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Von Apr 25, 2014 1:57 PM

IAH design plans unveiled: Terminal D to be replaced by new international terminal

Molly Ryan
Reporter-
Houston Business Journal
Apr 24, 2014, 4:37pm CDT
http://bizj.us/vkbat/i/1
Quote:

Our traffic at Terminal D has quadrupled since we first opened,” Jarret Simmons, assistant aviation director of planning for HAS, said in an interview with the Houston Business Journal. “It’s at capacity right now, and every year since 2007 we’ve had at least one new international carrier arrive. In the last year, we had two new carriers arrive
http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/m...l-d-to-be.html

Urbannizer Apr 25, 2014 3:03 PM

There was a fire overnight at The Suzanne apartments. Unlike the Axis apartments that burned down last month, this one is made out of steel - so it was put out pretty quickly. By Jax on HAIF:

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/25/edyga5am.jpg

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-te...8475.php%C2%A0

N90 Apr 25, 2014 5:23 PM

Just ran the numbers.

DT-TMC-UT (everything inside that Triangle)
Land area: 54 square miles
High rises and skyscrapers existing in Triangle: 366
Proposed and under construction in Triangle: 68
Rest of the city's proposals and construction: 46

Clev Apr 25, 2014 6:20 PM

Why have there been so many fires in Houston lately? Did they ever find the cause of the first building that caught fire?

citykid09 Apr 25, 2014 10:03 PM

I thought that the stand alone part that they were adding to the Galleria would face Westheimer. The Galleria defiantly needs to update the two towers connected to it. They are aging the center and making it not look worth of those high-end retailers.

TowerSpotter Apr 25, 2014 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by citykid09 (Post 6553893)
I thought that the stand alone part that they were adding to the Galleria would face Westheimer. The Galleria defiantly needs to update the two towers connected to it. They are aging the center and making it not look worth of those high-end retailers.

The Westin hotel was renovated not too long ago from the interior but not the exterior. Although I do agree they should really give the exterior a makeover.

citykid09 Apr 25, 2014 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TowerSpotter (Post 6553973)
The Westin hotel was renovated not too long ago from the interior but not the exterior. Although I do agree they should really give the exterior a makeover.

Well they did say with this Galleria redo that the exterior would get a face lift as well, I guess to keep up with the new guys BLVD Place, River Oaks District, etc. So hopefully that means the two towers as well. What happend to the plans to add a condo tower to the Galleria?

TowerSpotter Apr 26, 2014 1:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by citykid09 (Post 6554002)
Well they did say with this Galleria redo that the exterior would get a face lift as well, I guess to keep up with the new guys BLVD Place, River Oaks District, etc. So hopefully that means the two towers as well. What happend to the plans to add a condo tower to the Galleria?

Yeah I'm guessing it has to do with keeping up with the other guys. If so those stripmalls on Post Oak Boulevard are totally doomed for re-development.

Maybe your referring to the Multifamily highrise? Thats still on tract, its bolded in the article above posted by Urbannizer.

DBGHouston Apr 26, 2014 5:48 PM

Is there something I'm missing here, buried in this story? How ironic that in order to attract higher-end shoppers and retailers they are going to destroy the only architecturally significant - and I would argue "classy"- component of the entire complex: The Philip Johnson facade for Saks Fifth Avenue, originally a Marshall Field's. (see the fourth photo down and the telltale signature curved wall with the names of imaginary retailers on it) :hell: Wouldn't it make more sense to try TRY to integrate the new building design with that and make something MORE instead of just destroying one of the only good things about the place? But I suppose they can slap up some stucco and tell their share holders that they are doing something productive.


N90 Apr 26, 2014 9:00 PM

The mass infill development factory spat out another one today. Credit to Urbannizer!

