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NYguy May 10, 2012 12:41 AM

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Mr. Barnett did not deny it, though he noted that, “Nothing had been settled, not the height, not the architect.” So be it. Perhaps now that Harry Macklowe’s 432 Park is climbing toward 1,395 feet, maybe Mr. Barnett wants to build a 1,400-foot tower.
Of course Barnett isn't going to reveal anything so soon. Better to let 432 Park get underway. Since that one will top his One57 as tallest residential in New York, Barnett has a chance to return the favor.

RobertWalpole May 10, 2012 1:17 AM

I saw on Curbed.com today that 4k sf unit in the Trump blg on CPW sold for $20m (ie, 5k/sf). Basically, the NY and London property markets are among the safest investments in a volatile world economy. Now we need the starting date for Torre Verre!

gramsjdg May 10, 2012 3:28 AM

This news definitely softens the blow of what I will only refer to as "Durst's Dastardly Deed" Time for midtown Manhattan to regain the crown!:cheers:

NYguy May 11, 2012 1:18 AM

http://www.observer.com/2012/05/gary...d-57th-street/

Gary Barnett on How He Chooses His Designers and the 1,250-Foot Starchitect Tower Planned for Broadway and 57th

http://www.observer.com/files/2012/0..._b-600x378.jpg

The new skyline, come 2020? 432 Park is at left, One57 is just right of One Bryant Park, and 225 West 57th Street is just to the right of that,
then 15 Penn Plaza and, on the farthest right, Hudson Yards. (sbarn/Skyscraper Page)


By Matt Chaban 5/10

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When Gary Barnett builds, he wants everything to be “the best,” as the Extell exec made clear in our recent profile. Bigger is not always better, but it certainly does not hurt, especially in Manhattan. That is part of the appeal of Mr. Barnett’s One57—not only will the views be dead-center on Central Park, a fact Mr. Barnett keenly brags about, but there are also the bragging rights of having the tallest residential tower in the Western Hemisphere. At 1,005 feet, it beats Frank Gehry’s 8 Spruce Street by more than 100 feet.

But this is New York, and the record will never hold for long, as competitors like the MoMA tower and 432 Park start to rise. But Mr. Barnett has an ace up his sleeve just down the block, a large development site on Broadway running between 57th and 58th streets. The lot, site of the former B.F. Goodrich Building is nearly twice as large as One57′s, and more importantly the tower could be many hundred feet taller, as well, as Mr. Barnett continues to assemble air rights and properties, one of his favorite parts of the business.

For this stratospheric project he also turned to several top-shelf designers, none of whom Extell has ever worked with before. As reported in our profile, Swiss starchitects Herzog & de Meuron won an invited competition to design a tower that could rise to 1,250 feet or more....What there was not room to say was the rest of the impressive firms under consideration: Herzog & de Meuron beat out fellow European Pritzker winners Norman Foster, Richard Rogers and Jean Nouvel and local favorites SHoP, according to our sources. The tower, as specified in the competition brief called for a multi-story base of offices with residences and a hotel on top, a top-of-the-line mixed use tower.

As Mr. Barnett made clear, any of this could change, but it shows a continued commitment to high-end design at the very least. When asked about how he chooses his designers—without making mention of this project in particular—Mr. Barnett gave some insight into how this little competition might have been put together.


“We like to work with the firms we know, we know they can do the work,” Mr. Barnett said walking down 57th Street between the One57 site and the showroom just across Fifth Avenue. “But sometimes we want to give somebody else a chance, we’ve seen their work and we figure, why not give them a shot.”

So when will this mystery tower rise on Broadway? Mr. Barnett would not say. He certainly has his hands full with four full-scale projects currently in the works. And while Morton Williams has opened a new store at 141 West 57th Street, it has yet to vacate 225 West 57th, the final piece of Mr. Barnett’s colossal puzzle. But as 432 Park begins to rise and One57 continues to sell units at record prices, it seems like only a matter of time before something is underway off of Columbus Circle.


sbarn May 11, 2012 1:27 AM

Did the Observer just seriously use my photomonage? Mind = blown.

NYguy May 11, 2012 1:32 AM

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Originally Posted by sbarn (Post 5697380)
Did the Observer just seriously use my photomonage? Mind = blown.

