http://commercialobserver.com/2013/0...er-131-m-sale/
Steinway Hall’s Final Movement Begins Following $131 M. Sale http://nyocommercialobserver.files.w...pg?w=383&h=255 Billy Joel sits at a 'John Lennon' piano at Steinway Hall (Credit: Associated Press) By Al Barbarino July 29, 2013 Quote:
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I highly doubt Steinway will choose a modern space; renovated, probably, but given their heritage and tradition I would bet on a pre-war lease.
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Yea they would want to keep that posh, luxurious look and the pre-wars offer that type of style.
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The 30-Minute Interview: Michael Stern
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So we will likely not see something reminiscent of the first design. Something more classicly New York, I would imagine.
I'm thinking a prominent spire here. Hopefully this is a world class design, and even better if it went above 1,000 ft. I think this would be a good plan. The spire/classic NYC design will distinguish 107 W. 57 from its more contemporary competitors, and you need to be above 1,000 ft. to stand out on 57th Street. |
Agree with Crawford; wonder if they take a cue from the Viceroy Hotel at 120 W. 57th for the design. That is far shorter but also classic New York.
Crazy how 1,000 feet is now necessary for views on 57th Street. |
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Well that sux. I really liked the idea of what this tower would become. I thought it would look particularly interesting at night with the thousands of LED ports in the concrete for lighting effects.
Sounds like the design will change, and the possibility of the exciting lighting scheme.... |
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::channelling Quickdraw McGraw:: "Now hooooooold on thar........." Let's not quite jump the gun and assume that a redesign with a classic NYC twist won't look nice with LED's. I give you Lady ESB post-refurbs as an example of how 1929-1939 Gotham and cutting edge illumination work together. If they go the Art Deco route with this tower *with LED* (and I don't see why they *can't*) expect a dazzling edifice. |
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Sounds like Robert Stern would be a perfect fit for this tower.
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Certainly Tower Verre is the best example of a classic tower gone modern as of late. But as to who would design this one I don't know.
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The new design will probably end up looking a lot like 99 Church Street and have roughly the same height too!!!!!!!!!!:yes:
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Shame. The design from the rendering looked really good.
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Stern eh? well crap he might end up being confused with Robert AM Stern with a design like that lol
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http://www.robertcaplin.com/wp-conte...15115-copy.jpg http://www.robertcaplin.com/2012/09/...ell-of-a-view/ http://www.robertcaplin.com/wp-conte...therland02.jpg View more gorgeous photos of that one here, 3 pages... http://rcaplin.photoshelter.com/gall...000cRnZNwrff.M And of course, this would be great... http://www.sherrynetherland.com/var/...rk-in-Fall.jpg http://www.sherrynetherland.com/ |
Let the past be the past. You can't duplicate buildings that were done in the 30's, and even if you could they wouldn't have the same character. Some can argue that TV does this, but TV is a different animal altogether. There is nothing like it....old or new.
The original rendering was very unique and upscale looking. NY has a ridiculous amount of buildings that represent the various stages in its evolution. I think it's time that ya'll build towers that represent cutting edge styles of today. This country needs more bold design in its towers, and NY is the only city with the economy to do that. So come on, let's see something that we haven't seen before. We need something new and refreshing. JMO though.... |
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Manhattan has a number of buildings that proves you can have the best of both worlds, and these new additions such as 30 Park and 45 E. 60th will just continues that. We'll still have the glass towers like One57, the Tower Verre, all of the Hudson Yards and WTC giants. But there is also a distinctly New York element about buildings like the Sherry Netherland. And the bottom line is, whatever sells. Money talks, and there are people who flock to such buildings because they offer the best of both. And they are as modern as anything else going up, not just some old building being retrofitted as best it can to accommodate a new reality. |
In an article where they interview the developer of this tower, the NY Times reports this building (107 W.57) as "a 1,000 ft. condo".
So it looks like the thread title can be revised to 1,000 ft. I like where this is going.:) http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/04/re...e-eyesore.html Also, this developer looks like he's going to give even Extell a run for their money. He plans twin towers on the East Side, and may eventually build seven big towers on the East Side. Holy crap. |
How many 20's-30's era spired/crowned buildings are there in NYC under 350' and I wished to high heaven were twice as tall?
