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I couldn't even move from my seat until they kicked me out... :(
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Speaking of SD stadium, to my surprise the topic is not included on tomorrow's CCAC agenda. Mostly CUP's and medijuana.
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So here is a question for all of you San Diego skyscraper enthusiasts:
What do you think of the East Village? Is there hope for this area of downtown? If so, what do you envision going in there to help catalyze future growth? |
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Last night at the CCAC meeting, the committee voted unanimously to start the process (should take 12-18 months) to raise the cap on how much CCDC could collect in tax increment to eliminate urban blight and redevelop downtown from now til 2043. The cap sits now at around 2.8 billion, and could increase up to 7 billion according to Frank Alessi of CCDC. Many of us had concerns about what this extra money was for, although talk of a stadium did occur, the reason the committee voted unanimously was with the current money and cap in place there wouldn't be enough money to do all that is needed to see the downtown community plan come to fruition (stadium aside).
I think however that this is laying the groundwork for a backdoor deal between the mayor's office, CCDC, and the Chargers to funnel more money their way to see a stadium be built. Although I am not a huge fan (still on the fence in fact) of having a stadium built in the east village, it would take a lot of money (way more than the cap and budget has) to develop the bus depot site. Although not specified in the community plan that the bus depot should be a football stadium, in fact the plan calls for everything but a massive stadium, the bus depot will be redeveloped and moved elsewhere in the city hopefully before the end of our lifetime(s). |
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A pretty decent proposal for the stadium and other stuff........
Found this on another thread. These are two retired san diegans trying to help out
LaPlayaHeritage Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 19 Smile Ballot Question for the November 2, 2010 Public Vote Proposition – New downtown Chargers stadium and redevelopment of the City-owned Mission Valley site. January 23, 2010, by Katheryn Rhodes and Conrad Hartsell MD, rhodes@laplayaheritage.com 619-523-4350. Ballot Question for November 2, 2010 Public Vote: Shall the People of the City of San Diego prepare land in the East Village area of downtown San Diego for a new multi-purpose Chargers NFL Stadium/Convention and Event Center and Build the Permanent Homeless Shelter using CCDC Redevelopment Funds; create a intergovernmental structure with the County of San Diego Association of Governments (SANDAG) to finance construction of the Regional asset; and Redevelop the City-owned 166-acre Mission Valley site into a 75-acre River Front park, a Fire Station, and housing specifically for college students, staff, and faculty; Veterans; and seniors displaced from the closing of mobile home parks? Preparation of public land in the East Village to be financed using City of San Diego taxpayers’ CCDC Redevelopment Funds: · Relocate the MTS Maintenance Yard to other City of San Diego vehicle facilities yards. · Buy 2.5 acres of private land needed for the project footprint. · Remove the contaminated soils created by the City of San Diego from under the proposed site. · Construct the Basement Level for a new multi-purpose structure. · Incorporate adaptive reuse of the Historically Designated Wonder Bread building into the new design and require all archaeological artifacts recovered to be properly cared for at the San Diego Archaeological Center at San Pasqual. · Incorporate public restrooms and drinking fountains accessible from the street for public use. · Resolve the Homeless problem in downtown San Diego, by in part, building the Permanent Homeless Shelter before a stadium is occupied. Create a Intergovernmental structure with the County of San Diego Association of Governments (SANDAG) to finance the public’s cost of building the Stadium/Convention and Event Center structure, in cooperation with the Chargers organization and the NFL. · Chargers have pledge $200 million and the NFL has pledge $100 million for construction of a new NFL Stadium. · The balance of construction costs for the new building would come from the County of San Diego Association of Governments (SANDAG) who have access to State and Federal Stimulus Fund for regional assets. Redevelop the City-owned 166-acre Mission Valley site. · Create a Redevelopment Project Area. · Create a 75-acre public park along the San Diego River and build a new Mission Valley Fire Station on the 82-acres of City of San Diego Water Department owned land. · Sell a portion of the 84 acres of developable land to San Diego State University (SDSU) for student, staff, and faculty housing with proceeds from the sale of the public land used to finance the 75-acre public park, fire station, and affordable housing for seniors and Veterans. · Set aside a portion of the 84 acres of developable land for the creation of Veterans Housing for returning Veterans, disabled Veterans, and Veterans attending college on the GI Bill. · Construct very low affordable housing for seniors displaced by the closing of mobile home parks on a portion of the 84 acres of developable land. New revenue streams for the City of San Diego taxpayers would be created by the Redevelopment of publically owned City of San Diego land including: · The 166-acre Mission Valley Site with a 75-acre park, a new Fire Station, and housing. · The 67-acre Sports Arena property in the Midway area for mixed-use and affordable housing when the lease expires in 2017. · A new planned hotel on the 76-acre site of the De Anza Mobile Home Park in Mission Bay. |
But What About The Walkability Of The Neighborhood???!!!
