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Here's another tract, or development, this time in the Pacific Palisades.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/afsgz7.jpg
Huntington Archive............Riviera Development, Pacific Palisades....Los Angeles 1926





Let's take a closer look.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/cDPv5L.jpg

As you can see the development area in the foreground is void of houses but there are several structures across the (unnamed) road.



A rather impressive home.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/J04cQi.jpg







and a few more on the far right.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/6YfpvT.jpg

:previous: I suspect the small sign on the near-side of the road is advertising the new development.

^ ^ oops. I just realized I cropped out two men standing by their cars looking at the land.


Here they are on the left side. The before mentioned sign is in the center.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/c2wyWa.jpg

A prospective buyer?

or have they noticed the dead body beneath the white sheet?
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:previous:


I just found one more structure. . .

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/48Cj7K.jpg

. . .and a tree with perhaps a man hanging standing under it. :shrug:





P.S. If anyone noticed the small white 'spot' on the left in the panorama photograph it is a shaved off side of a hill.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/PYHHcM.jpg

See, what did I tell ya.

Now find that shaved-off hill. :superwhip

I'm just kidding.
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It looks like 2340 E Glenoaks Boulevard.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...EGlenoaks1.jpg
Google Maps

BTW. The top image is part of the Security Pacific National Bank Collection at LAPL.

Glen Oaks
 

I believe it is N. of Glendale almost to La Cresenta and Montrose.

Frank Meline Co. California Riviera tract office.


https://i.imgur.com/BUpMIwK.jpg
huntington.org

https://i.imgur.com/Pza1xgN.jpg
raremaps.com


The tract office was close to the corner of present day Sunset Blvd. and Capri Drive.


https://i.imgur.com/mjEBgmG.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/TROLU1C.jpg
Google Maps

I was visiting one of my favorite sites, the Online Etymology Dictionary, and was startled to see at the top of the page of one of the postings an old friend, the cactus in front of the Round House, which structure was located on the west side of Main St. between 3rd and 4th.

https://www.etymonline.com/columns/p...-understanding

--which of course turned my thoughts to said Round House (not to be confused with the round Panorama Building, which was on the east side of the street); and just for fun, I looked at the Wikipedia article on it, which wrongly states that it was "torn down in 1889." Well, no it wasn't, Wikipedia, no it wasn't.

Let's start with a picture of the place as it looked early on:

https://i.postimg.cc/fTQXjrMQ/RoundH.jpg
odinthor collection

The forecast:

https://i.postimg.cc/s2xZgF47/RoundH...T-1886-7-2.jpg
LA Times, July 2, 1886.

The auction announcement:

https://i.postimg.cc/P5tw0vL6/RoundH...r-1886-7-2.jpg
LA Herald, July 2, 1886.

But that was not the end of the Round House! It went to Boyle Heights, or was confidently supposed to be going to Boyle Heights (the wording perhaps suggests that the someone who bought it at auction at least intended to move it there; but, as we will see in a moment, it could not have actually been there yet):

https://i.postimg.cc/8zt6GkMT/RoundH...r-1886-7-8.jpg
LA Herald, July 8, 1886.

But the tear-down was not actually taking place until August 5th:

https://i.postimg.cc/GpfTBMXN/RoundH...T-1886-8-5.jpg
LA Times, August 5, 1886.

I know of nothing further about it being in Boyle Heights. Can anyone ferret out if it was ever actually erected there, and in what location, or at least who the purchaser was? (It could be that it in taking it apart at the Main St. site, it was found to be in too poor condition for further use.)

But it was not "torn down in 1889."

It's actually sort of east Glendale (right above Eagle Rock). It's one of the two canyons that connect to the North Arroyo part of Pasadena. There's some great architecture in these canyons, including two Lloyd Wrights.

