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Eidolon Aug 8, 2013 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 6224628)
But I wonder how they stretch this to 1,200 ft, how thin will it be. And is it really being designed by SHoP? I thought it would be something more traditional, but all questions to be answered.

Yeah, this is going to be one skinny tower and I think it might even put 432 Park avenue to shame. I don't think that this is being designed by ShoP even though their name is there, buzz at other forums suggests that their tower will be somewhere Downtown.

NYguy Aug 8, 2013 12:27 AM

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JB...allbin=1023728


Looks like there will be one unit per floor (17-71) and floors 72-74 will be mechanical. The lower floors will have 2 units (7-16), and the first 6 floors will be retail.

miesian Aug 8, 2013 12:36 AM

Future conversation: "Darling, what's that building we're looking down on?"---"Dear, I believe that's called One 57!" :P

Crawford Aug 8, 2013 1:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Eidolon (Post 6224639)
I don't think that this is being designed by ShoP even though their name is there, buzz at other forums suggests that their tower will be somewhere Downtown.

SHOP does have a rumored supertall downtown, but that's a separate project, by a separate developer. I don't know the location, but the rumor was somewhere on the east side of Lower Manhattan.

This building permit for 107 W57 also appears to show SHOP as architect. SHOP has a ton of projects in development all over the city.

McSky Aug 8, 2013 1:24 AM

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sbarn Aug 8, 2013 1:31 AM

:cheers:

JACKinBeantown Aug 8, 2013 1:31 AM

I'd love to see a 1,200 foot art deco building go in there. The Economist building (Steinway Hall) is an earlier art deco style, more art nouveau, but an example I can think of where they tried to build something new in an art deco style at that height was a proposal in Houston in the early 80's... Bank of the Southwest.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=148875

It never happened, but at least it shows that an old style with new design can be very beautiful and functional.

babybackribs2314 Aug 8, 2013 1:45 AM

This has 300K sf of air rights; 432 Park has 500K sf for perspective. This will be exceedingly, crazily thin.

Onn Aug 8, 2013 2:23 AM

1,200 feet, I was not expecting this! Just when you think things can't get any crazier they get crazier. One 57 is going to have to put a spire on quick! :runaway:

jd3189 Aug 8, 2013 2:29 AM

I'm being led to believe that New York will have the most supertalls of any city on Earth. The Asian cities may take hold of having great height, but Manhattan is going to be a taller island of buildings.

reencharles Aug 8, 2013 2:42 AM

Wooww... What great news. I was excited with the news of having 1000 FT, but now with 1200 FT? Excellent.

Hahaha... The good thing is that this company is not Extell, then we should see the render soon.

It would be nice if someone could make the mass model of this tower together with others proposals in 57 street - view of the park.

chris08876 Aug 8, 2013 3:52 AM

Just woke up from a nap, feeling good, and I just found out about this. :cheers:

scalziand Aug 8, 2013 3:59 AM

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Originally Posted by reencharles (Post 6224835)
It would be nice if someone could make the mass model of this tower together with others proposals in 57 street - view of the park.

I don't have 225w57 and its not from the park, buuuuut....

http://imageshack.us/a/img541/3484/tw1z.jpg

This is going to be gobsmackingly skinny at this height, with each floor only about 4000 square feet. I mean, a 40-45 foot wide building 1200' feet tall? That's a slenderness ratio of 27-30. Ridiculous.

Downburst Aug 8, 2013 3:59 AM

Amazing news! Remember when this was proposed at 679 feet? To think it's been almost doubled in height!

chris08876 Aug 8, 2013 6:11 AM

These skinny heights are going to become the new norm. Outside of the hudson yards, with such small lot sizes, we will see more of these.

Fardeb Aug 8, 2013 6:27 AM

Poor One57, the runt of the litter ...

This thing is going to be crazy skinny.

JayPro Aug 8, 2013 6:45 AM

Once again I am greeted with a surprise that can only happen on this site.
I mean, I'm tempted to say ph*ck the West SIde...but almost.
Imagine, then, if you will, an east-to-west cutting swath of ridiculously tall and slander monoliths from 225 West 57th to One Vandy and who knows what else with Grand Central/MidTown East?
A 1000'+ at this address will ensure this happening, given also the aforementioned re-zoning green light.

However (FWIW IMHO; so please don't throw things at me :) )......
Reading up on all this apparent good news, I can hear my inner skeptic repeating "If it's too good to be true, it usually is." with a loud, agitated voice. I fear that all this "WooHoo! Another K-footer for the Apple!" giddiness is that very same nugget of wisdom paraphrased in various forms in the NYC Supertall Proposals threads here.
And it makes me wonder. I *still* need convincing that this painfully lead-ass slow economic recovery will hold out just long enough to bring these happy tidings to fruition. Yeah, it's NYC and all; but it takes little more than the right bubble(s) to pop, if you catch my drift.
I'm done speculating (apropos Wall $treet pun) lest I jinx things. ;)

NYguy Aug 8, 2013 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JayPro (Post 6225020)
I fear that all this "WooHoo! Another K-footer for the Apple!" giddiness is that very same nugget of wisdom paraphrased in various forms in the NYC Supertall Proposals threads here.
And it makes me wonder. I *still* need convincing that this painfully lead-ass slow economic recovery will hold out just long enough to bring these happy tidings to fruition.

These residential towers are pretty much towers that are moving forward now, and are being built and marketed for the super-wealthy. This tower may be tall, but it really isn't adding a lot of additional units to the Manhattan market. As long as buildings like One57 and 56 Leonard continue to sell, you'll see more proposals like this.

One thing about this particular cluster around Central Park is that it is rare earth (and air). Sure it's New York, but these towers aren't exactly going up in the south Bronx.

Also, we haven't really had a lot of pushback Nimbyism yet because these towers are being built as-of-right. With the exception of the Tower Verre, there has been no approvals process. Eventually though, once these towers start topping out over Central Park, the people who always complain about that will start up again.

hunser Aug 8, 2013 1:22 PM

Wow, this is totally unexpected. 1000 footers are becoming the norm @57th.

New York is going crazy.

hunser Aug 8, 2013 1:50 PM

Seing Torre Verre being built at only 1050 feet still makes me angry. :hell:
Verre will be barely visible amongst those future giants. :(


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