to be nothing more than re-hash of Stavanger drive. All the same stores, nothing different. Costco will be the draw, and then all the familiar stores, will open second or third or fourth locations, just to be close to Costco. Why can't we get an IKEA or AMC Theatres or Bass pro shop, or Forever 21 .......Something different for God's sake !

My rant for the day. I know my people have the same thoughts as well.


djslue Jun 28, 2018 5:13 PM

Bass Pro Shop or Cabelas would do amazing here in my opinion. Only thing is it would hurt some of the MANY outdoor/hunting shops in the city

Arrakis Jun 28, 2018 5:27 PM

Why would you think it would be any different than any of the other big box parks? The Shoppes At Galway is being run by Plaza.ca which owns and runs the Village Mall. So if you go to their tenant list you’ll likely see what’s likely to appear at Galway.

A full size IKEA store would never survive here with a population base of St. John’s. We would need at least double the city population plus being isolated here doesn’t help either. They may however open a smaller pickup store which they announced last year for locations in Canada.

I agree with your comment on pet stores though. It’s kinda crazy how many are in metro.

I would imagine once the new renovations and additional retail space is complete at Avalon Mall, you will likely see Forever 21, H&M set up there.

I’m not really getting why people are so infatuated with Forever 21 and H&M. They are just clothing stores like all the others.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sox (Post 8235673)
Firstly:
how many pet supply stores can we possibly need in this goddamn city ?? Seems like a new one opens up every week. There's no way they can all survive !
Let me guess Dollarama will also be opening in Galway, with Tim's Hortons next door ???
Just going to be all the same stores we already have . Blah blah blah

Second:
If the Marshall's is anything like that piece of trash store on Stavanger drive, count this guy out , as being a customer .

I suspect Galway is going to be nothing more than re-hash of Stavanger drive. All the same stores, nothing different. Costco will be the draw, and then all the familiar stores, will open second or third or fourth locations, just to be close to Costco. Why can't we get an IKEA or AMC Theatres or Bass pro shop, or Forever 21 .......Something different for God's sake !

My rant for the day. I know my people have the same thoughts as well.


jeddy1989 Jun 28, 2018 9:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arrakis (Post 8236032)
Why would you think it would be any different than any of the other big box parks? The Shoppes At Galway is being run by Plaza.ca which owns and runs the Village Mall. So if you go to their tenant list you’ll likely see what’s likely to appear at Galway.

A full size IKEA store would never survive here with a population base of St. John’s. We would need at least double the city population plus being isolated here doesn’t help either. They may however open a smaller pickup store which they announced last year for locations in Canada.

I agree with your comment on pet stores though. It’s kinda crazy how many are in metro.

I would imagine once the new renovations and additional retail space is complete at Avalon Mall, you will likely see Forever 21, H&M set up there.

I’m not really getting why people are so infatuated with Forever 21 and H&M. They are just clothing stores like all the others.


The "population is too small for IKEA" argument is a crock. I've been to the one in Linkoping in Sweden which has a metro population of 155K. There's even one in Sundsvall which only has 95k people. I think people assume our population is too small for stuff as a default excuse. Even Reykjavik has one.
:shrug:

Arrakis Jun 28, 2018 11:13 PM

Say what you will. I feel the chances of a full size IKEA coming to town here is very unlikely, plus our population dwindles every year.

I’m sure all the market and business studies were probably done too in the past to see if was viable here.

I really dont think people here would support that type of store here anyway on a continued sustained basis. I think the novelty would wear off quickly. Just my opinion.

It’s only natural for Ikea’s Scandinavian style to be more popular near its home market in Europe. Prob why smaller markets there support it like in Iceland.

There’s so many different factors at play before a company can decide if a certain place is worthy of investing in.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeddy1989 (Post 8236366)
The "population is too small for IKEA" argument is a crock. I've been to the one in Linkoping in Sweden which has a metro population of 155K. There's even one in Sundsvall which only has 95k people. I think people assume our population is too small for stuff as a default excuse. Even Reykjavik has one.
:shrug:


elizabethf1985 Jul 4, 2018 12:57 PM

Belbin's Grocery has sold their store to Colemans. This was posted on their Facebook page this morning:

"Take good care of your staff and customers, and you’ll make a decent living. And who knows? Eventually, the likes of Colemans might come knocking on the door.” That was the advice Robert Belbin received from his father some 30 years ago. Today, his prediction came true: We’re proud to announce that Belbin’s Grocery has officially joined the Colemans family. As we enter this new chapter, our beloved customers can expect the same quality products and service they’ve always received from our home on Quidi Vidi Road. We thank you for these 75 years and we look forward to continuing to serve you. Read the official press release here: https://bit.ly/2KJ91wH.

