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LeftCoaster Apr 30, 2014 8:11 PM

YVR continues to post some astounding numbers this year, with an average of 7.5% YoY growth for the first quarter of the year. If these rates continue it will skip 18 million entirely and end the year with 19+ million passengers.

http://www.yvr.ca/Libraries/Aviation...2014.sflb.ashx

Still a far cry from the mid 90s when it was adding a couple million passengers a year, but it is good to see some solid growth after the slow recovery.

Trevor3 Apr 30, 2014 8:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker (Post 6559193)
Porter is now making some unfortunate waves in Newfoundland and Labrador.

A flight from Halifax to St. John's that was forced to land at Stephenville, Newfoundland, was simply ended there - stranding passengers 765 km from their destination.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfou...ille-1.2626110

AND they've cut their workforce in St. John's, including a friend of mine. :(

http://i59.tinypic.com/igmdnc.png

This also sucks because it could put a damper on Porter's new service to the Canadian mainland out of Stephenville.

It's unfortunate for those people, but they should have had insurance on their travel arrangements. Had someone insured themselves, they could have booked a hotel in Stephenville overnight and flown out the next morning on PAL and then been reimbursed for the extra expense. I've had the experience of being dumped at an airport nowhere near where I wanted to end up... now I always buy insurance. Definitely worth it to cover the risk.

The passengers that returned to Halifax did end up being offered vouchers for accomodations on their arrival and ended up getting on a flight to St. John's the next day.

As for the damper, I doubt it. We have no service here to the mainland right now and people are chomping at the bit to get on Porter's flights. We have free long term parking for people not from the immediate area. Somewhat related to the contracting out of ticket agents in St. John's: all of the airlines at our airport take advantage of contracted services instead of directly employing ticket agents. It's one of the things the airport initiated when it restructured about 10 years ago. I think 3 women handle all the passengers, calls, bookings, etc... for 3 airlines.

Bigtime May 1, 2014 1:55 PM

A nice overview of the new terminal and part of the new parallel runway at YYC:

http://i.imgur.com/9Gu4MaI.jpg

West_aust May 1, 2014 3:05 PM

Not an expansion at all, but Aeroport de Montreal is launching a tender for demolition of the old terminal at Mirabel Airport which has been sitting unused for many years now, and costs too much in maintenance with no prospect of reuse or return in that same terminal

http://ici.radio-canada.ca/regions/M...aeroport.shtml

Trevor3 May 1, 2014 3:17 PM

Here's a link to the CBC story on Gander's terminal, it includes a couple great views of the International Lounge which is the space that people are most concerned about. As Mr. O'Dea says in the news clip, some have described it as one of the best examples of a modernest space in Canada.
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However, heritage buffs in the community worry about the fate of the old building, which still has many of its original furnishings and fixtures still intact.

Heritage advocate Shane O'Dea said planning should begin now to make sure the old building doesn't get torn down, and architectural items aren't lost.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfou...inal-1.2624909

I think it would be great if the terminal could be incorporated into the aviation museum in Gander. Not sure how that would work but it seems like the most logical option.

SignalHillHiker May 1, 2014 3:21 PM

Yeah, I hope they preserve it.

Almost all flights between North America and Europe stopped there to re-fuel and that meant Gander was all most international travelers ever saw of Canada. At first, when it was a little, backwoods airport - Canada started to get a bad reputation. So the federal government built a showpiece for the era - for its time, its probably the grandest in the country - everything in there, from the chairs to the floor tiles to the light fixtures - has a famous designer's name attached. Most of it would auction for a fortune today. It has to be saved.

isaidso May 1, 2014 5:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Trevor3 (Post 6559366)
It's unfortunate for those people, but they should have had insurance on their travel arrangements.

Airlines should be contractually obligated to get passengers to the destination paid for and pay all expenses incurred if there are delays. Asking passengers to buy insurance is double dipping imo.

Trevor3 May 1, 2014 5:31 PM

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Originally Posted by isaidso (Post 6560562)
Airlines should be contractually obligated to get passengers to the destination paid for and pay all expenses incurred if there are delays. Asking passengers to buy insurance is double dipping imo.

If you look at any airline ticket (which constitutes a contract) there is no guarantee of landing at any particular destination. If you buy a ticket from Ottawa to Fredericton but the weather is bad in Freddy, you can be dumped at Halifax or Saint John and you're on your own. This has actually gone before the courts and has stood up.

You have to be compensated for mechanical delays, scheduling issues, or anything within the airline's control, but weather constitutes an act of god for which they have no control over and they have no responsibility to customers for what they cannot control. Insurance comes from a 3rd party, not the airline usually, so there is no double dipping (I always go through a travel agent). It's the same as buying insurance on a vehicle or home, you do it to protect yourself against risk. For the sake of $60, buy the insurance. Same thing with your baggage. As per international convention, you are only entitled to $40 for any lost/damaged baggage. If you are checking any bag worth more than $40, insure it, which you can do at check-in most times. Otherwise, if your laptop is in a bag and gets dropped 2 storeys by handlers at Pearson, they can give you $40 and be done with it.

esquire May 1, 2014 6:21 PM

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Originally Posted by West_aust (Post 6560343)
Not an expansion at all, but Aeroport de Montreal is launching a tender for demolition of the old terminal at Mirabel Airport which has been sitting unused for many years now, and costs too much in maintenance with no prospect of reuse or return in that same terminal

http://ici.radio-canada.ca/regions/M...aeroport.shtml

Incredible! I suppose it makes sense to demolish the terminal given that no one uses it, but it is amazing that it came to this... the one-time world's largest airport, Canada's airport of the future, where supersonic transports were going to come to call regularly, is now about to be no more.