Poor Bums Are Going To Have To Walk All Around The Stadium Cuz They Could Just Cut Through The Mts Yard! |
All talk, no action. ;)
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why don't they build the homeless shelter in the mixed use redeveloped area in Mission Valley?
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^ Donna Frye would complain about the height. :haha:
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All right, looks like something is actually getting built downtown despite the recession. Too bad it's the new cruise ship terminal, which, if I recall correctly, received negative comments from most of the regulars in this thread.
From the Union-Tribune: http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/...34634cbc5420f3 http://www.signonsandiego.com/photos...jan/23/102449/ |
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1) Multiple items are included in this single ballot measure? Stadium, low-income housing, public bathrooms, homeless housing/shelter, Mission Valley site re-use.... where does it end? Seems like too much on one ballot... I encourage splitting them up. 2) Regardless of a ballot measure outcome, cooperation is needed from the transit agency - they are essentially a state agency and and have their own mission. |
Why must they feel the need to send things to the ballot? Just fucking do shit and get it done!! :)
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CCDC Board Meeting, tomorrow Wednesday, January 27, 2010 at 9:00 am, 401 B Street, Suite 400, downtown San Diego.
http://www.ccdc.com/events/resources/Agenda30.pdf Agenda Item 12. Evolution Media Capital, LLC. Informational Item regarding the financial feasibility of reusing the MTS site for a stadium |
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@dillonliam is providing amazing live updates via twitter on the stadium talks in CCDC right now
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If the downtown stadium ends up on the ballot stadium proponents better use this shot in the campaign ads:
http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/...037__t290.jpg? |
I support this stadium. I wonder if it really will come to fruition!:notacrook:
And yes SD forumers I've turned over a new leaf I am no longer the SD bashing troll you know me by so please do forgive me. |
Consultant: New Stadium Needs Shared Financing
The cost of building stadiums for professional sports franchises has increased beyond the ability for owners or even public entities to pay for them alone, a consultant hired by the Centre City Development Corp. said Wednesday.
Stadium price tags skyrocketed beginning around 2002, leading to the $1.2 billion stadium opened during the current NFL season for the Dallas Cowboys, said Mitchell Ziets, who made a presentation to the CCDC board of directors. Ziets provided background information that CCDC officials hope will help them negotiate a financial package for the Chargers to build a stadium in downtown San Diego. "We're a long way from any kind of football stadium yet," CCDC Chairman Fred Maas said. All 11 NFL stadiums built or renovated since 2002 were funded by a mix of public and private financing, with multiple jurisdictions often being involved, said Ziets, of Evolution Media Capital in New York City. Ford Field, the stadium for the Detroit Lions, was built with the participation of the city and county, according to Ziets. Lucas Oil Stadium was built for the Indianapolis Colts with the help of several counties, and other stadiums received financing from state governments, he said. The Chargers said for several years they wanted to privately finance a new home. But when the site at the edge of East Village became the last viable alternative, they conceded that public financing would be required. The trend, however, is for NFL owners to shoulder a greater share of the financial burden, Ziets said. "Teams are willing to put more (money) in," he said. "Are they willing to fund it themselves? No." He said teams in the biggest markets were willing to put in more money for stadium construction. San Diego is traditionally considered a small sports market, but since Los Angeles doesn't have a professional football team, the definition of the local market is less precise. * Ziets' report did include several nuggets for those who support the downtown stadium idea: * Since the early 1990s, 27 of 38 stadium referendums in all professional sports were passed by voters. Of the 11 that failed, 10 were eventually built after passing a later vote, gaining legislative approval or obtaining private financing * Around the new millenium, a stadium being a catalyst for nearby development was just an idea, but now it's reality, with recent examples being the Padres' Petco Park and Staples Center in Los Angeles * The Florida Marlins of Major League Baseball managed to attract financing for a new stadium despite a small fan base and poor economic conditions similar to those of California Lenders who have not been involved in stadium financing in the past are more interested now Maas said Ziets will return in two to three months with a report that's more precise about the situation in San Diego, and he hopes the Chargers will have completed a financial feasibility plan by then regarding the East Village site. http://www.10news.com/news/22358446/detail.html |
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This thread is about San Diego. So leave politics and Obama out of it. If you want to talk politics, this isn't the thread for it. Last warning.
