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NYguy Feb 7, 2017 3:28 PM

MY guess is that this will be a very shiny building, contrasting with 220 CPS, 432 Park, and even One57. I've come to terms with the "crown", still unhappy that the tallest in Midtown won't have a spire of sorts, but it will be what it will be.

It's the quiet giant waiting to rise...



Steve Nogar

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streetscaper Feb 9, 2017 3:39 PM

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Crawford Feb 10, 2017 4:14 AM

This building has risen two floors in the last 10 days or so. Finally past the cantilever, so hopefully this starts to really fly.

Furqan Feb 10, 2017 6:13 AM

Looks Amazing

NYguy Feb 13, 2017 3:37 AM

Jack Bricker

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photoLith Feb 13, 2017 4:30 AM

Just starting to peak above the forest, this should really start moving now. Cant wait.

NYguy Feb 15, 2017 12:28 AM

Barely visible over upper Broadway...


Warren

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Prezrezc Feb 16, 2017 12:01 AM

If I may, I'd like to re-introduce myself as the SSP forumer formerly known as JayPro.
It does my heart good to finally contribute to the myriaddiscussions about new construction in the Apple.

As for this tower on the rise (finally), a few observations:

As for this spire or no spire argument, I've concluded that for where it is, the addition really isn't needed. Its simplistic contours in juxtaposition between One57 and 220CPS easily catch the eye without drawing too much attention to itself, which IMO adding the spire *would* do.
(Now if it were part of the MidtownEast rezoning, the spire would be fine....maybe if instead on top of the building it were added to one of the corners like IIRC Moscow's Federation complex's spire in the middle, which I think was scrapped(?) ).

Moving right along, the overall facade is moderately complex without leaving viewers scratching their heads. Lastly, the height of the cantilever from street level (How tall?) is impressive to an almost daunting level, giving the tower a further sense of awesome presence.

What we have here is the tallest of NYC's new crop of giants striking an incredibly difficult, yet IMO seamless balance between profound subtlety and sheer verticality.

I say top-out by Memorial Day at the latest.

jl4069 Feb 16, 2017 2:47 AM


Have to say that the progress since August September is very very small.
Have a look at page 211 of this thread to see the progress from September. I gotta go by the site a see how much activity is going on. The latest pictures show almost no one on the roof. Painfully slow. j

NYguy Feb 16, 2017 3:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jl4069 (Post 7713817)
Have to say that the progress since August September is very very small.
Have a look at page 211 of this thread to see the progress from September. I gotta go by the site a see how much activity is going on. The latest pictures show almost no one on the roof. Painfully slow. j

Using that reasoning, how many people do you count on 220 CPS? Is that moving too slow as well? I think you're assuming that there is a full workforce on these towers every day, which there isn't. There are some sites that have an active workforce on the weekends, but not many.

As far as how slow the progress is here, it's slow, but it's not like we're waiting for the most dynamic tower to get built. If this were the only game in town, I might be more concerned with the pace, due to the excitement. But there is simply way too much going on in New York to get concerned about it. Barnett could put this on ice for a couple of years, and I wouldn't be bothered. This just happens to be the tallest of the new supertall towers being built in New York. It's hardly the most exciting. It will dominate from sheer size of course.




Quote:

Originally Posted by Prezrezc
As for this spire or no spire argument, I've concluded that for where it is, the addition really isn't needed. Its simplistic contours in juxtaposition between One57 and 220CPS easily catch the eye without drawing too much attention to itself, which IMO adding the spire *would* do.

Is that not what the tallest towers are supposed to do? Is not the Empire State such an icon because it was the tallest, the spire topping a vast skyline of other skyscrapers, screaming "look at me"?

This tower will be the tallest in Midtown, with or without the spire. It will stand above the Empire State, One Vanderbilt, 111 W. 57th, 30 Hudson, the Chrysler, 53W53, BofA, all towers that have an apex with variations on the New York spire/crown that the skyline is known for, all standing above row after row of boxes (people don't generally think of buildings like the GE, Met Life, Chase, as skyline defining towers).

The New York skyline is seen from a number of angles, most often not the ones we generally think of. This building will matter more than others because it will be the most visible. As is currently planned, the apex doesn't do this city or it's skyline justice. But it will be what it will be. It will be thrown into the mix same as the others. It just should have been a better representation of a skyline defining tower in New York.