VIce May 1, 2014 6:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trevor3 (Post 6560614)
If you look at any airline ticket (which constitutes a contract) there is no guarantee of landing at any particular destination. If you buy a ticket from Ottawa to Fredericton but the weather is bad in Freddy, you can be dumped at Halifax or Saint John and you're on your own. This has actually gone before the courts and has stood up.

You have to be compensated for mechanical delays, scheduling issues, or anything within the airline's control, but weather constitutes an act of god for which they have no control over and they have no responsibility to customers for what they cannot control. Insurance comes from a 3rd party, not the airline usually, so there is no double dipping (I always go through a travel agent). It's the same as buying insurance on a vehicle or home, you do it to protect yourself against risk. For the sake of $60, buy the insurance. Same thing with your baggage. As per international convention, you are only entitled to $40 for any lost/damaged baggage. If you are checking any bag worth more than $40, insure it, which you can do at check-in most times. Otherwise, if your laptop is in a bag and gets dropped 2 storeys by handlers at Pearson, they can give you $40 and be done with it.

The general rule is that you shouldn't buy insurance for anything that you could afford to cover out-of-pocket, because an insurance policy will statistically be negative in dollar value (assuming its profitable for the insurance company). That is, you buy public liability insurance for your car because one accident has the potential to bankrupt you. But if you have $1000 of luggage and $1000 in your chequing account, insurance is probably not very useful.

Spoolmak May 2, 2014 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chadillaccc (Post 6513904)
It's pretty cool that only our fourth largest province has two airports on the list! There are two provinces total with two each, and one with three! Can you guess which one? :P :)

Um, actually BC has three cities on the list. Vancouver, vic and kelowna. Ontario and alberta both only have two.

Denscity May 2, 2014 6:25 PM

Don't want to start another thread but does someone have the top ten busiest airports in Canada based on # of flights? There are a few airports which would make this new top ten.

eemy May 2, 2014 6:38 PM

This Statscan table might be close (data is for Jan 2014):

1. Toronto/Pearson
2. Vancouver/Intl
3. Calgary/Intl
4. Montreal/Trudeau
5. Edmonton/Intl
6. Calgary/Springbank
7. Ottawa/Macdonald-Cartier
8. Victoria/Intl
9. Winnipeg/James Armstrong Richardson
10. Abbotsford

nname May 2, 2014 6:47 PM

Or from wiki for the 2012:

1. Toronto/Pearson
2. Vancouver
3. Calgary/Intl
4. Montreal/Trudeau
5. Ottawa
6. Montreal/Saint-Hubert
7. Boundary Bay
8. Edmonton
9. Toronto/Buttonville
10. Victoria
11. Qu├ębec City
12. Calgary/Springbank
13. Winnipeg/Intl
14. Toronto/City Cenre
15. Abbotsford
16. Thunder Bay
17. Waterloo
18. Winnipeg/St. Andrews
19. Saskatoon
20. Pitt Meadows

Denscity May 2, 2014 7:15 PM

Ya I figured Boundary Bay in Vancouver would show up on the busiest by flights list. The planes are small so wouldn't show in the passenger top 10.

Chadillaccc May 7, 2014 10:53 PM

YYC passenger traffic increased by 7.8% over the first quarter of this year.

Over the first 3 months of last year, they recorded 3 334 437 passengers... this year, we've seen an increase of around 260 000, to 3 594 410 :) If this trend continues, we will jump to about 15.3 million (an increase of around 1 million) passengers this year, since Q3 and Q4 are always significantly busier than Q1.

jmt18325 May 8, 2014 12:18 AM

Wtf is wrong with Winnipeg? The city is growing but the airport traffic isn't. I don't understand.

Chadillaccc May 8, 2014 12:22 AM

It's the same with Ottawa, the city is growing at a healthy clip, but air traffic is decreasing. I believe in Ottawa it is because of the feds cutting back jobs... could a major player in Winnipeg be cutting a lot of jobs, and therefor, a lot of corporate/government travel?

jmt18325 May 8, 2014 12:30 AM

I don't think so. The economy and the job market are pretty healthy actually.

rike5 May 8, 2014 3:31 AM

Winnipeg is notorious for travelers deciding to hop across the US border to catch cheaper flights out of North Dakota or Minnesota from places like Grand Forks. I don't know exactly how extensive the problem is from a purely quantative standpoint (the news may be exaggerating somewhat), but i'm sure it adds up to alot of lost revenue for airlines operating out of Winnipeg International.


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