Here's a photo of the tract in the 20s. I found it on a vintage Glendale Facebook group a while ago.
https://i.imgur.com/vUJxGZN.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/JUXLe9l.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/SWaJxat.jpg
Google Maps

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Here's a closer look at the 'Glen Oaks Tract' house.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/LSpFbr.jpg



As you can see (below) the house still has its original shutters!

found by HossC
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/IW35m6.jpg
GSV

I am surprised this little house survived all these years. (a hundred years perhaps!)

I imagine the owners would love to see the old LAPL photograph.


Thanks for locating the house, Hoss! :)


And thanks to Herrenz for the very informative follow-up post.
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RE:...California Riviera tract.

Noir Noir, you certainly discovered a wealth of information.

I had noticed the signs atop the ranch style building (shown below) but I didn't connect it to the tract. :duh ..... I guess because it was across the road.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/VG0kNY.jpg
detail


I was struck by this excellent photograph of the sells office.

Originally posted by Noir Noir
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/Ou60jD.jpg
huntington collection





It looks like this poor gentleman on the left is getting the hard sell from one of the agents. :haha:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/sSnbAr.jpg
detail







It appears to be busy inside.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/5QS45b.jpg


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Correct, Glenoaks goes up the canyon east of Glendale to a golf course on a landfill. I believe the Llyod Wrights are on Chevy Chase which is north of Glenoaks and heads northeast to La Canada Flintridge.

Historic Herald Examiner building reopens in downtown L.A. - Los Angeles Times

http://www.heraldexaminerbuilding.co..._gallery_2.jpg
(heraldexaminerbuilding.com)

https://www.latimes.com/business/sto...wn-los-angeles

http://www.heraldexaminerbuilding.com/

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Warning: Meandering post and somewhat disorganized.


odinthor your post about the Round House having been moved to Boyle House was certainly intriguing.

Especially your newspaper excerpt (shown below) that pretty much said the Round House was already in Boyle Heights.

Originally posted by odinthor
https://i.postimg.cc/8zt6GkMT/RoundH...r-1886-7-8.jpg
LA Herald, July 8, 1886.

What if the author had simply meant to say "has been" instead of "is being". ...I guess we'll never know. :(

I found just one reference to the move to Boyle Heights in a article - Here

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/BCjNPv.jpg
KCET





Here's a Round House post (with a photograph) from back in 2013, Link. . .before it was a drinking establishment. . .before it was the 'Garden of Paradise'. . .and before it was briefly a kindergarten.

By the time it was a drinking establishment and surrounded by Lehman's Garden of Paradise the roof had been extended out over the building like an umbrella and a second story balcony was added as well.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/RHbP1Q.jpg

If you look closely the sign reads Garden of Paradise.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/QRTykG.jpg

Lehman's Garden of Paradise (sometimes referred to as Lehman's Garden of Eden) included statuary of Adam & Eve & Cain & Abel. There was even a Serpent up in an orange tree!

One account that I found mentioned a Flying Horse on a "framework" (like a swing?). A later account mentions Flying Horses (PLURAL) and places them on a carousel.

Sadly, no one knows what happened to the statuary or the carousel.











Postscript:...I would be remiss if I didn't mention the person who built the round house (pre-George Lehman)


The Round House was built by Ramón Alexander, an ex-sailor who was shipwrecked near San Pedro in 1848. The structure was made out of adobe brick (water and loam)

"Adobe yearns to return to the state of mud. Adobe houses have to be protected or they melt in the rain. Alexander’s solution was a cone-shaped, shingled roof that made a skirt about 10 feet wide around his round house. The roof was a wooden umbrella that was another story tall. The roof and its supports created a porch at the ground floor and a circular veranda on the second."....KCET

I initially thought George Lehman added the wider roof and balcony.

And it appears a flagpole was added to the top of the roof in March of 1860. (the photographs that I have seen show a weathervane at the top)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/8sBmMl.jpg

Hmm. .so what flag was flown? Old Glory or a German flag?





