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We have some crowns this cycle true, but crowns greatly add to the physical presents of a tower and are much more costly than a spire. Even towers that are doing spires and not going crazy with them, like I believe 1 vandy will have a 100 foot spire or so. |
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On this tower a spire would not necessarily give a big boost to how dominating it would be, however it could look cool and it would pad the stats. There are very few towers where the spire really enhances a tower's physical present (the ESB being a prime example where the spire really does). I like spire's on certain buildings because they can enhances a tower's aesthetic. I honestly could care less about the stat sheet. To me One WTC's dominance has little to do with its height added by the spire but by the fact it is a very thick tall sleek well constructed building, if the spire was not counted it would not change this for me. So for CPT I don't really care if it gets a spire, 1550 or 1775 is meaningless when the difference is a steel pole. I would support it if I saw the design and I thought it adds to the towers aesthetic appeal. |
quibbling floor count and exact meters high, be damned . .
There's no doubt exactly what tower this is . . The pillaged WTC downtown . . with this big unavoidable midtown pile . . resymbolizes the significance of our city . . the best line above, is about the spire . . " . . if . . it adds to the towers aesthetic appeal." . . OMG, . . Does It f*ckin' . . Ever ! . . Adrian Smith + Gordon Gill 's spire solution to NYC's tallest crown . . was indeed, unequivocally, sublime . . It was no mere "steel pole" . . That very particular tenacious version of this tower, . . designed thoroughly asymmetrically, . . was like a writhing bolt of lightning . . that fiercely jolted out from the sky . . and twisted right down into the ground . . and thundered right back up again . . This present listless, topless version, however, . . is but a sad. misshapen embarrassment . . as seen in the image of CPT's Chinese ad . . its utter deformed negligence . . solicitously kowtowing to the monied foreign symbols on the page . . Towering above all else . . this 1550 foot pig shamefacedly tries to hide . . in the skyline of America's Media City, no less . . Like the cheap Plastic-lookin' 157, . . CPT is but another Gary bad-taste Barnett joke . . Only this is the pinnacle of Manhattan . . not funny . . |
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". . its utter deformed negligence . . solicitously kowtowing to the monied foreign symbols on the page . ." |
The lack of anything truly official from Extell at such a late stage is very puzzling (unprecedented even?), but I have high hopes that this strategy is intended to leave an open door for either a slight height increase (to put more space between it and 432/Steinway) or a real spire which will pass up the sham that is 1WTC's "spire"
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^^ what artspook said.
Barnett is literally the best AND worst developer in Manhattan. He builds big and builds in bunches, but the towers he approves are visible blemishes on the skyline. One57 is a prime example of a tower where aesthetics is at the bottom of the priority list. Everything about it seems like a cheap afterthought. This tower is just as banal, minus the spire. Just like a good set of aftermarket wheels can make an otherwise mundane car look great-- a well done spire could add equal value to this otherwise soul-less/corporate looking junk of glass... |
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This tower is interesting and tall. Its size will make it dominate, but has several interesting features. The cantilever is very interesting, it is one of the most pronounced I have seen in a traditional skyscraper. Ultimately it will come down to how the façade turns out. If it looks cheap then I will agree with you. I just think barnett tries to find a balance between design and function. Its not like he just builds straight up boxes which would be most economical, but he also does go all out like JDS in the style depart. I guess the designs are just "safe". The towers that turn out the worst are when developers go out and try to be creative and it fails. With a 1550 footer I prefer this. |
It's really hard to gauge progress on this one...
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