Hey, people notice...:tup:

yankeesfan1000 May 11, 2012 1:44 AM

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Originally Posted by sbarn (Post 5697380)
Did the Observer just seriously use my photomonage? Mind = blown.

Ha! Congrats!

I can not wait to see what Mr. Barnett and Herzog & Meuron have in store...

"Mr. Barnett said that quality design “probably pays for itself” but sometimes he does wonder if it is worth it. “I sometimes question our commitment to design,” he said. “These architects, the good ones, they can be difficult sometimes, but the product is definitely better. I look at the guys putting up just total crap, and I wonder if they don’t make the same return.”

http://www.observer.com/2012/05/gary...d-57th-street/

Duck From NY May 11, 2012 1:55 AM

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Originally Posted by sbarn (Post 5697380)
Did the Observer just seriously use my photomonage? Mind = blown.

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Nice job man! You deserve the recognition.

sbarn May 11, 2012 7:11 AM

How about we celebrate my debut in the paper with another montage! :cheers:

Original Image Credit: Mattron @ flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7095/7...2d6d4f56_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7240/7...24b24f64_b.jpg

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5232/7...e5179553_b.jpg

RobertWalpole May 11, 2012 10:56 AM

NY is unreal!

meh_cd May 11, 2012 3:53 PM

Oh man. I know it is just a massing shot, but I'd be fine if it ended up looking like that. Look at that thing! Look at all of them!

Stop teasing us!

reencharles May 12, 2012 1:57 AM

This is incredible. These latest news are very excited.
I was satisfied with 320 meters, but if it can have more than 350 meters or even more than 380 meters (as stated in the article), it would be really insane, very good.

And this last image of the sbarn must be disclosed and be shown to the Gary Barnnet (For him to be inspired). :haha:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7240/7...24b24f64_b.jpg

RobertWalpole May 12, 2012 2:04 AM

Interestingly, this tower tentatively is planned at 1,250 with an office component. Since office space usually yields a fatter, shorter structure than a hotel/cono, if Extell drops the office component, this could easily exceed 430m with the current air rights!

P.S.: Extell has posted the Observer's article re: 225 on its website!

Zapatan May 12, 2012 2:37 AM

I have a feeling they'll go higher than 432 pk

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Originally Posted by DrNest (Post 5677094)
That small area is going to have a great collection of tall buildings in a few years. Will be nice to walk around there and see all the new additions so close to each other.


Not just tall... SUPERtall :D

RobertWalpole May 12, 2012 2:49 AM

I agree with you. this will be impressive.

NYguy May 14, 2012 12:44 PM

Maybe we'll get a spire out of this one...

babybackribs2314 May 14, 2012 2:40 PM

I think a spire would actually be somewhat likely here. Remember than even One57 has an architectural element that adds roughly 50 feet to its height, and Barnett isn't going to let CIM steal the show with 432 Park. I would think a roof height in the 1,250-1,400 range is likely but that a spire/some kind of architectural addition could take this to 1,500'+.

Roadcruiser1 May 14, 2012 3:14 PM

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Originally Posted by babybackribs2314 (Post 5700309)
I think a spire would actually be somewhat likely here. Remember than even One57 has an architectural element that adds roughly 50 feet to its height, and Barnett isn't going to let CIM steal the show with 432 Park. I would think a roof height in the 1,250-1,400 range is likely but that a spire/some kind of architectural addition could take this to 1,500'+.

It all comes down to how much air rights this tower will have. Add a 400 foot spire/mast and it could reach 1,650 feet at least...

nickguar May 14, 2012 6:08 PM

I bet this will end up being the tallest in the city.

1Boston May 14, 2012 7:06 PM

Although i do wish that this will be as crazy high as people are saying, we are getting ahead of ourselves, but it is nice to dream. But 1250' is still huge.

Dac150 May 14, 2012 7:24 PM

I'm sure 432 Park will be watched very closely before any final specifications are decided on or announced.

No doubt though there is a lot of potential here for something really special.

nickguar May 14, 2012 7:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 1Boston (Post 5700626)
Although i do wish that this will be as crazy high as people are saying, we are getting ahead of ourselves, but it is nice to dream. But 1250' is still huge.

The reason I say what I say is, Gary Barnett seems like the kind of guy that, if given the opportunity, would want to develop the tallest building in the city.