Oh, & one more thing. . .
tovanger2 includes alot of this same information in her post, Here.
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Delete

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I wonder how many of those nice oak woods are left? Descanso Gardens nearby still has nice examples. But decades of urbanization, drought and wildfires have taken a toll on the oaks, sycamores, walnuts, bay laurels, alders, conifers at higher elevations and other native trees of L.A., which used to be widespread, especially near the hills, mountains and streams. Parts of Los Angeles and environs were once an "oak land".

Look at those dense oak woods and high thick chaparral behind the house.

Here are three reasons to doubt the veracity of the article that says the Round House was moved to Boyle Heights:
1) it appears to be the only one that does.
2) the first part of that article talks about there being a log cabin from the 1840s on Main Street, which I think is at least questionable. So maybe
the whole article is a lot of hooey.
3) the Los Angeles correspondent of San Francisco's The Elevator reported on September 1, 1886, that the Round House had been demolished.

While I couldn't find who bought the Round House, I managed to find who owned the Round House property on Main Street:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...to_Lothian.jpg

November 24, 1882, Los Angeles Herald @ CDNC/UCR


Archibald Lothian died on February 21, 1883. Isaac A. Lothian filed for a quit claim deed on the Round House property at the end of the year.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...n_deceased.jpg

December 30, 1883, Los Angeles Herald @ CDNC/UCR


And then there are these; perhaps the old Round House lot was subdivided?:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...to_Lothian.jpg


https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...uth_of_3rd.jpg

(Both) April 6, 1886, Los Angeles Herald @ CDNC/UCR


I hope some of this has been helpful, odinthor.

:previous:

Many thanks, FW! Very useful information.

I can add something about the log cabin:

https://i.postimg.cc/QNKS2bkf/Log-Ca...r-1886-7-8.jpg
LA Herald, July 8, 1886.

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Here's a map that shows the Glen Oaks Tract. (1927)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/Yrvf6y.jpg
LAPL


"A map showing the location of the new Glen Oaks Tract in Glendale, located in the northeast portion. It states, "Glen Oaks has an ideal climate with a daily cool breeze direct from the ocean." Also, "Five great viaducts will soon permit a choice of easy routes from downtown Los Angeles or Hollywood to Glen Oaks." The bridges are indicated on the map."


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This photograph caught my eye a month or so ago on eBay. I believe the description was "Los Angeles area"....(the license plate is California)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/DyTlJC.jpg
Ebay

I see that the dapper man is wearing driving gloves.



The smaller plate on the bumper looks like it contains Chinese characters


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/DN4KyW.jpg
detail

. .or Phoenician.


(I doubt it's Phoenician)
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I see a possible connection between George Lehman, of the Round House, and Elijah H. Workman, who moved the log cabin from Main St. to his residence on Boyle Heights (address 120 S. Boyle):

In this, "the park" refers to what is now Pershing Square.

https://i.postimg.cc/BnYcXYT9/Round-...-1897-7-16.jpg
LA Herald, July 16, 1897

And whom were the trees largely from? Elijah H. Workman:

https://i.postimg.cc/Wzzsb4TP/Round-...-1906-7-18.jpg
LA Herald, July 18, 1906

A later reflection:

https://i.postimg.cc/0Qb89Q81/Round-...-1931-6-24.jpg
LA Times, June 24, 1931

Speculation: Lehman's helping to plant the trees and later special efforts to water the trees or tree seedlings which were supplied by Workman perhaps grew from a friendship between the two, or at least could hardly not have engendered subsequent good feelings between the two. Workman having already just moved a log cabin from Main St. to Boyle Heights, he may well have been in a mood to honor his now-deceased friend by also moving a structure so associated with that friend Lehman, the Round House. I suspect, then, that it was Workman who bought the place and, now possessing it via owning the structure (hence the line in the article that Boyle Heights "possesses" the Round House), let his plans about moving it to Boyle Heights be known, and so it was already looked on by at least one reporter as being a certainty. Going further out on a limb, I then suspect that, when it came time to actually take down the Round House and prepare it for moving, it was found that it was in too bad shape for the move and/or to be re-erected, and so the plans were dropped.