At 2020 McGowen, 100 units, 5-6 floors, say hello to Viewpoint Square.
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7442/...655523a0_b.jpg

http://www.houstonarchitecture.com/h...-2020-mcgowen/

DBGHouston Apr 26, 2014 11:37 PM

Apart from the duplicate listing for Kirby Grove, amazing list of "under construction." This makes 28 buildings and over 500 new skyscraper stories in Houston:

• 2929 Weslayan 39
• BHP Billiton Tower 30
• Hanover Post Oak 29
• 1111 Travis 23
• Astoria 25
• Energy Center IV 22
• Energy Center III 20
• SkyHouse River Oaks 25
• SkyHouse Houston 24
• Noble Energy Center 2 20
• 3737 Buffalo Speedway 18
• Samsung Tower 18
• Energy Tower IV 17
• Kirby Grove Tower 16
• The Sovereign 21
• 2229 San Felipe 18
• Kirby Grove at Levy Park 16 DUPE
• Azalea Court Tower 17
• Phillips 66 Headquarters Tower [2] 15
• Phillips 66 Headquarters Tower [1] 15
• Sheikh Zayed Bin Sultan Al Nahyan 12
• West Memorial Place Building 1 12
• Southwestern Energy Headquarters 10
• Hyatt Regency at Galleria 14
• Brazos Towers at Bayou Manor 14
• Hanover South Hampton Tower 2 12
• Hanover South Hampton Tower 1 12
• Towne Centre I 10
• Five Chasewood 10

It seems like the time to add the headstone for the Texas Tower is now, as it is just a memory like the rest of these:


• Sheraton Lincoln Hotel
• Houston Main Building
• Southwest Tower
• National Standard Building
• Shamrock Hotel :(
• Lamar Hotel
• Great Southern Life Insurance Building
• Electric Building
• Macy's Downtown
• YMCA Downtown
• Montagu Hotel
• Ben Milam Square
• Medical Arts Building
• Methodist Hospital Diagnostic Clinical Ctr
• Mayfair Hotel
• Anderson Mayfair Hotel
• Texaco Building Annex
• San Jacinto Building
• Jefferson Davis Hospital
• Crowne Plaza - Texas Medical Center
• Holiday Inn Hotel & Suites Galleria
• Veterans' Administration Hospital
• Travis Tower Garage
• Cenikor Building

toxteth o'grady Apr 27, 2014 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TowerSpotter (Post 6554175)
Yeah I'm guessing it has to do with keeping up with the other guys. If so those stripmalls on Post Oak Boulevard are totally doomed for re-development.

Kenny & Ziggy's demolished? Heresy!:runaway:

N90 Apr 27, 2014 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DBGHouston (Post 6555048)
Apart from the duplicate listing for Kirby Grove, amazing list of "under construction." This makes 28 buildings and over 500 new skyscraper stories in Houston

29.

The second Millennium tower is under construction in Westchase. It's 22 floors. It's not on the database for either proposed or under construction. It's been under construction for over a month now I think. BTW there's another building under construction next to it and one across the freeway between Sam Houston and Rogerdale where that 6 story corporate building with the pond/lake in front of it.

Urbannizer Apr 27, 2014 1:00 AM

Right off the top of my head - Belfiore, Marriott Marquis and Air Liquide Centre towers are missing from the list. Samsung Tower is pretty much complete, same for the Sheikh Zayed Bin Sultan Al Nahyan and some of those floor counts are incorrect.

N90 Apr 27, 2014 1:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbannizer (Post 6555105)
Right off the top of my head - Belfiore, Marriott Marquis and Air Liquide Centre towers are missing from the list. Samsung Tower is pretty much complete, same for the Sheikh Zayed Bin Sultan Al Nahyan and some of those floor counts are incorrect.

Sheikh Zayed
Samsung Tower

- 2

Air Liquids I
Air Liquids II
Marriott Marquis
Belfiore
Millennium II

+ 5

The new total UC is 31.

toxteth o'grady Apr 27, 2014 3:17 AM

Some of the UC's don't have cranes yet, so technically still on the proposed list. 609 Main has a crane, but it's being used for demolition. Keeping that list updated over the next several months is going to be challenging indeed.

N90 Apr 27, 2014 3:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toxteth o'grady (Post 6555189)
Some of the UC's don't have cranes yet, so technically still on the proposed list. 609 Main has a crane, but it's being used for demolition. Keeping that list updated over the next several months is going to be challenging indeed.

Urbannizer's pretty good at keeping track. He's added everything to the development map. http://devmap.io/cities/houston/developments##401

BTW Urbannizer, is it possible to add the new international terminal at Hobby and the new Terminal B and Mickey Leeland International terminal at IAH to the development map? The renderings for the new terminal at IAH are amazing FTR.

Urbannizer Apr 27, 2014 3:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N90 (Post 6555206)
Urbannizer's pretty good at keeping track. He's added everything to the development map. http://devmap.io/cities/houston/developments##401

BTW Urbannizer, is it possible to add the new international terminal at Hobby and the new Terminal B and Mickey Leeland International terminal at IAH to the development map? The renderings for the new terminal at IAH are amazing FTR.