They ought to cull from the best examples in the city and combine the best elements of what they choose into this tower.*** Od course, there's no reason why you can't have a killer pinnacle with a dynamic LED scheme. As they'll inevitably choose to make setbacks, why not place lit beacons on the corners of each with LED's, too? If enough attention is paid to how these revered gems of the 20's and 30's were thought out, the first prelim render alone will be a treat. The design process will be worth kicking back and watching unfurl, albeit slowly. ***At the end of the day, if you will, the first official public release render should be different from anything else in the City. It shouldn't look like a busy hodgepodge of ideas somehow integrated with one another in a half-assed, yet good-enough sort of way. |
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Stern is becoming another Gary Barnett... http://therealdeal.com/issues_articl...-walker-tower/ http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/04/re...pagewanted=all Quote:
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Presenting you the Skyscraper Wars:
Stern vs Barnett vs Macklowe vs Silverstein ... who will win? |
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Solow owns that huge lot on 57th Street between 5th and 6th. That's probably the best development site in NYC. |
Maybe I'm just tired, and not reading this correctly. But it looks like it could be 1,200 ft with 74 floors from this latest permit. Also looks like SHoP is involved...
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This is, what, the 24th or 25th supertall for New york? 57th Street! Go big or go extinct! :cheers: I wish Tower Verre could still get it's old height back though. |
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But I wonder how they stretch this to 1,200 ft, how thin will it be. And is it really being designed by SHoP? I thought it would be something more traditional, but all questions to be answered. |
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http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JB...allbin=1023728
Looks like there will be one unit per floor (17-71) and floors 72-74 will be mechanical. The lower floors will have 2 units (7-16), and the first 6 floors will be retail. |
Future conversation: "Darling, what's that building we're looking down on?"---"Dear, I believe that's called One 57!" :P
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This building permit for 107 W57 also appears to show SHOP as architect. SHOP has a ton of projects in development all over the city. |
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I'd love to see a 1,200 foot art deco building go in there. The Economist building (Steinway Hall) is an earlier art deco style, more art nouveau, but an example I can think of where they tried to build something new in an art deco style at that height was a proposal in Houston in the early 80's... Bank of the Southwest.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=148875 It never happened, but at least it shows that an old style with new design can be very beautiful and functional. |
This has 300K sf of air rights; 432 Park has 500K sf for perspective. This will be exceedingly, crazily thin.
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1,200 feet, I was not expecting this! Just when you think things can't get any crazier they get crazier. One 57 is going to have to put a spire on quick! :runaway:
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I'm being led to believe that New York will have the most supertalls of any city on Earth. The Asian cities may take hold of having great height, but Manhattan is going to be a taller island of buildings.
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Wooww... What great news. I was excited with the news of having 1000 FT, but now with 1200 FT? Excellent.
Hahaha... The good thing is that this company is not Extell, then we should see the render soon. It would be nice if someone could make the mass model of this tower together with others proposals in 57 street - view of the park. |
Just woke up from a nap, feeling good, and I just found out about this. :cheers:
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http://imageshack.us/a/img541/3484/tw1z.jpg This is going to be gobsmackingly skinny at this height, with each floor only about 4000 square feet. I mean, a 40-45 foot wide building 1200' feet tall? That's a slenderness ratio of 27-30. Ridiculous. |
Amazing news! Remember when this was proposed at 679 feet? To think it's been almost doubled in height!
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These skinny heights are going to become the new norm. Outside of the hudson yards, with such small lot sizes, we will see more of these.
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Poor One57, the runt of the litter ...
This thing is going to be crazy skinny. |
Once again I am greeted with a surprise that can only happen on this site.
I mean, I'm tempted to say ph*ck the West SIde...but almost. Imagine, then, if you will, an east-to-west cutting swath of ridiculously tall and slander monoliths from 225 West 57th to One Vandy and who knows what else with Grand Central/MidTown East? A 1000'+ at this address will ensure this happening, given also the aforementioned re-zoning green light. However (FWIW IMHO; so please don't throw things at me :) )...... Reading up on all this apparent good news, I can hear my inner skeptic repeating "If it's too good to be true, it usually is." with a loud, agitated voice. I fear that all this "WooHoo! Another K-footer for the Apple!" giddiness is that very same nugget of wisdom paraphrased in various forms in the NYC Supertall Proposals threads here. And it makes me wonder. I *still* need convincing that this painfully lead-ass slow economic recovery will hold out just long enough to bring these happy tidings to fruition. Yeah, it's NYC and all; but it takes little more than the right bubble(s) to pop, if you catch my drift. I'm done speculating (apropos Wall $treet pun) lest I jinx things. ;) |
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One thing about this particular cluster around Central Park is that it is rare earth (and air). Sure it's New York, but these towers aren't exactly going up in the south Bronx. Also, we haven't really had a lot of pushback Nimbyism yet because these towers are being built as-of-right. With the exception of the Tower Verre, there has been no approvals process. Eventually though, once these towers start topping out over Central Park, the people who always complain about that will start up again. |
Wow, this is totally unexpected. 1000 footers are becoming the norm @57th.
New York is going crazy. |
Seing Torre Verre being built at only 1050 feet still makes me angry. :hell:
Verre will be barely visible amongst those future giants. :( |
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