They said the name will remain Belbin's Grocery, which I think is nice. I've been going there since I was a child.

Larla77 Jul 4, 2018 1:07 PM

New article about the Avalon Mall expansion including some sketches that seem new to me. After the redevelopment/expansion they'll have 20,000 more square feet and room for 36 new tenants.

https://www.retail-insider.com/retai...-Pf-A.twitter=

Arrakis Jul 4, 2018 4:46 PM

Great article. Thanks for posting link. The pics look awesome. Gonna really be exciting when all enovations are complete.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larla77 (Post 8241111)
New article about the Avalon Mall expansion including some sketches that seem new to me. After the redevelopment/expansion they'll have 20,000 more square feet and room for 36 new tenants.

https://www.retail-insider.com/retai...-Pf-A.twitter=


SpongeG Jul 4, 2018 9:21 PM

spending millions to renovate and they leave that 80s/90s tubular looking awning thing over a window lol

https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...pg?format=750w

Arrakis Jul 4, 2018 10:24 PM

Give em a break man. They just started the renos will be continuing them over the next few years.


Quote:

Originally Posted by SpongeG (Post 8241558)
spending millions to renovate and they leave that 80s/90s tubular looking awning thing over a window lol

https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...pg?format=750w


Marty_Mcfly Jul 5, 2018 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpongeG (Post 8241558)
spending millions to renovate and they leave that 80s/90s tubular looking awning thing over a window lol

https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...pg?format=750w

I can't tell if this is just a sketch for the Rec Room addition which is currently being built, or if it's for everything. Since the entire mall exterior is about to remodeled, I imagine pretty much all of the ground level won't look like that when it's done, and will probably match the exterior images from the article.

That little arch has always made me lol though. It's a back entrance through the mall, and I think it's been like that since the mall opened :haha:

Arrakis Jul 5, 2018 5:35 PM

Was looking at other pics of Rec Rooms across Canada and it seems that this design is exclusive to the Rec Room look and feel and not the entire mall’s future look.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Marty_Mcfly (Post 8241678)
I can't tell if this is just a sketch for the Rec Room addition which is currently being built, or if it's for everything. Since the entire mall exterior is about to remodeled, I imagine pretty much all of the ground level won't look like that when it's done, and will probably match the exterior images from the article.

That little arch has always made me lol though. It's a back entrance through the mall, and I think it's been like that since the mall opened :haha:


Arrakis Jul 6, 2018 9:41 PM

Was driving by there yesterday and that little 1980’s style arch over the Thorburn entrance has been removed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marty_Mcfly (Post 8241678)
I can't tell if this is just a sketch for the Rec Room addition which is currently being built, or if it's for everything. Since the entire mall exterior is about to remodeled, I imagine pretty much all of the ground level won't look like that when it's done, and will probably match the exterior images from the article.

That little arch has always made me lol though. It's a back entrance through the mall, and I think it's been like that since the mall opened :haha:


Marty_Mcfly Jul 6, 2018 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arrakis (Post 8243712)
Was driving by there yesterday and that little 1980’s style arch over the Thorburn entrance has been removed.

I was going to post this too. Drove past yesterday evening and it was gone. End of an era :haha:

cdotr Jul 13, 2018 4:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marty_Mcfly (Post 8241678)
That little arch has always made me lol though. It's a back entrance through the mall, and I think it's been like that since the mall opened :haha:

That little arch entrance is early 90s. I believe it looked different when it was the exclusive entrance for the local department store Ayre's which closed in 1991.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayre_and_Sons

Arrakis Jul 13, 2018 6:52 PM

I think we have given this far more discussion than it deserves. Lol.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdotr (Post 8249733)
That little arch entrance is early 90s. I believe it looked different when it was the exclusive entrance for the local department store Ayre's which closed in 1991.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayre_and_Sons


Arrakis Jul 13, 2018 6:59 PM

End of an era for what use to be the original Canadian Tire on Kenmount Rd., then a drug store before becoming a strip mall. It’s being demolished now to make way for the Avalon Malls reconfigured parking lot as part of the mall’s ongoing renovation which will eventually see about one third of the Sears building being demolished too and the parking lot in front of the former sears being enclosed as part of the mall.