:cheers:

The eastern portion of the Glenoaks development was never built, instead becoming the Scholl Canyon landfill.

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Mystery street corner.


I happened upon three slides (on eBay) that show a parade in Los Angeles in the 1940s.

Here are two of the three.

Seller's description:...Los Angeles Street Scene Signs Parade 1940s 35mm Slide Red Border Kodachrome B

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/zQm7hU.jpg
eBay

Does anyone recognize the street corner?



Slide #2

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/BjXfi9.jpg
eBay

:previous: The Blarney Stone Cafe.. "One All Night".....................................................................Is that Will Rogers?



The third slide is almost a duplicate of the second slide. . .


. .except for these three different flags marching by.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/FGBVFW.jpg
detail

I have no idea what the parade is commemorating. Does anyone want to wager a guess -



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parade
 

These people are marching east on W. 1st street from Broadway. The flags in the last picture are the Royal Standard of Scotland, Old Glory, and the Union Jack. Note the pipers behind the flags.

While you were speculating productively, I was having a dream.

Me and Sanborn were wandering past Elijah Workman's place at 120 S. Boyle in 1894.


https://i.imgur.com/UszRLpN.jpg


And there it was sitting proudly in the grounds.

The old Round House!

:eeekk:











But then I awoke ... and it was gone.


https://i.imgur.com/GUn4P1m.jpg
www.loc.gov


Across the street at John Amestoy's place (131), the sound of a windmill's blades creaking gently in the breeze lulled me back to dreams again.


:runaway:

:previous:

Thanks, Noir_Noir! Dreams are important: "'Dreams! Dreams!' some may say [disparagingly]. If it were not for the dreamers, there would not be much accomplished in this world. Have a vision of the things you want to do, and then have the purpose of mind, the stability to stick at it and work it out and you will get results" (E.G. Hill, successful hybridizer, in the 1922 American Rose Annual).

And your posting gives me an idea. It would be useful? interesting? to have the dimensions of the log cabin which has found mention recently. Until Elijah Workman moved it, he had been giving it refuge on his lot on Main between 11th and 12th for quite some time (according to one of the articles). Could anyone with access to early (pre-1886) Sanborn maps check to see if said cabin can be spotted on that lot, and what specs are indicated for it?

Great picture of the dude with the car, ER. Looks like an Ivy League gangster and the car looks like a gangster car. Thanks.

Any idea where?

We lived on 5th street and Crescent Heights back in the 70's, Our neighbors had two gangster uncles. Whenever they left the house, one would come out, look up and down the street, then motion to the other one waiting in the doorway. And this was Crescent Heights.

Looking for something else, I just ran across this pic of the famous old Aliso Tree, and am wondering if the image is new to NLA (I didn't see it in a quick search):

https://i.postimg.cc/BbYxx5Zj/Aliso-...T-1899-1-1.jpg
LA Times, January 1, 1899.

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A recent find on eBay. (no longer listed)

Here's an intriguing rppc of what looks like a hotel.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/wgRfwP.jpg


What makes it especially interesting is the fact that it was postmarked at Colegrove Station! (shown below)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/mjluZ3.jpg


And as most of you know, Colegrove, before it disappeared from maps, was directly south of Hollywood.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/HQHmso.jpg
1900 topographic map. Courtesy of the USGS Historical Topographic Map Collection.

via KCET

I glanced through some of the old nla post that mention Colegrove but I didn't see any photographs that resembled the structure shown in the rppc.

The seller added this:..."The banner on the home may have something to do with a tailor.
Hard to make out."


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Is that Will Rogers? Only if he reincarnated for the parade.