Sounds good, I'll also add the Galleria redevelopment to the map.

toxteth o'grady Apr 27, 2014 3:56 AM

Interesting map. I didn't see the Halliburton campus expansion(two 8-story buildings on Beltway 8 near the airport), but it's pretty comprehensive.

N90 Apr 27, 2014 5:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toxteth o'grady (Post 6555222)
Interesting map. I didn't see the Halliburton campus expansion(two 8-story buildings on Beltway 8 near the airport), but it's pretty comprehensive.

I'm trying to think of anything that may not be on there but it seems to have it all. I'll check HAIF and my posts here to see if there's anything else missing.

Edit: Research Forest Lakeside might be the only thing left. I think it has nearly half a dozen to a dozen buildings 6-8 stories in its blueprints.

Dariusb Apr 27, 2014 10:37 AM

Doesn't Houston have more skyscrapers in the city limits than Los Angeles?

Cory Apr 27, 2014 5:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toxteth o'grady (Post 6555222)
Interesting map. I didn't see the Halliburton campus expansion(two 8-story buildings on Beltway 8 near the airport), but it's pretty comprehensive.

Thankfully Urbanizer, for the most part, focuses on urban development that will have an impact on the core of the city. We don't need to know about every office park or garden style apartment complex that are a dime a dozen developing on the fringes.

N90 Apr 27, 2014 5:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dariusb (Post 6555339)
Doesn't Houston have more skyscrapers in the city limits than Los Angeles?

No.

Dale Apr 27, 2014 5:36 PM

I've spent quite a bit of time in LA and the thing that always strikes this highrise-buff as odd is how few highrises it has for such a gargantuan city.

And Houston has even fewer ?

rellott Apr 27, 2014 7:56 PM

Want a snapshot of Houston? Read this:

http://news.rice.edu/2014/04/24/a-ci...nsportation-2/

Urbannizer Apr 27, 2014 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory (Post 6555482)
Thankfully Urbanizer, for the most part, focuses on urban development that will have an impact on the core of the city. We don't need to know about every office park or garden style apartment complex that are a dime a dozen developing on the fringes.

Yesssss, I also feel like most small suburban developments should not be mentioned here.

Double L Apr 27, 2014 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N90
Quote:

Originally Posted by DariusB
Doesn't Houston have more skyscrapers in the city limits than Los Angeles?

No.

Houston has 50 skyscrapers in it's city limits

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ngs_in_Houston

Los Angeles has 34 skyscrapers in it's city limits

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...in_Los_Angeles

glowrock Apr 28, 2014 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double L (Post 6555748)
Houston has 50 skyscrapers in it's city limits

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ngs_in_Houston

Los Angeles has 34 skyscrapers in it's city limits

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...in_Los_Angeles

Since when is 400 feet an official number for the definition of a skyscraper?

Besides, there are multiple clusters of tall buildings all over the Los Angeles region, especially in places like Glendale and Long Beach, just for a few examples.

Aaron (Glowrock)

Double L Apr 28, 2014 12:51 AM

Well it's wikipedias definition.

Care to provide your own numbers by your own definitions?

toxteth o'grady Apr 28, 2014 2:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbannizer (Post 6555743)
Yesssss, I also feel like most small suburban developments should not be mentioned here.

The two Halliburton buildings are taller than the apartment wrap-arounds and closer in than the Exxon Mobil campus. But that one's been a quiet project. Halliburton's not blowing a horn over it. They both appear to have topped out.

N90 Apr 28, 2014 5:51 AM

The Woodlands is starting to remind me of Tyson's Corner here in the DC area.

http://www.elkus-manfredi.com/project/the-woodlands/

I like seeing this. Is there a DT for The Woodlands?

