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Dariusb Dec 26, 2021 12:55 AM

If your state was a country: who they'd be compared with using GDP
 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.new...467614%3famp=1
I thought this was interesting. California's GDP was comparable to France and Texas was comparable to Brazil.

iheartthed Dec 26, 2021 4:24 PM

Canada

MAC123 Dec 26, 2021 4:34 PM

Ofc this is just a direct comparison of these states economies right now. If they were to become their own countries, most of them would crash and burn.

SunDevil Dec 26, 2021 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MAC123 (Post 9486572)
Ofc this is just a direct comparison of these states economies right now. If they were to become their own countries, most of them would crash and burn.

True especially states without a seaport or other water port (Great lakes). I doubt Colorado would have an economy comparable to Egypt and Arizona wouldn't have one comparable to Israel unless it fought Mexico for land to develop a seaport in the Gulf of California.

Steely Dan Dec 26, 2021 10:57 PM

^ Switzerland lacks a seaport and yet it has one of the highest per capita GDPs on the planet.

Also, thanks to the great lakes and the mississipi-ohio-missouri river waterway systems, the only states that truly lack navigable waterways to the ocean are those of the interior mountain west - ID, MT, NV, UT, WY, CO, AZ & NM.


Navigable waterways and interior port cities of the US
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...d_waterway.png
Source: wikipedia

bnk Dec 26, 2021 11:48 PM

Those are pretty old numbers

The last measure was Illinois GDP was B 956,365 Billion.

Not too long to a Trillion GDP

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/ILNQGSP


Im pretty sure most every state increased their GDP. I do not know about any countries outside of the USA. But I did look up France and it increased slightly

JManc Dec 28, 2021 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MAC123 (Post 9486572)
Ofc this is just a direct comparison of these states economies right now. If they were to become their own countries, most of them would crash and burn.

I don't know about crashing and burning but they certainly wouldn't punch well above their weight as independent countries like they are as states; the big ones like CA/TX/NY are all economic powerhouses due to their status within the US.

Manitopiaaa Dec 28, 2021 12:48 AM

Here's the latest data FYI:

USA states: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._States_by_GDP

Countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_GDP_(nominal)

Virginia would be #24 in the world, just behind Sweden. Pretty impressive considering Sweden has nearly 2 million more people, 4x the land area (aka resources), and is considered one of the wealthiest countries in the world. And yet Virginia is just behind it.

bnk Dec 28, 2021 2:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Manitopiaaa (Post 9487392)
Here's the latest data FYI:

USA states: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._States_by_GDP

Countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_GDP_(nominal)

Virginia would be #24 in the world, just behind Sweden. Pretty impressive considering Sweden has nearly 2 million more people, 4x the land area (aka resources), and is considered one of the wealthiest countries in the world. And yet Virginia is just behind it.



Thats a good link as I suspected every single state increased GDP

And proves my Illinois number. Getting close to The Netherlands, not sure why their GDP is so high, The Dutch east Indian company is not a player anymore unless someone says otherwise, also getting close to super populous Indonesia and Mexico.

And finds international numbers on the second link, EU and Asia is growing too.


In this link to 2026 USA still tops

And India will supplant the UK, Germany and incredibly Japan coming in at #3

by 2030

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...0_through_2026

dimondpark Dec 28, 2021 3:35 AM

The United Kingdom.

SIGSEGV Dec 28, 2021 3:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bnk (Post 9487454)
Thats a good link as I suspected every single state increased GDP

And proves my Illinois number. Getting close to The Netherlands, not sure why their GDP is so high, The Dutch east Indian company is not a player anymore unless someone says otherwise, also getting close to super populous Indonesia and Mexico.

The Netherlands has Europe's largest port, one of its most important airports, and huge multinationals like Shell, ING, NXP, ASML and Phillips.

Dariusb Dec 28, 2021 6:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bnk (Post 9487454)
Thats a good link as I suspected every single state increased GDP

And proves my Illinois number. Getting close to The Netherlands, not sure why their GDP is so high, The Dutch east Indian company is not a player anymore unless someone says otherwise, also getting close to super populous Indonesia and Mexico.

And finds international numbers on the second link, EU and Asia is growing too.


In this link to 2026 USA still tops

And India will supplant the UK, Germany and incredibly Japan coming in at #3

by 2030

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...0_through_2026

Very interesting projection for India. I knew they were growing but damn!

jmecklenborg Dec 28, 2021 7:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 9486738)

Also, thanks to the great lakes and the mississipi-ohio-missouri river waterway systems, the only states that truly lack navigable waterways to the ocean are those of the interior mountain west - ID, MT, NV, UT, WY, CO, AZ & NM.


Navigable waterways and interior port cities of the US
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...d_waterway.png
Source: wikipedia


The reason why the Mississippi is lined by so much hardcore heavy industry in Louisiana is because no barge transfer is needed. The river in this area functions almost like an inlet from the Gulf of Mexico.

North of Baton Rouge, all cargo must be transferred to flat-bottom barges. This process is slow and unpredictable. This is why there is almost a "blood-brain" barrier between the inland waterways and the Gulf - not much actually makes this transfer, even though there are no locks or dams on the Mississippi until north of St. Louis.

MAC123 Dec 28, 2021 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dariusb (Post 9487815)
Very interesting projection for India. I knew they were growing but damn!

They certainly have the manpower for it. And they've been going on a huge infrastucture push with lots of big projects happening.

Pedestrian Dec 28, 2021 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dariusb (Post 9487815)
Very interesting projection for India. I knew they were growing but damn!

The question isn’t why India is growing but why it’s so pathetically behind China.

JManc Dec 29, 2021 1:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 9488005)
The question isn’t why India is growing but why it’s so pathetically behind China.

China being a technocratic authoritarian one-party state has the added perk of not concerning themselves with open debate that democracies like India and the US have to contend with and just ram development and policies through. Plus, India seems more fractured compared to China.

bnk Dec 29, 2021 2:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dariusb (Post 9487815)
Very interesting projection for India. I knew they were growing but damn!

India will be more Populus than China circa 2027 or 28

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/19/healt...hnk/index.html



That expains a lot. Plus they treat education seriously like China but have more kids vs the reverse pyramid China will have to deal with.

2100 China could have 600 million people unless they change immigration status.


The Chinese only want Han's and for that it could be their eventual decline


unless they import millions of Thai, Veit, and South east asian wives.


The number of males vs females in China is extreme and only will get worse.


Unless they address their less than replacement level.


BTW its a lot lower than 1.2 its more like 0.9 from sources outside of China.

2.1 is just replacement without immigration btw

Pedestrian Dec 29, 2021 7:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JManc (Post 9488078)
China being a technocratic authoritarian one-party state has the added perk of not concerning themselves with open debate that democracies like India and the US have to contend with and just ram development and policies through. Plus, India seems more fractured compared to China.

Indeed, and I can give other explanations. But my point is simply how remarkable is the difference between two Asian neighbors with a lot of similar characteristics but two very different political systems.

SFBruin Dec 29, 2021 2:19 PM

China also has a more temperate climate than does India, which may influence its economic productivity.

CivicBlues Dec 29, 2021 7:27 PM

Religiosity is also a factor. Sectarian violence and superstitious belief systems for much of the population are probably debilitating for India.


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