Zapatan May 14, 2012 8:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 1Boston (Post 5700626)
Although i do wish that this will be as crazy high as people are saying, we are getting ahead of ourselves, but it is nice to dream. But 1250' is still huge.


The air rights go into the 1400's if I'm not mistaken, it was just stated the building would likely be "more than 1250 feet"

Crawford May 14, 2012 8:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 5700722)
The air rights go into the 1400's if I'm not mistaken, it was just stated the building would likely be "more than 1250 feet"

Air rights are separate from building heights. Air rights are just part of the overall allowable building envelope.

This site, BTW, has no building heights. Barnett can build as tall as he wants.

Zapatan May 15, 2012 4:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 5700747)
Air rights are separate from building heights. Air rights are just part of the overall allowable building envelope.

This site, BTW, has no building heights. Barnett can build as tall as he wants.

My mistake, but good news, hopefully this building turns out to be NYC's highest

gramsjdg May 15, 2012 5:23 AM

If possible, Barnett should go for a roof height taller than Sears. Something surpassing 1500 ft (roof height) would be ideal. If it ends up being mixed use maybe even an obs. deck is a possibility...

1Boston May 15, 2012 5:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 5700722)
The air rights go into the 1400's if I'm not mistaken, it was just stated the building would likely be "more than 1250 feet"

I'm not saying that the height is permanent, i'm just saying i doubt it will be the "tallest in the city", unless 1wtc does end up losing its 1776' height, then its very likely that it could be the tallest, which im all for.

Roadcruiser1 May 15, 2012 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by gramsjdg (Post 5701225)
If possible, Barnett should go for a roof height taller than Sears. Something surpassing 1500 ft (roof height) would be ideal. If it ends up being mixed use maybe even an obs. deck is a possibility...

This tower is most likely going to be residential which means all you said will not happen.

RobertWalpole May 18, 2012 1:08 AM

There is massive demand for this tower.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/18/re...d.html?_r=1&hp

Midtown Penthouse Is Sold for Most Ever in New York

By ALEXEI BARRIONUEVO

Published: May 17, 2012

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/...REAL-popup.jpg

A mystery buyer has agreed to pay a record price in New York of more than $90 million for the duplex penthouse at a Midtown tower, the building’s developer said Thursday.

Gary Barnett, president of Extell Development Company, said the buyer, who declined to be named or to disclose his country of origin, bought the 10,923-square-foot penthouse on the 89th and 90th floors of One57, the building currently under construction at 157 West 57th Street.

The building, which features a Park Hyatt below the condominium units, will offer striking views of the southern end of Central Park and will be among New York’s tallest residential structures when it is completed next year. Since One57 opened for sales in December, about half of its 92 apartments have been sold, Mr. Barnett said.
While Mr. Barnett would not reveal the exact amount the buyer agreed to pay for the penthouse, citing a confidentiality agreement, he said it was less than $100 million. The price nevertheless tops the $88 million that a trust benefiting the daughter of a Russian billionaire, Dmitry Rybolovlev, paid this year for a penthouse at 15 Central Park West owned by the former Citigroup chairman Sanford I. Weill. Besides being a record sale for an apartment in Manhattan, that purchase also drew gasps for the record price paid per square foot: more than $13,000.

The One57 penthouse, which features 23-foot ceilings in a grand salon, traded for about $8,000 per square foot, Mr. Barnett said. He called the purchase by the Rybolovlevs, agreed to late last year, “not a good deal,” saying the market for superluxury properties in New York should be closer to $10,000 per square foot.

Foreign buyers, including Brazilians, Chinese and Russians, have been on a buying spree in New York and Miami in recent months, developers and brokers say. Russian and Ukrainian buyers have shown a particular willingness to pay top dollar for so-called trophy properties.

Mr. Barnett was quick to dispel any notion that the One57 penthouse was sold to a Russian, saying the buyer was not Russian, Ukrainian or from “any other part of the former Soviet Union.”

He described the buyer as a “very nice family” who plans to use the penthouse as a residence, and as “someone that people would recognize.” The sale had been a well-kept secret; the buyer agreed to buy the penthouse more than three months ago, he said, when the apartment was listed at $98.5 million — before Extell raised the asking price to $115 million to adjust for the market tumult caused by the 15 Central Park West sale.

