A socially distanced "sellout crowd" for the Wildcats at the Avenir Centre for the QMJHL home opener. The Cats unfortunately lost to the Charlottetown Islanders 4-2.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...03e6cba5_b.jpg Yes, I went to an honest to God hockey game at the Avenir Centre this evening, in the middle of a pandemic!!! :eek: The Atlantic "bubble" allowed this to happen. Of the three CHL leagues, only the QMJHL has started. The OHL and WHL are apparently starting in the new year. The Quebec based teams are playing in empty arenas. The Maritime teams however have been allowed to have restricted seating because of our success in quelling the pandemic. The six Maritime teams will only play amongst themselves this season to maintain the integrity of the bubble. I don't know what will happen come playoff time, but this gives them about six months to figure it out. The Avenir Centre will have the largest allowed seating capacity in the Maritime Division this season at 2,200 (N = 8,800). Scotiabank Centre in Halifax will be next with an allowed capacity of 2,000 seats. https://scontent-lga3-2.xx.fbcdn.net...06&oe=5F9EF37C Full moon over the Avenir Centre, and the adjacent Hyatt Place Hotel in downtown Moncton. |
^ Nice. The WHL says it plans to start playing in December, but that seems very iffy at this point given the high-ish numbers throughout the region and the issue that the American teams present. I'm starting to think a more realistic scenario could be intra-divisional play only.
The Manitoba Junior Hockey League, a junior A league, will be playing in front of fans starting next weekend. I'm planning to take in a game as it might be the only live hockey I see in person this season, other than my son's games. |
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Coverage of footy in England on your typical Saturday can be equally as chaotic as NFL Redzone, if not more so given the sheer number of teams on offer (they'll cover league games, so four leagues covering 80+ teams, most of whom play at the same time on the same day). You're correct, though, in the way that the NFL is set up to maximize the importance of games. Regardless, what we're seeing right now is sports moved from Spring -> Fall losing audience base and the NFL continuing to chug along. More evidence of why the NHL & NBA shy away from September starts. |
NBA finals ratings down 50% with Lakers and Lebron in them, Stanley Cup ratings lowest since 2007, NFL ratings down between 11% to 38% a game depending on matchup this year. The combination of no fans in stands giving games far less energy on tv,tv market flooded with all sports playing the same time and a presidential election and massive amounts of social justice/woke messaging turning off many conservative fans has made the sports market very different than what it once was.
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^ It's funny that people are less interested in TV sports given that there are generally fewer entertainment options now than usual.
I probably watched more of the Stanley Cup playoffs than I have since the early 1990s (excluding the year the Jets went to the WCF)... it didn't feel like the absence of fans really made any difference to me. I thought the NHL did a bang-up job with everything. |
will be interesting if the ratings slide continues or even if the market share lost is permanent what sort of tv deals (NHL in canada), NBA, NFL and MLB get next time around if they are no longer the ratings monsters they once were where networks would just throw money no matter the cost at the leagues.
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Wondering if there are any numbers out of NBA finals ratings in Canada this year with the Raptors out? In the U.S numbers just came out for game 2 of the finals and get this ratings are down 68% that is the least watched NBA finals game ratings in NBA history! Those thinking the NBA was on the cusp soon of overtaking the NFL as the most popular sport in North America well yeah that ain't happening when they are going head to head right now and you have Lebron and the Lakers in the final and people just tune out in droves.
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Apparently Blue Jays playoff fever failed to result in even a small sneeze as Blue Jay playoff ratings did not even register in Canada.