Urbannizer Apr 28, 2014 6:41 AM

Capitol Tower: 4/25 by Triton, peeling off the exterior

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5584/...aebd5686_b.jpg

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5526/...b8d927de_b.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7385/...30a50387_b.jpg

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5460/...2e16c0bd_b.jpg

Alexan Midtown: 4/27 by LarryDierker

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7214/...a8fecdbf_b.jpg


Skyhouse Houston
: 4/27 by Jax

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2937/...324d2314_b.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7110/...ce9b553c_b.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7428/...c2d45e9e_b.jpg

4306 Yoakum: 4/27 by Jax

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7101/...b85e9930_b.jpg

2929 Welsyan: by Jax and Me

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2899/...93d4caf2_b.jpg

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2904/...37975a18_b.jpg

21 Eleven: 4/27 by Triton

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7416/...96022b8b_b.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7410/...51b76cd8_b.jpg

Levy Park: 4/27 by Triton

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7409/...df9ac9b3_b.jpg

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2923/...e9fcd4ef_b.jpg

BHP Billtion: 4/25 by Tottottitto

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2916/...aaece800_b.jpg

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2905/...20983efd_b.jpg

Astoria: 4/25 by Totttottitto

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2895/...bf3165e4_b.jpg

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5213/...21acaa62_b.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7379/...15e0f7a5_b.jpg

glowrock Apr 28, 2014 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double L (Post 6555788)
Well it's wikipedias definition.

Care to provide your own numbers by your own definitions?

Not particularly, Double L. I just think that any definition of a skyscraper that includes a minimum of 400 feet is going to make the list of skyscrapers extremely small in most cities. It's too restrictive.

But anyhow, it doesn't really matter.

Aaron (Glowrock)

kingkirbythe.... Apr 28, 2014 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory (Post 6555482)
Thankfully Urbanizer, for the most part, focuses on urban development that will have an impact on the core of the city. We don't need to know about every office park or garden style apartment complex that are a dime a dozen developing on the fringes.

This is the stuff that belongs in the General Development thread for Houston.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=209922

timoric Apr 28, 2014 1:19 PM

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Clev Apr 28, 2014 2:53 PM

Wow, I never knew a 320+ foot building would look so small in Houston's skyline. Skyhouse looks really tiny in those pictures.

KevinFromTexas Apr 28, 2014 3:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clev (Post 6556158)
Wow, I never knew a 320+ foot building would look so small in Houston's skyline. Skyhouse looks really tiny in those pictures.

I don't think it's that tall. The one in Austin is 264 feet and they're all more or less identical.

toxteth o'grady Apr 28, 2014 4:57 PM

Bisnow is reporting two more hotels for the Woodlands - a Holiday Inn and a Staybridge Suites. Six and four floors, respectively.

toxteth o'grady Apr 28, 2014 4:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N90 (Post 6555958)
The Woodlands is starting to remind me of Tyson's Corner here in the DC area.

Just much farther out.

N90 Apr 28, 2014 5:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timoric (Post 6556064)
I think that is more like Reston Town Center, VA near Dulles Airport.

http://www.sasaki.com/project/92/reston-town-center/

http://www.sasaki.com/media/files/01...n-center-2.jpg

Tysons Corner is similar to the Galleria Area in the millions and millions of square feet of office and retail.

Key words being "starting to remind me".

Anyhow, I was talking about the architectural style (new urbanist), the mass of office space being generated, the use of a mall as an anchor for shopping, etc.

timoric Apr 28, 2014 5:15 PM

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N90 Apr 28, 2014 5:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toxteth o'grady (Post 6556333)
Just much farther out.

I don't think of the Woodlands as anything more than a mere suburb but it's one of the few suburbs in the Houston region that's doing it's job and pulling it's weight (the others being Sugar Land and Katy). The jobs, office space, and the like are necessary, there should be a major job center in every corner of the Houston metro. It will keep things decentralized, will keep the housing prices in check (further from DT = lower housing prices for new construction in undeveloped areas), and most of all it will keep the chokehold that is known as traffic from entering the loop more ferociously than it has been in decades past.

TBH I don't know what Parker and her constituents at METRO were thinking by delaying the LRT expansions of the Post Oak and Richmond lines, I wonder how often she actually sits in the traffic known as 610 @ 59 to feel for the people of her city.

shakman Apr 28, 2014 5:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingkirbythe.... (Post 6556041)
This is the stuff that belongs in the General Development thread for Houston.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=209922

My understanding is the City Compilations forum is for everything which is development related.

toxteth o'grady Apr 28, 2014 6:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N90 (Post 6556376)
TBH I don't know what Parker and her constituents at METRO were thinking by delaying the LRT expansions of the Post Oak and Richmond lines, I wonder how often she actually sits in the traffic known as 610 @ 59 to feel for the people of her city.