Despite setting a record, the One57 penthouse did not crack the elusive $100 million barrier for a residence, which has not been broken either in New York or in Los Angeles. Mr. Barnett said he nearly broke it with a different apartment at One57.

Earlier this year, he said, a foreign buyer was “very, very seriously looking” at the “Winter Garden” unit, a duplex with a separate solarium totaling 13,500 square feet. The buyer was negotiating to buy that apartment and another full floor — a combination of floors 75 to 77 that would have been 20,000 square feet. The price would have been between $100 and $150 million, Mr. Barnett said.

He would not say why the deal fell through.

“I am hopeful we will break it one day,” he said of the $100 million barrier, “in this building or another one.”

Zapatan May 18, 2012 2:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Roadcruiser1 (Post 5701351)
This tower is most likely going to be residential which means all you said will not happen.


They should make it a mixed use so it can,

Plus 432 park ave. went very high and that's residential, but may just be an exception.

NYguy May 18, 2012 4:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Roadcruiser1 (Post 5701351)
This tower is most likely going to be residential which means all you said will not happen.

Mostly residential, but still mixed-use:

http://www.observer.com/2012/05/gary...d-57th-street/

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As reported in our profile, Swiss starchitects Herzog & de Meuron won an invited competition to design a tower that could rise to 1,250 feet or more....What there was not room to say was the rest of the impressive firms under consideration: Herzog & de Meuron beat out fellow European Pritzker winners Norman Foster, Richard Rogers and Jean Nouvel and local favorites SHoP, according to our sources. The tower, as specified in the competition brief called for a multi-story base of offices with residences and a hotel on top, a top-of-the-line mixed use tower.


NYguy May 31, 2012 1:40 PM

One of the designs that didn't make it...



http://observer.com/2012/05/check-ou...roadway-tower/

Check Out a Bonkers Proposal for Gary Barnett’s 1,250-Foot Broadway Tower

http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.c...4-51.jpg?w=337


By Matt Chaban
May 31, 2012

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Blind item: Which architecture firm displayed a mind-boggling model for a skyscraper that may well never be built, at least in this lovely form, on the corner of Broadway and 57th Street for Gary Barnett? The model was on display last night inside one of the firm’s downtown projects, which is all The Observer can say lest we give the devilish designers away.


http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.c...4-32.jpg?w=337



http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.c...4-41.jpg?w=337



http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.c...4-17.jpg?w=337



http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.c...3-50.jpg?w=600
Note the sky gardens surrounding a possible boutique hotel.


http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.c...3-36.jpg?w=337
The building boasts offices below, apartments above, perfect for the Columbus Circle crowd.

babybackribs2314 May 31, 2012 2:55 PM

Reminds me of this:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3528/...fd2d246e_o.jpg

Which was Coop Himmelblau

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showth...?t=7832&page=5

Or Iwamoto Scott, who design 'Skyvoid'

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=181550

babybackribs2314 May 31, 2012 3:15 PM

My #3 guess would actually be Vinoly, as the above tower looks similar to 432 Park... detached skeleton & the structure is 'separated' into different node-ish type things.

NYguy May 31, 2012 3:34 PM

Reminds me a lot of this too...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/103105372/original.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/103105378/original.jpg

Onn May 31, 2012 4:17 PM

That's bonkers. With a rejected proposal coming out already the planning phase must be much further along already than Barnett first talked about when he said nothing was decided on yet.

NYguy May 31, 2012 4:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Onn (Post 5718752)
That's bonkers. With a rejected proposal coming out already the planning phase must be much further along already than Barnett first talked about when he said nothing was decided on yet.

When he says nothing is decided yet, he may have selected a winning architect, but that doesn't mean the design itself is final. Being mixed-use, there's a lot at play here.

Eidolon May 31, 2012 4:56 PM

I have very high hopes that something excellent will be built here and I would have been pleasantly surprised had that design been used. :yes:

babybackribs2314 May 31, 2012 5:10 PM

Also possibly notable is the above tower actually has a spire, although it's quite narrow. It looks like with the spire it would be ~1,400' tall.

Onn May 31, 2012 5:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 5718776)
When he says nothing is decided yet, he may have selected a winning architect, but that doesn't mean the design itself is final. Being mixed-use, there's a lot at play here.