JZeig1 Feb 16, 2017 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 7713888)
This tower will be the tallest in Midtown, with or without the spire. It will stand above the Empire State, One Vanderbilt, 111 W. 57th, 30 Hudson, the Chrysler, 53W53, BofA, all towers that have an apex with variations on the New York spire/crown that the skyline is known for, all standing above row after row of boxes (people don't generally think of buildings like the GE, Met Life, Chase, as skyline defining towers).

The New York skyline is seen from a number of angles, most often not the ones we generally think of. This building will matter more than others because it will be the most visible. As is currently planned, the apex doesn't do this city or it's skyline justice. But it will be what it will be. It will be thrown into the mix same as the others. It just should have been a better representation of a skyline defining tower in New York.

BRAVO!!! I've been reading Ur post for a while. 1 of Ur best. :cheers: :goodpost:

City Wide Feb 16, 2017 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prezrezc (Post 7713643)
What we have here is the tallest of NYC's new crop of giants striking an incredibly difficult, yet IMO seamless balance between profound subtlety and sheer verticality.

I say top-out by Memorial Day at the latest.

Memorial Day in what year?

streetscaper Feb 20, 2017 8:57 AM

https://abload.de/img/220cpsouthkbups.jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/528360...n/photostream/

excel Feb 20, 2017 7:07 PM

Amazing photo.

NYguy Feb 21, 2017 2:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JZeig1 (Post 7714047)
BRAVO!!! I've been reading Ur post for a while. 1 of Ur best. :cheers: :goodpost:

I agree, lol.




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Originally Posted by excel (Post 7718174)
Amazing photo.

Give it a couple of years, it'll be 10 times as amazing. Here's another for a sense of scale...


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Michael Lee


And the circle...


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NYguy Feb 21, 2017 1:28 PM

For the people worrying about the lack of sun in the park, the shadows these towers will bring...


Video Link

chris08876 Feb 22, 2017 12:45 AM

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gramsjdg Feb 22, 2017 2:52 AM

Looks like the core is about 5 floors above the cantilever...

NYguy Feb 22, 2017 3:18 AM

I still predict that blank wall will be covered, similar to what was done with 3 Manhattan West.

City Wide Feb 22, 2017 5:21 AM

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Originally Posted by gramsjdg (Post 7719647)
Looks like the core is about 5 floors above the cantilever...

for some reason I thought the cantilever was suppose to be some staggering distance, like 20 feet. What these photos show doesn't look like such a big deal. Is there more to come?

ILNY Feb 24, 2017 5:45 AM

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December 10
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February 20, one floor in over two months. We are watching snail race between 1CP and 111 W 57th.

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chris08876 Mar 3, 2017 1:14 AM

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NYguy Mar 7, 2017 5:43 PM

Marion LARGUIER

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Madeleine (nmp)

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streetscaper Mar 7, 2017 7:09 PM

It looks like there's a lot more yellow formwork up top now, right?

NYguy Mar 8, 2017 1:13 AM

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Originally Posted by streetscaper (Post 7733189)
It looks like there's a lot more yellow formwork up top now, right?

From a few weeks ago...


Brandon Nagle

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jl4069 Mar 8, 2017 5:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by streetscaper (Post 7733189)
It looks like there's a lot more yellow formwork up top now, right?

Yes this is pretty new. Within the last few weeks. Tough to tell if they are going to move this upwards in a significant way or if they are working part time. j

Zapatan Mar 8, 2017 5:53 PM

Finally it looks like there's some progress, not a ton, but better than nothing.

Mr Saturn64 Mar 8, 2017 8:58 PM

And to think that in some time, we'll look back at these pictures of this building as a small slab of concrete while we look at it as part of the skyline as a greater hole... time flies...

chris08876 Mar 10, 2017 12:40 AM

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Zapatan Mar 10, 2017 3:19 AM

Okay glass is there, now it's officially really exciting :)

streetscaper Mar 11, 2017 9:33 PM

From 3/11/17

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Mandarin Oriental view of snowy Central Park and Columbus Circle. #ShotOniPhone7Plus by Noel Y. Calingasan (nyclovesnyc), on Flickr

NYguy Mar 12, 2017 3:15 AM

Hello world...