https://torontosportsmedia.com/2020/...ation-pt-deux/ MLB? “Regional Major League Baseball on FOX (Braves-Mets or White Sox-Reds) averaged a 0.7 rating and 1.28 million viewers last Saturday night, MLB’s smallest primetime audience on broadcast television since 2016 (Rays-Yankees: 1.02M). The game overlapped with a competing Rays-Orioles matchup on FS1, figures for which were unavailable.” In Canada, the Jays didn’t crack the top 30 rated programs in Canada after September 6th when it was #28. |
MLB local numbers are out:
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Surely a compacted and busy sports schedule is a better explanation than blaming SJWs for declining sports viewership in 2020. The Stanley Cup playoffs have never had to go head-to-head against the NFL before. Or simulaneously with the NBA playoffs also happening. Or simultaneously with MLB in a playoff run. Or simultaneously with the EPL. Or simultaneously with tennis majors. And when they do have to go head-to-head against these other sports in a highly competitive market? Canadian viewers are given Dallas and Tampa Bay. No wonder ratings are down. :haha: But sure, blame the woke millennials. That explains everything. Quote:
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This year's finals for Rogers was probably a worst case scenario (except for, say, the Isles instead of Tampa) but they still managed decent SCF figures despite the matchup and crowded sports market at the moment. Rogers only needs one or two deep Toronto or Montreal runs to make value on their current TV deal but we're halfway through it and they've come up pretty much empty so far. |
^ I would have expected the Lightning to be of interest given the exciting style they play and the fact that they have a lot of big names that are familiar to fans. But I guess a matchup of non-traditional hockey markets can be a tough sell ;)
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What are we even talking about here? The NFL just posted its best week 3 ratings in 6 years. What a surprise it's coming at the end of summer as people are winding down their extended quarantine getaways and new restrictions appear to be on the horizon. Anti social justice warriors must have just put away their outrage for the fall.
On one hand we have the biggest league in the world playing at its usual uninterrupted time, and on the other we have 3 leagues massively disrupted and now competing for the first time simultaneously with each other and the NFL juggernaut. What does Occam's razor tell us about the likely cause here? |
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The above post is the biggest joke of all considering how you have a history of cancelling other people's opinions by your deletions of posts you don't agree with. But don't let that get in the way of the agenda. It's very easy to hide in your own bubble and only allow what you want to hear when you have your finger on the delete (cancel) button.
NBA Playoff Ratings Slip As Fans Grumble That League Has Become ‘Too Political’ Kurt Badenhausen Forbes Staff SportsMoney Sep 2, 2020 ... A new Harris Poll backs Trump’s critique of the NBA, with 39% of sports fans saying they are watching fewer games. And the chief reason why? Politics. The longtime polling agency surveyed nearly 2,000 people over the weekend and gave those who identified as sports fans—two-thirds of the total—ten options to choose from on why they are watching less basketball. “The league has become too political” was the clear choice, with 38% of respondents who identified themselves as sports fans. “Boring without fans” captured 28% of the vote while the NBA’s association with China caused 19% of sports fans to turn the dial, |
Here, i'll reply with some Canadian ratings for NBA, since this thread is about..*checks thread title* Canadian ratings, and not American:
https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/...celtics-game-7 "An average of 2.65 million Canadians tuned in to the Toronto Raptors' Game 7 against Boston Celtics on Friday night, setting a new second round viewership record, according to the NBA. Toronto's first round playoff viewership against the Brooklyn Nets saw its average audience increase by 24% compared to last year. Game 1 of the series had an average audience of 1.05 million viewers, making it the most-watched first round playoff game in Sportsnet history." Emphasis added mine. Whatever is happening south of the border isn't happening in Canada re: NBA ratings. This thread isn't about US numbers. Period. :haha: |
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This thread isn't about American ratings so i'll keep it short: Have you ever stopped to consider that perhaps NBA and NFL ratings are both down because they're going head-to-head not only between each other but also with other sports during critical periods in their seasons? "Thursday’s Texans-Chiefs NFL Kickoff Game averaged an 11.2 rating and 20.54 million viewers on NBC, down 13% in ratings and 7% in viewership from Packers-Bears last year (12.8, 22.03M) but flat and up 8% respectively from Falcons-Eagles in 2018 (11.2, 18.98M). |
I dunno... are we supposed to be happy that people are turning off sports because they don't want to hear and/or don't agree that black people protesting to be treated equally - which really isn't a political issue... it's an issue of humanity.
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--- Anyway, since people seem to be getting confused, the Raptors playoffs were up 10% this year compared to last and the Jays in total were up 23% this year. NHL couldn't compete this year for eyeballs. The NFL so far is down slightly but mostly due to competition from the NHL, which also declined due to competition from the NFL and no general Canadian performance. NFL's first MNF was down because SCF Game 2 was also on. SCF Game 2 was down because MNF was also on. Raps are up because they're hot right now. Jays are up because they're more competitive. Make sense? :hmmm: |
Jays ratings could also be up because of no CFL this season and their fan bases are similar. Same goes for strong NFL ratings in Canada with no CFL football fans still need their fix.