Maybe your right on that, I wonder who the architect will be (or is)? :shrug:

scalziand May 31, 2012 5:40 PM

Onn, Herzog de Meuron has already been announced as the architect.

The model also includes a rough massing of 220 CPS.

http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.c...4-17.jpg?w=337

Onn May 31, 2012 5:46 PM

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Originally Posted by scalziand (Post 5718842)
Onn, Herzog de Meuron has already been announced as the architect.

The model also includes a rough massing of 220 CPS.

http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.c...4-17.jpg?w=337

That's right, sorry about that! So many towers going up I lose track of who is on which project, I totally forgot they were picked. :haha:

scalziand May 31, 2012 6:51 PM

Scaling from 888 7th ave, which is 191m tall, the model seems to be about 430-440m tall.

Zapatan May 31, 2012 7:28 PM

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Originally Posted by scalziand (Post 5718971)
Scaling from 888 7th ave, which is 191m tall, the model seems to be about 430-440m tall.

I wish but, measure it in pixels, or just take your fingers and double the height of the 190m building and it's about exactly double, so 380 meters.

I can't stand that little spire on the side though, I hope that's not a cheap measure in beating 432 pk ave.

Eidolon May 31, 2012 7:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 5719027)
I wish but, measure it in pixels, or just take your fingers and double the height of the 190m building and it's about exactly double, so 380 meters.

I can't stand that little spire on the side though, I hope that's not a cheap measure in beating 432 pk ave.

The office component of 225 W57th appears to be as tall as 888 7th Avenue from the perspective given and when the ~250M/850FT residential component is added on top of the that tower we get a roof height of ~450M/1480FT. Add in the spire and this (dead) iteration of 225 W57th tops 1500FT.

We have no idea what the current form will be like besdides the fact that it too will be very tall, possibly even the new tallest in the US by roof height. :banana:

Sky88 May 31, 2012 9:03 PM

New photo of possible Extell tower inserted into photo of One57's showroom model. From ny.curbed.com. :)

http://ny.curbed.com/uploads/untitled-2213-Edit.jpg

http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2012/0...ghbor.php#more

NYguy May 31, 2012 10:21 PM

LOL, another rough edit from observer.com....the skyline will never be the same...


http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.c...line.jpg?w=500

http://observer.com/2012/05/just-how...e-going-to-be/
Just How Insane is the 57th Street Skyline Going to Be?

By Matt Chaban
May 30, 2012

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Last night, The Observer got a glimpse of the super-tall residential tower Gary Barnett has planned for Broadway and 57th Street, just one block away from his already very tall One57.

Our good friends at Curbed picked up on this and were brilliant enough to photoshop the two onto the same skyline. It is quite the striking image, but not quite complete.

After all, rival 432 Park is already underway—and looking for more investors, if you’re interested, as The Journal revealed yesterday—so we figured, what the hey, let’s put them all together.

Welcome to your new skyline, circa 2015.


uaarkson May 31, 2012 10:57 PM

This one is almost too wacky for me, but I think the other 57th St supertalls will balance it out. New York hasn't built a truly crazy, eye-catching skyscraper in quite some time.

The fury of this street's skyscraper boom is quite beautiful.

NYguy May 31, 2012 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by uaarkson (Post 5719247)
The fury of this street's skyscraper boom is quite beautiful.

It's like 57th is in a world of it's own, yet it's just a slice of the skyscraper buzz going on in Manhattan right now.

It occured to me that this design reminds me of another tower also, the David Childs/Libeskind Freedom Tower, right down to the twist and spire...


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/143684999/large.jpghttp://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/143684996/large.jpg

Zapatan Jun 1, 2012 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Eidolon (Post 5719061)
The office component of 225 W57th appears to be as tall as 888 7th Avenue from the perspective given and when the ~250M/850FT residential component is added on top of the that tower we get a roof height of ~450M/1480FT. Add in the spire and this (dead) iteration of 225 W57th tops 1500FT.

We have no idea what the current form will be like besdides the fact that it too will be very tall, possibly even the new tallest in the US by roof height. :banana:

you could be right, just looking at it next to ONE57 makes it look like a 400+ meter tower.

I like this design though, hopefully the final will be just as good.


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