It probably will, eventually; just depends on the economy.
Looking at that pdf, the redesign is terrible. It extends too far south into a largely undeveloped area and creates a seperation from downtown. Not good. |
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I like some of the elements of the redesign, but it should continue west toward Central along Jackson St and it must engage the north side of Jackson as well as the stuff that was going on around USAC and the parking garage. Without that, it will create a dead zone between it and the rest of downtown (Cityscape, etc.). |
I was gonna post these last night but photobucket was jacked up.
Some highlights of the narrative: http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7...cs21/jsed1.jpg http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7...cs21/jsed2.jpg http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7...cs21/jsed3.jpg http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7...cs21/jsed4.jpg http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7...cs21/jsed5.jpg http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7...cs21/jsed6.jpg http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7...cs21/jsed7.jpg http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7...cs21/jsed8.jpg http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7...cs21/jsed9.jpg http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7...s21/jsed10.jpg Sure the redesign could raise some questions but I for one would just be excited to have Jackson street "pimped out" and with an Art House cinema and maybe a House of Blue's, a hotel and some more little street-side bars and cafe's.... I know this project would probably take a decade to come to fruition, but I am excited about the small stuff. Jackson street has so much potential. It would be so fun to leave the Dbacks games and walk Jackson, bar hopping... I would prefer for the hotel to be an upscale, trendy, modern hotel personally. |
^ Looks pretty nifty to me. :)
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i liked the original idea of wrapping the garage and arena... i just doesn't feel right extending south. i should engage more of downtown.
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As much as is it disappointing to see the project move further south, I don't think we can reasonably expect them to go anywhere else. I mean, they have filled in most of the space along Jackson between Central and Chase Field. That is pretty decent redevelopment. Even if they only added the projects along Jackson we would see a significant revival in downtown nightlife. The projects that extend into the warehouse area are just a logical extension of that. There really isn't much land north of Jackson that is available in the area. With the exception of the parking lot to the west of USAC, there isn't much for them to build on. There is cheap land toward the south and all of it is close to both the lightrail and the stadiums.
I would wager that the projects like the HoB and Cinema will go in well before the hotels and other retail space to the south of Jackson. |
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Why can't they do this again? I would expect them to move south after having completed the above first, thus connecting with downtown and expanding from there. |
eh, I think it's fine if they develop towards the south rather than north. It will makes those blocks in between even more tempting for development.
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Now if you look at the new renderings and compare them to the original idea you can see that the focus still remains on 2nd St and Jackson and extends outward. So with that in mind following the path of least resistance from this point it would seem logical to look for cheaper more available land which takes you south and to keep it closer to foot traffic i.e. USWAC and Chase Field it would also take you east. Many of the surface parking lots available to both venues are in this area and during events there is a tremendous amount of foot traffic in this area, even more than north of Jefferson. So it just seems logical to go this route and in fact engaging what is left in the warehouse district would great idea. If you remember one of the first attempts at true lofts were the Stadium Lofts on 2nd St and Buchanan and lets not forget the first true high rise condo in downtown (Summit) also happened in the warehouse district. |
You can't propose a rezoning of properties you don't own. If the City hasn't signed off on all the workings of the deal, then that's why the garages, etc aren't included here. I'm sure after this is rezoned a separate development agreement will end up between the City and the JSED partners that will end up with tax rebates, etc as well as disposition of the garages.
By then, the residential financing might exist for those wraps because the plan looks to be significantly missing the residential component. A financing issue in and of itself might also be why residential is missing from this plan. |
i'm not really liking what i see overall. kinda disappointed, but hopeful.
maybe they should rename it the "Southside of Jackson St Ent. Dist." (and farther south.) |
I agree with combusean. I think once the residential market improves and things stabilize, we'll see Sarver and Co. jump into the mix (resurrect the W?) and fill out those areas around USAC and the parking garages. And once things start to happen on the Luhrs block, we'll see a really nice transformation of that area.
I do like the new proposal...the mid-height towers and such really would look nice in that area and can only help integrate the Warehouse district into the overall urbanization of DT. |
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Just again trying to keep everything organized under this designated thread:
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Thanks KingLouie. I was just about ready to adding my post to this thread.
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The first " RED FLAG/s" that looms is/are: those seriously outdated or (re-modified) highrises of downtown. First of all, those CITYSCAPE highrise renderings are painted as 40 story towers & now they have shrunk to 34 & 26 story towers respectively. The "W" is now dead but it is mysteriously still in the rendering. :koko: :koko: & the summit in that photo resembles a 30 story or 300 + foot tower, but instead its a dinky little cracker-jack box that is dwarfed by chase field. (DONT GET ME WRONG ! Im not saying the rendering is your fault, I just brought it up to make a point about Jackson street.) I said all that to say this: it wouldnt surprise me if something "goes screwy" with the project.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: but on the other hand hopefully I """will be surprised""" |
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:previous: Vandercook once mentioned that he had ljbuild on some sort of "block" or "ignore" status. Can anyone tip me off as to how to do the same, I get super irritated every time he adds his two absurdly annoying multi-font cents.
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Then don't read it?
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