The Los Angeles Sanborn Maps only go back to 1888, and the grounds of Elijah Workman's 120 S. Boyle Avenue appear to be the same
in 1888 as they did in 1894. The largest of the two buildings at the rear of the property looks to be maybe 10' x 12', should one of
those be the cabin from the 1886 parade.

I checked the Huntington Digital Library, but I found no maps showing Workman's place at 11th and Main. USC has a photo of that
Workman property, but there's no old cabin in the frame: https://digitallibrary.usc.edu/Share...ar2u2u1as32xmp

What do we think of the USCDL's new format?

The July 6, 1886, Los Angeles Times' description of the July 4 parade mentions the man who apparently moved the same cabin
described in your earlier post:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...e_-_marked.jpg

ProQuest via La Public Library

:previous:

Thanks, FW! I really appreciate it.

The house-mover in question appears to be William A. Tibbetts. "Tibbetts" is a name which can vary infinitely in records, I've found; but in the 1884-1885 CD I find him as "Tibbetts W.A.", at 33 Temple; and, in 1888, "Tibbetts William A." residing on the east side of North Chestnut "nr Pasadena Av". By 1902, he's "Tibbits Wm A" at 458 N Avenue 121 (if it's the same person) . . . and . . . I didn't check any further . . .

Thanks for the information, Lorendoc, and for identifying the flags. ....It's sad that the whole area is long gone.

I wonder what kind of 'Magic Oil' Tuey was selling...

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/eN3SXL.jpg
detail


I tried to find more information on the seemingly out of place Blarney Stone Cafe but, unless I overlooked it, it doesn't appear in any of the city directories.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/cV4SuC.jpg
detail



That's why they were having the parade.





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Where us the HAHA!!!! button?

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Mystery penguins.


Seller's description:..."Vintage 1920’s Los Angeles Gas Station w/ 2 Penguins Snapshot"


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/KtXQM5.jpg
eBay

Actually it's out of work actors in penguin costumes! . . .at a gas station.





I initially thought it was a marketing ploy for a drive-through film developing hut because there's a picture of a box camera in the window.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/CogoAn.jpg
detail

Then I realized it's a picture of a car battery. :blush:... . or a washing machine.



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You're expecting to find the Blarney Stone Cafe on No Irish LA? ;)

I found this reference with a matching address at 234 W 1st Street in a publication dated at 1942. The 1942 CD lists a restaurant belonging to Mrs Agatha Buckendorff at that location, but the business name is given.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...StoneCafe1.jpg
www.jstor.org

The 1956 CD shows The Redwood House at 234 W 1st Street. It's visible in a 1958 picture at the Huntington Digital Library which shows the corner building being demolished.

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That's a good find, Hoss. I looked and looked and found nothing.


Here's a closer look at the Huntington photograph showing the old Blarney Stone space (Redwood House) and the corner building that had the fountain service.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/eZ29vb.jpg

Seeing that corner building being torn down makes me sad. Imagine all the memories people had shopping there & visiting the fountain service.




I'm trying to figure out how the Redwood House sign has a R and E at the beginning. . .all I see is ODWOOD.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/jiWaWK.jpg

It looks vaguely nautical to me. .like a ship's wheel or a float....Or perhaps the circle part is supposed to be a wagon wheel. :shrug:




By the way as most of you know DEBS that you see on the political posters is for Ernest Debs, not the famous socialist Eugene Debs. I used to always get them confused.
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A mystery in Pasadena. (AKA..I've never seen this structure before)


Seller's description:...Pasadena, California, Water Tower and Cars in 1962, Kodachrome Slide

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/1dPkR4.jpg
eBay

If it is a water tower why all the windows?

It occurred me that this might be a Pasadena in a different state but when you look at the surroundings it certainly looks like Pasadena California.