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Damn it. I missed something. Does anybody want to send me a PM and fill me in? :)
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O good that was resolved. Anyway, I was checking out some stuff related to the trolley and it got me thinking, whatever happened to the mid coast study to La Jolla? Is that shelved or still in the works or what? Also, along Morena, that would be 6 tracks going down there if HSR and Trolley get built. Is there room for that?
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Here is more information on the MidCoast Trolley extension: http://www.sandag.org/index.asp?proj...rojects.detail |
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Stalled projects?! My favorite. :)
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^ Sounds similar to what I'm working on in Honolulu right now. The rail line across the southern stretch of Oahu was supposed to be elevated. Now the state practically wants to start over and build the entire thing on ground-level.
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Someone needs to tell Sheri Lightner to shut up!
What is with this city?! |
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dl3000 - An organization has now been formed to "save the Rose Canyon from rail." This Rose Canyon is the current preferred alignment for the HSR and Mid-Coast Trolley extension. Currently the Amtrack runs through there.
This organized group of individuals have been working with Sherri Lightner and the CA HSR to move the line to continue down I-15 and stop in Mission Valley. From what I understand those in opposition to the current proposed line through UTC, down the I-5, by Old Town, the airport, then downtown SD have raised such a fuss that HSR is seriously considering moving the project. And I've been told the HSR will announce the final preferred route this month. |
The CA HSR set up a special mailbox because of the large amount of complaints they were getting about the Rose Canyon.
Anyone interested in voicing their concerns or stating your support for keeping the preferred route the same can email: rosecanyon@san.rr.com and comments@hsr.ca.gov |
what the heck....screw Rose Canyon
build the Regents Bridge as well |
Only reason I can think of is that Rose Canyon is along one of the more prominent faults in the region, but I doubt that has anything to do with it. Thanks for the info.
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The downtown library is a go!!!
Turner construction has got the contract to build the downtown library, they currently looking for partners to sub-contrator now.... My buddy's company has just just received the offer today to bid.....
Expect to hear more news soon!!! |
Hopefully we hear more good news like that. I've always loved the new library. :)
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Wow - that would be big news if something were to happen there! Maybe they'll eventually revive Library Tower as well! hahaha
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I'll believe it when I see it... :P |
That is truly fantastic news!! (the library).
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CA HSR Public Comment Hearing
FYI - Thursday morning (02/04) California High-speed rail is holding a public hearing for anyone wishing to speak out regarding on the proposed rail lines.
Save Rose Canyon is going to be present to press for the change to I-15 (no longer through UTC, airport, downtown). I'll be there to ask CA HSR to keep the preferred route as it is. SANDAG 401 B Street (downtown) 9 AM |
Budget and Finance subcommittee meeting tomorrow night. We're going to prioritize the projects to make sure the most important (debatable) gets funded first and foremost. Should be interesting. Here's a preview of the list: (in no particular order)
Neighborhood Issues: Utility Box Removal from sidewalks Neighborhood Design Guidelines 214 signalized intersections 128 Mid Block street lights 866 ADA ramps and sidewalks 416 corner trash receptacles in neighborhood centers 48 bike racks in neighborhood centers master bike plan and bike racks Park Issues: north embarcadero visionary plan park maintenance program park procurement park construction green bridge (wide sidewalks) at park blvd for peds and bikes plant 10,000 trees by 2030 Transportation and Transit issues: C street realignment and improvements way finding sign construction way finding maintenance plan MTS coordination MTS capital improvements (stations, circulation, etc.) I-5 corridor study freeway lids over I-5 North side elimination of off ramp/reopening of cedar to two way traffic and peds Freeway lids over I-5 East Side Relocate Bus yard and reopen 15 street open B street to peds and trans Parking, remote/offsite/shared Plans/Programs and Stand Alone Studies Airport overlay development guidelines School development plan community facilities plan health facilities plan public art plan business of health/human services facilities outside of downtown guidelines for "gateway" entrances to downtown Housing Issues: procurement rental housing sites supportive housing housing for 150%-250% AMI Capital Projects: (rate each item 1 to 5, 1 being the highest) New main library north embarcadero visionary plan quiet zone c street realignment 2 new fire stations Possible New Capital Projects: North embarcadero visionary plan (phases 2-5) Convention center expansion New downtown football stadium Projects with downtown impacts: New cruise ship terminal airport expansion new civic center Feel free to share your thoughts on what should be a priority in your opinion. |
Some news out of chula vista from yesterday's UT:
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That land they currently own would be nice for a stadium (if downtown falls through).
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