As to the social justice issue melding into sports I think it turns off many fans because it is young millionaire athletes in their 20's with very little education and life experience lecturing others on very important issues that have many layers of complexity to them. I think people especially in 2020 were looking to sports as an escape from the news not more of it and last I checked these athletes were paid millions of dollars to entertain fans with their athletic ability not lecture them on politics. I much rather hear and take much more seriously the point of view of black pastors, police officers and black business owners than that of millionaire athletes who just randomly walked off the job protesting and what did that accomplish? Black doctors, police officers, business people, trades people walking off the job protesting now that is something worth listening to but oh wait they still went to work and did their job. |
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You don't think these black athletes have first-hand knowledge about racism? You don't think they were ever exposed to it in their lifetime? Getting pulled over by cops for nothing more than being black? Just because they make good money doesn't mean they haven't experienced what others are protesting against. And athletes and entertainers get the most amount of exposure. That's why they're used to sell products in commercials and get people to donate to charities (which no one seems to have a problem with). Like it or not, a doctor or trades person isn't going to get nearly the same amount of exposure for any cause. |
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Typically these sorts of broad sports ratings aren't released in Canada because our overlords at Bell & Rogers have no interest in doing so and our public providers aren't that publicly friendly. Because they don't appear in Numeris' weekly top thirty they're under 500K each at least. Without any data to compare to these numbers on their own wouldn't mean much for gauging basketball's relative incline or decline in Canada over the past few years. If I had to guess i'd say overall NBA playoffs are down in Canada in 2020 simply because the Raptors aren't making a championship run this year. How much they're down is anyone's guess, but it would be the same as saying that NHL playoff ratings in Canada were down in 2012 because a Canadian team wasn't making a run like the Canucks were the year prior. I'd assume NBA playoff ratings in Canada in 2020 would be higher than they were in, say, 2017 or 2018, but without any reliable data it's impossible to say definitely for the realm of TV. |
Based on purely anecdotal experiences, i.e. what I see and hear around me, I'm inclined to agree with Acajack's take. I don't think any kind of social justice-related backlash is likely affecting the ratings much, if at all, in Canada. But I could definitely see it having an impact in the US where the culture war lines are much more clearly drawn.
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(Though one could argue it's relatively easy to do so when you live in Canada. It's a bit different if you're living in Minneapolis, Portland or Seattle and mobs have been tearing apart sections of your city while your elected officials have flirted with the idea of reducing the police budget or even abolishing the force.) |
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There is a bit of the luxury of detachment of a Nepalese person thinking about sea-level rise, but yes - I think most Canadians by a wide margin side with the athletes. Siding with U.S. athletes (mostly from minorities) also conveniently scores points for Canadians who want to feel morally superior to Americans. |
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Is OSEG the first significant pro sports group to seek public assistance? The teams around here have been pretty well silent since the pandemic began.
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---- In other news, the Toronto Wolfpack have been denied entry into the Super League for 2021, leaving them without a league. https://www.torontowolfpack.com/toro...r-2021-season/ |
Also, Jeff Hunt left OSEG this spring to pursue other projects.
He was the driving force, the public face and some might say the heart and soul of the operation. Lots of storm clouds on the pro sports horizon right now. Not just in Ottawa and the CFL either. |
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Yes, it has to be structural. I attended a couple of games in 2019 and sat in the north stands. There is nothing visibly wrong with it from a superficial perspective. It looks no worse or even better than it did in the Rough Riders and Renegades years.
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The 2021 #WorldJuniors is the most-watched since 2015, captivating 13.5 million unique Canadian viewers – 36% of Canada’s population – on @TSN_Sports and @RDSca
The fan-favourite tournament smashed records for @TSN_Sports digital platforms, as overall live streaming increased by 121%, more than doubling last year’s record World Juniors live streaming consumption. An average audience of nearly 3.8 million viewers tuned in to @TSN_Sports and @RDSca for the Gold Medal Game, which also became the most-streamed event ever for TSN digital platforms (up 87% vs 2020). https://twitter.com/TSN_PR/status/1347217945106280459 Canada's first two group stage games averaged 1.96M on TSN earlier on in the tournament. Canada's games before Tueday's final averaged 2.3M, including 2.8M for the semifinal against Russia. https://www.tsn.ca/world-junior-men-...cups-1.1573019 |
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