There is a certain impediment named John Culberson, who is preventing the Red Line from getting out west along Richmond. Time for some traffic problems!:koko:

AviationGuy Apr 29, 2014 1:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N90 (Post 6556376)
I don't think of the Woodlands as anything more than a mere suburb but it's one of the few suburbs in the Houston region that's doing it's job and pulling it's weight (the others being Sugar Land and Katy). The jobs, office space, and the like are necessary, there should be a major job center in every corner of the Houston metro. It will keep things decentralized, will keep the housing prices in check (further from DT = lower housing prices for new construction in undeveloped areas), and most of all it will keep the chokehold that is known as traffic from entering the loop more ferociously than it has been in decades past.

TBH I don't know what Parker and her constituents at METRO were thinking by delaying the LRT expansions of the Post Oak and Richmond lines, I wonder how often she actually sits in the traffic known as 610 @ 59 to feel for the people of her city.

I think of The Woodlands now as a city with an impressive core, far different from a "mere suburb". I do think of places like Cypress and Pearland as mere suburbs. They're different as night and day from The Woodlands.

cloud713 Apr 29, 2014 5:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N90 (Post 6555958)
The Woodlands is starting to remind me of Tyson's Corner here in the DC area.

http://www.elkus-manfredi.com/project/the-woodlands/

I like seeing this. Is there a DT for The Woodlands?

yes there is a "downtown" in The Woodlands. there are two 450' towers along with a number of other mid-high rises. not counting the buildings/development on Lake Woodlands like Hughes Landing and Research Forest Lakeside.

http://ww1.hdnux.com/photos/24/16/15.../5/960x595.jpg

Video Link



Hughes Landing

http://swamplot.com/wp-content/uploa...-site-plan.jpg

http://blog.chron.com/primeproperty/...es-Landing.jpg


Research Forest Lakeside

http://www.coydavidson.com/wp-conten...h-Phase-12.jpg

http://s.lnimg.com/xnet/mainsite/Htt...dth=0&Height=0


Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas (Post 6556211)
I don't think it's that tall. The one in Austin is 264 feet and they're all more or less identical.

true but the one in Austin is a floor shorter and a different roof design. id guess the Houston one is around 280'. still, shorter than the 320' guestimate.

Quote:

Originally Posted by N90 (Post 6556376)
TBH I don't know what Parker and her constituents at METRO were thinking by delaying the LRT expansions of the Post Oak and Richmond lines, I wonder how often she actually sits in the traffic known as 610 @ 59 to feel for the people of her city.

as someone else mentioned, it was Culberson who blocked the federal funding, and thus halted the university and uptown rail lines. fortunately uptown is moving ahead with a BRT line, with local TIRZ(?) money, for the time being that can be converted in the future to light rail.

timoric Apr 29, 2014 10:35 AM

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toxteth o'grady Apr 29, 2014 3:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AviationGuy (Post 6556968)
I think of The Woodlands now as a city with an impressive core, far different from a "mere suburb".

The Woodlands has its own urban core, but it has been incorporated into the Houston city limits (unless it seceded), so being a city in its own right is not possible.

And I now see the area is not yet annexed but not able to incorporate.

toxteth o'grady Apr 29, 2014 4:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timoric (Post 6557239)
Wonder if the Woodlands will incorporate now or later or not at all?

Any thoughts by anyone?

I think the 50-year standstill is supposed to prevent either incorporation or annexation, but I can't help but think the Woodlands is going to end up in Houston eventually, as will Springwoods. The locals may not like it but it will prevent the city from being noosed by independent suburbs (e.g., Dallas, Atlanta, St. Louis).

Urbannizer Apr 29, 2014 4:55 PM

http://swamplot.com/wp-content/uploa...lson-fence.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swamplot
CHAIN-LINK FENCING has gone up around the warehouse buildings at 2401 Nicholson St. in the Heights, a reader reports. There’s a total 139,126 sq. ft. of building space on the large alley-divided block surrounded by Nicholson, 24th, 25th, and Lawrence St., on 3.6 acres. JLB Partners doesn’t appear to have announced the new apartment building it’s planning for the site, but its builders received a couple of permits for a parking garage and an apartment building at 525 W. 24th St. late last year. And a TCEQ notice for the construction — identified as the Heights Block 39 Apartments, at 525 W. 25th St. — has gone up at the site as well. The block is catty-corner to the cleared National Flame & Forge site on the other side of Nicholson.

Article: http://swamplot.com/new-jlb-apartmen...ts/2014-04-29/



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