Crisisnf Jul 16, 2018 1:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arrakis (Post 8250265)
End of an era for what use to be the original Canadian Tire on Kenmount Rd., then a drug store before becoming a strip mall. It’s being demolished now to make way for the Avalon Malls reconfigured parking lot as part of the mall’s ongoing renovation which will eventually see about one third of the Sears building being demolished too and the parking lot in front of the former sears being enclosed as part of the mall.

Musta been before CT was in the Cora's space on Kenmount? I don't remember them being in the Mall parking lot.

Crisisnf Jul 16, 2018 1:49 AM

Saw some activity at the former Rogers location on Merchant Drive the other day...anyone know what's going on there?

NewfBC Jul 16, 2018 4:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crisisnf (Post 8252008)
Musta been before CT was in the Cora's space on Kenmount? I don't remember them being in the Mall parking lot.

Just before.. they moved there from the location in front of the Mall. That location than was a Lawtons before that moved in to the Mall to replace Trans Canada Drugs. Then it was divided up with many different retailers over the years. Wacky Wheatleys had a large space there at one time.

Ron.

colinpeddle Jul 16, 2018 5:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewfBC (Post 8252152)
Wacky Wheatleys

Oh the memories just came flooding back.

Arrakis Jul 16, 2018 7:20 PM

Yes, it was indeed before CT had moved to the Cora’s building. The CT on the mall parking lot was around the same time when the Avalon Mall originally opened in 1967 or late 60’s into the 70’s. It remained there into the 1970’s until it moved to a larger location further up Kenmount Road (Cora’s building) and finally to Kelsey Drive.




Quote:

Originally Posted by Crisisnf (Post 8252008)
Musta been before CT was in the Cora's space on Kenmount? I don't remember them being in the Mall parking lot.


Tocchet22 Jul 17, 2018 5:25 PM

Video of building demo in link.

http://www.thetelegram.com/business/...-johns-225917/

colinpeddle Jul 17, 2018 9:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tocchet22 (Post 8253686)

I feel like the Telegram sources a lot of information from this forum.

Arrakis Jul 30, 2018 9:38 PM

Details coming tomorrow on the McNamara development.

http://vocm.com/news/details-on-new-...iled-tomorrow/

statbass Jul 30, 2018 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arrakis (Post 8267005)
Details coming tomorrow on the McNamara development.

http://vocm.com/news/details-on-new-...iled-tomorrow/

I drove past the site today and workers were putting up a billboard sign. Looks to be about 5-6 buildings. There will be a Dollarama, Shoppers, Starbucks, East Side Mario's and more.

djslue Jul 31, 2018 1:03 AM

Not another Dollarama.... A new East side Mario's would be good though. I feel the other one is very run down. Nothing updated in years!

Darkfire Jul 31, 2018 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crisisnf (Post 8252011)
Saw some activity at the former Rogers location on Merchant Drive the other day...anyone know what's going on there?

getting split into 3 units, the side closest to CIBC is becoming Harveys, the side closest to Arizona Heat is Tommy Guns Barbour Shop and the middle is unleased as far as i know.

Offshore1 Jul 31, 2018 11:15 AM

Yay - another Dollarama and yet another Cara restaurant.:uhh:

statbass Jul 31, 2018 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Offshore1 (Post 8267516)
Yay - another Dollarama and yet another Cara restaurant.:uhh:

As much as I agree with you - Paradise does lack a discount dollar store so I think a Dollarama will do very well there. East Side Mario's is a decent choice in my mind - not mind blowing by no means. It's only the second location in the city and the first one is old now and not much has been done with it in years. When you think about it, this is the first franchise restaurant (other than fast food) in the town. Plus, it's hard not to have a Cara franchise... it seems like they own everything! Starbucks is a pleasant surprise, I wasn't expecting that. I'm intrigued by what else is going in there.

goodgrowth Jul 31, 2018 12:57 PM

I think there is/was a Great Canadian Dollar Store next to West Side Charlies in Paradise...though I don't think that would really compare to a Dollarama..

Either way in my opinion when it comes to Paradise it's just about getting some retail in general. It probably has almost the same population as Mount Pearl now yet significantly less retail options...


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