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I agree completely with you UTPlanner. |
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"Is it unrealistic to be idealistic? This question came about after a classmate told me that one of her professors told her she was being too idealistic. This professor has been in the planning field for a while and apparently has become very “realistic.” This scared me, and I wondered if I was doomed to the same outlook. I wondered if I could stand up to the seemingly acceptable standard of mediocrity. Then I realized that my understanding of ethics in planning, however meager it may be, will never allow me to lose my passion for how things ought to be, rather than giving into a “this is reality, this is how things are” attitude. Now to answer the question, it is unrealistic not to be idealistic? The ideal scenario is brought about by the answering of ethical questions. Therefore, it would be unethical not to be idealistic." |
I think that a person can be both realistic and idealistic in their career and in their personal life.
Just remember to focus on both grand ideas and reality if you ever want to have a career as a planner. Whether you work as a consultant or in a government position you will always have a client or a boss. What happens if a developer hires your company to design a suburban subdivision and he wants 1/2 acre lots and 66' roadways? What if the Mayor and Council of your community disagrees with the General Plan that you have recommended and asks you to mold it to their desires? Do you quit/lose your job? Or do you realize that you don't need to lose your zeal for idealism but still realize that reality exists and that you have a job to do? Leaving school was disillusioning, and it was the same way with nearly every planner that I know. I spoke with fellow planners at the last APA Conference after I gave a presentation on Multi-modal Transportation Systems. (I am recognized as a planner and have been asked to speak by a few organizations, APA and ULI being two of them) What is taught in school is a wonderful foundation but some day the real world comes knocking. Just something to think about. |
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Urbanboy, I would seriously suggest that you figure out a way to take what you are learning in school and at the very least, eventually becoming a developer who calls his own shots. Look at those development companies that you most admire. You should be doing some sort of part-time/limited internship with someone like a Milo, etc. After you graduate, you should have already developed a certain reputation and rapport with those type of companies that call their own shots and are in-sync with your own philosophy. These types of development companies will be an excellent vehicle for you to progress to a point of being able to call some of the critical shots on different projects.
What UTPlanner is telling you is gospel and you should listen intently. Don't think of it as criticism, but as part of your planning strategy. Edit: Certainly, becoming an educator of the profession would be a noble way of moving forward. If you can combine being an educator with also being out there with your own projects,(even intimate,smaller projects can be extremely influential) this would be an even bigger plus. |
I apologize UTPlanner for questioning your status as a planner. Hey Delts, I would love to have a conversation with you to help me strategize a transition from my schooling to a professional carrier.
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I think that school sets a great foundation in just about every field but once you leave school and get a job, it all changes. The same can be said for public accounting. We tell new hires that what you learned in school was great, but now let your real education begin.
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So true T-Mac, Sooo true!!! :yes:
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Being idealistic is great. Have your views! Make decisions based on what you believe in! Just DON'T think that your views are the only views that are viable. That's all I ask.
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Interesting subject, that is idealism versus "realism". I think it is true that give and take is the natural and best way for things, but when does compromise actually become a negative, leaving neither side happy, and when is it necessary to not compromise in order to maintain integrity and actually accomplish something worth while? I don't have the answer, but I am reminded of a quote
"The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality." -Dante So yes, the real world happens and ideals have to be compromised at times, but certainly maintaining some degree of idealism throughout life, if it really is important to you, is a rare and desirable attribute. I wish you good luck in your career Urbanboy, and hope you do hold on to some of your ideals, despite life's best attempts at squashing them and making you conform to societal norms. |
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While some of you guys were debating on here did anyone notice this post by wrendog? We could have another new project to look forward too. Thanks for sharing the news wrendog. Are these towers going to be Office or housing or both? :shrug: |
Yeah, I did notice that Projects. I was thinking that if both that and Market Station happened it would create quite the little skyline in that area. We could call that area Downtown, since it's south and the current Downtown would become Uptown.
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Supposedly residential. Also, looks like Southern Exposure is going to move to..... Chinatown in SSL.
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A Tittybar in Chinatown. That's about as Hollywood cliche as you can get!! LOL
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Does anybody know anything about Millcreek Cottages on 3300 S & 2940 E where the SL Board of Realtors building was?
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