Thailandtarot

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NYguy Mar 13, 2017 1:33 AM

Another peek from beyond...


deepaqua

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faridnyc Mar 13, 2017 3:43 PM

can't wait to see cpt joint the skyline

NYguy Mar 14, 2017 12:42 AM

MARCH 13, 2017

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NYguy Mar 18, 2017 12:53 AM

Central Park Tower to be dethroned by - The Big Bend. ;)

Just a concept, see more here....
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...=1#post7744003


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oiiostudio

chris08876 Mar 18, 2017 12:58 AM

With the right design, and maybe facade, hell, it would be a cool experiment. Its always cool when cities experiment, and that gamble might turn out in the end to be great.

I'd support this concept under the right conditions.

NYguy Mar 18, 2017 1:02 AM

^ It makes the Central Park Tower look decent in that rendering.

N830MH Mar 19, 2017 12:42 AM

Excuse me, what is number#7 Big Bend Tower? Is going to be build a super tallest tower? On what floors is it?

NYCLuver Mar 19, 2017 7:54 AM

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Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 7744732)
Excuse me, what is number#7 Big Bend Tower? Is going to be build a super tallest tower? On what floors is it?

It isn't a real proposal. :)

Peterjon Mar 19, 2017 10:46 AM

I agreed but one thing SF building would be 750 feet tall. But Central park tower!! we know the height of it.

faridnyc Mar 19, 2017 3:34 PM

In this rendering the cpt look has a spire ,wish it will have one's

NYguy Mar 20, 2017 1:15 AM

As of now, it won't. But it does look better with it, even though the building is boxy.

NYguy Mar 22, 2017 2:11 AM

MARCH 21, 2017


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58th and 57th facades again:


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streetscaper Mar 22, 2017 3:05 AM

Great updates!.. I'm guessing there's a film for the cladding that leaves it so opaque for now?

ILNY Mar 23, 2017 1:01 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 7747575)


Nice updates, where is tower entrance?

NYguy Mar 23, 2017 3:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by streetscaper (Post 7747632)
Great updates!.. I'm guessing there's a film for the cladding that leaves it so opaque for now?

Most likely.




Quote:

Originally Posted by ILNY (Post 7748694)
Nice updates, where is tower entrance?

I don't recall, but you would think it would be to the left in that 58th street render. But that's where the enclosed pedestrian passageway between the Arts League building is supposed to be.

NYguy Mar 24, 2017 4:18 PM

Snippet fron Barnett interview.

https://therealdeal.com/2017/03/24/t...ian-bk-towers/


Quote:

You were hoping to score a construction loan for Central Park Tower to replace the $235 million Blackstone land loan, but you ended up refinancing. What went wrong?

We were not ready for it. This is a significant loan. We have to be far down the road in terms of buying out the job. We did an interim bridge loan till the end of the year. Blackstone stayed on for a small piece of the deal, and JPMorgan came in as the lead. Now we are ready for a construction loan in the neighborhood of $900 million and we expect to get one in the next few months. That only represents $1,800 a foot. It would be a very conservative construction loan.

How did you link up with SMI, your Chinese equity partner on Central Park Tower?

SMI was brought in to us by a broker. It took us a long time to negotiate a deal. They were very tough negotiators, but at the end of the day, we got a deal done that worked for everybody.

NYguy Mar 27, 2017 2:25 PM

Still no really good renders for this...


http://smithgill.com/work/central_park_tower/

Quote:

In June 2012, Extell announced its plans to build its newest landmark along Manhattan’s premier 57th Street corridor. Rising to over 1,550 feet above Manhattan, Central Park Tower will be New York’s tallest residential tower.

The building will include ultra-luxury condominium residences, dynamic amenity spaces as well as a 285,000-square-foot Nordstrom department store. This new 7-story flagship store will be Nordstrom’s flagship location in New York City. Designed by the world-renowned architectural firm, Adrian Smith+ Gordon Gill Architecture, with interiors by Rottet Studio, Central Park Tower will redefine the famed NewYork City skyline. The transparent and delicately designed base facade allows for natural light to illuminate the department store interior. Above the base, the tower begins to setback from the street edge and yield unprecedented views of Central Park, the city and beyond.


jayden Mar 27, 2017 3:09 PM

I wonder how many New Yorkers are even aware of what kind of monster this will be.


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