Here's the slide.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/iM5phe.jpg
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Developers Propose a New Hollywood Office Tower
Location: Sunset Blvd. near Gower. A creation of MAD Architects, an architecture firm known for daring designs.
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-09-16/hollywood-high-rise-office-with-rooftop-restaurant-planned


https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/d...ollywood-1.jpg

FWIW, am an architect. Try hard not to comment on others designs.
This is an overwrought, over the top, out of scale, and out of context monster gussied up in some green to make it more palatable to approving entities. Am wondering if it is fancied as a locus and local home for PRC media influencers. In process of writing local community boards and City of LA Planning Department to express concerns.

FWIW, I love it. :tup:

It's LA, it's Hollywood, it's Sunset Blvd.
Who needs another boring building?

Hollywood Skyscraper
 

The government admitted there may be aliens already here from outer space, this is obviously tangible proof that there is at least one here.

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Remember this from yesterday.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/1dPkR4.jpg



I just found two other Pasadena slides that were probably taken by the same person who took the mystery fort-like water tower slide.

All three are dated 1962 and are being sold by the same eBay seller.

The newly found slides lend credence to the . .um. .that the location of the water tower is indeed Pasadena, California.



"Pasadena, California, Castle Green Hotel and Cars in 1962, Kodachrome Slide"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/h4LwuX.jpg
eBay






"Pasadena, California, Street Scene and Cars in 1962, Kodachrome Slide"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/TA9YvR.jpg
eBay

I'll add that we're looking at Bullock's Pasadena. (it's not a very good photograph)


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LOL! Well, it is from the same company that designed George Lucas' Star Wars looking museum near USC.

--My first thought is that it looked like an oven mitt.

--A lot of the building designs currently being proposed all have greenery. I'm not opposed to greenery, but my thoughts run to: Greenery needs water. Water is in lessening supply. Greenery draws insects or other pests. Do these new buildings come with gardeners.

--It would be across the street from this newish building: Emerson College.

https://cdnassets.hw.net/dims4/GG/8f...ap-emerson.jpg

Wholeheartedly agree. I also notice it's covered with lots of highly reflective surfaces. This is a fundamentally bad idea.

Those tail fins bring back memories (not all good): Drop ("duck and cover") drills in school. Smog alerts. Backyard incinerators. On hot summer days in the valley visits to Pacific Ocean Park ("POP") and Marineland. Downtown skyline dominated by City Hall, Richfield tower and the giant gasometers. Elvis. Koufax and Drysdale. Leave it to Beaver. My 3 Sons. The Mickey Mouse Club. Ed Sullivan and Bonanza on Sunday night etc. :wiseman:

Carmelita Park in Pasadena seems to have had a water tower . . .

https://i.postimg.cc/RVY121rM/Carmel...1934-11-25.jpg
LA Times, 11/25/1934

. . . but good luck seeing it under all the vines in this photo (it's at right, I guess) . . .

https://i.postimg.cc/zBqTT0hk/Carmel...1934-11-25.jpg
LA Times, 11/25/1934

:shrug:

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You found my water tower! :worship:

Thanks, odinthor.




It appears that Carmelita Park is now Carmelita Gardens and is home to on ramps and off ramps. :(

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/ZaKxPw.jpg
GSV


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Who would put gardens amongst freeway on and off ramps?

:???:

I thought there would be more pictures to find online of this building. :???:

It's unusual and "one of Pasadena's landmarks" according to the 1934 clipping.

Is this it in a 1962 aerial - same year as the Ebay picture? :shrug:


https://i.imgur.com/6bflOEh.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu


On the streets bordering Carmelita Park, I think this looks the most likely candidate.


In 1938 it's appears to be inside the park's bounds in the north west portion, tallying with odinthor's 1934 clipping.


https://i.imgur.com/ISu0lcW.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu


About here on a present day map.

https://i.imgur.com/Kbc2VLQ.jpg
Google Maps

:previous:

Is that a house with two gables in the 1938 photograph?



Here's a closer look.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/fVIqy7.jpg






And what about the discarded lumber utility poles in the lower right corner.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/VjC2d0.jpg

or are they pipes? :shrug:



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