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^^ I believe I read once that they incorporated voids to reduce wind resistance.
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Looks like big open mechanical space. There's a cage ladder and a callout to see mechanical sheets for the layout. You'd need to the MEP drawings to see what's actually there. I'm guessing that's where most of the buildings mechanical stuff is going because there's not a lot of room up top.
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The Schedule A, which breaks down the uses doesn't specify that opening... http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/BS...de=ES008579317 I remember from looking at the model, there is some open/atrium space, but I don't know how it all fits in. https://radiiinc.com/shop-111-west-57th-amenities https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...g?format=1000w https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...pg?format=750w https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...pg?format=750w https://www.instagram.com/p/Biek_VJn...-by=itsrosinaa https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram...23674880_n.jpg |
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https://78.media.tumblr.com/ec86ce5a...o1_r1_1280.jpg So if you look at the cutaway-model diagram you posted it looks like the atrium above the residential amenity gym does go up to Level 11. But that still leaves 6 floors (12-18) of open space. Quote:
Floor 14 https://78.media.tumblr.com/c0b9715a...o1_r1_1280.jpg Floor 15 https://78.media.tumblr.com/8dffbf0d...o1_r1_1280.jpg There's that cage ladder inside the enclosure around the elevators. But the whole south face (looking towards 57th st) is open with the glass curtain wall looking down onto the fitness patio. I guess the main issue is that we would need an MEP engineer to say what kind of equipment requires a 6 floor high space. But, throughout the rest of the documents available online all the main mechanical systems are accounted for, for example: (from another PDF at https://therealdeal.com/wp-content/u...ned_Part10.pdf) https://78.media.tumblr.com/e950948f...jlpo1_1280.png https://78.media.tumblr.com/e74ff276...jlpo2_1280.png https://78.media.tumblr.com/45af020d...jlpo3_1280.png I know this is getting overly scrutinizing but I think it's really interesting how much non-rentable space this building has in it, including entire floors of the old Steinway Hall building. Again on the floor plans posted above, the upper levels of both condominiums have a small amount of useable space but then are mostly void, including a lot of full windows that I guess will just be blacked out? It doesn't seem like all the rooms will be double height to the point of having two rows of windows. It's almost like this building is so luxurious that the architect / developer decided it was worth surrounding the apartments with emptiness to give them more privacy and lessen the load and occupancy. Maybe I'm reading into it and there really is an insane amount of venting/piping/compressors etc. because a tower like this is pretty much a contained city. But floors 2, 9, 12, and 15 are all full height with no residential, commercial, or obvious mechanical function. And then the only storage space the residents have available to them are those tiny cubbies in the basement that cost like $300,000 extra. Here's one more plan, from the northern portion of floor 18: (from the same PDF at http://www.insensation.com/wp-conten...loor-Plans.pdf) https://78.media.tumblr.com/86859f54...jlpo1_1280.png Ok, this one does say mechanical space, but it's still a huge, full-height, fully window-lined room looking onto 58th street that would make a great covert JDS/Illuminati office. I would want to use it if I wasn't so set on living in Duplex 60-61 which might be the best unit except for the very very top one. And also, what about the windbreak floors? Are they safe to use as patios for a BBQ? |
^ You're right... large parts do actually have window access. I don't get it. Maybe it's an FAR zoning thing so they could get the desired height?
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It suspect they are on two mechanical floors now and those tend to take a little longer to complete from what I have seen.
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It could T/O now
And holy crap that would be tall For the area. But instead, SHoP makes no small plans. What do you think, art spook? |
Currently at Floor 62. 808 feet.
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Sweet Lord, this thing will be absurd when topped out.
Absurd in the best possible way. |
Looks good, but is it true that traffic through Central Park has been closed?
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The south-facing glass and vertical spandrels(?) seem a good bit darker than I thought.
I know that reflected sunlight isn't playing a role here; but still... |
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Same with Prospect Park, BTW. |
:previous: They are ruining the city! :rolleyes:
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:previous: When a building is retrofitted with additional height, are they subjected to the "Air Rights" allocation of air space?
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As much as I'd love to see this in her completed form, I appreciate that this is a slow one. Soon will come the time when it is complete, but for now it is an exciting future I am excitedly anticipating. This one will make a mark in skyscraper history, and seeing her flourish into reality is a dream our eyes have the privilege to witness.
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This will have a similar impact you get from the ESB for sure! ;)
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:previous: This is seriously a thin tower. :hyper:
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This is such an eclectic era in architecture.
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Here's the thing, though. Eclectic, yes; but truly daring? Not really. And, matter of fact, not altogether necessary. With the assumptions that American cities that wish to grow have: A. The capital to do so and B. A mindset conducive to understanding how prevalent economic conditions affect how that capital is spent, there needs to be a keen understanding of how to harness architectural expressions around the things they need to grow. And in that respect, the old, yet trusted algorithm of "form follows function" needs to change with it. That said, with more artistic liberties having been taken by American architects than ever before, there is now the capability to think beyond boxes in which city planners have sequestered themselves since I daresay the 1950's. This engineering marvel of a beauty of a future city landmark shows how both concepts work hand in hand. The "F-cubed" (F³) idea applies especially to 53W53/TV when you consider this as MOMA's signature tower. Nordstrom, the hulking towers at HY and WTC show certain levels of boldness or, if you like, brute presence; but in genreal, their function--and how economic circumstances have in various ways have changed or diminished that over the years--limits what visual dramatics could've otherwise come to fruition. Somewhat conversely, this, along with the other present/future supertalls of Billionaire's Row/57th do flaunt their grace; but again, their function as magnets for insanely rich internationals is served. We are blessed to have a tower of this quality in this city for all these reasons. Because in vast swaths of Asian urbanity from Dubai to Shangai, it'd soon find itself a quarter-occupied vanity project with perhaps minimal thought given to actual purpose. |
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"It could T/O now
And holy crap that would be tall For the area. But instead, SHoP makes no small plans. What do you think, art spook?' - Skyguy 7 dont know Skyguy . . I find this building more & more entertaining . . as it is now, it's great . . somewhat higher it'll be very striking . . all the way up, its proportions will be somewhat ridiculously horrorflick-ish . . but then, I sometimes prefer spooky things . . |
This is why Midtown rules!! ;)
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That's just how I "roll', as it were. Call it a weakness on my part...As long as make my points well enough to keep the mods happy and my colleagues interested, I'm satisfied. BTW That terra-cotta is a hell of a lot shinier than I thought it would be. The dawn/dusk pics will be stunning. |
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:goodpost: Very nice Central Park views. :)
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The angle from 5th Ave is excellent. Probably best angle to really appreciate the finer details.
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I think allot of people will be surprised when this is built.
This tower screams TALL! :D |
I'm legitimately having a hard time imagining this thing topped out, considering how tall it already looks.
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^ It will have everyone looking in awe.
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Far too thin for the purists, blah blah, but it's a very impressive spire and will have some heads a turning soon enough.
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I'll wait for the final result, but the more I look at this, I'm like, "is this Deco pastiche??" I wish the allusions were a little more subtle. The form of the wall covering against the obviously modern form of the structure makes for a bit of a conflict. Granted, that relational quality won't be perceived once the structure is fully covered over, but for now it's aesthetic dis-harmony.
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