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manny_santos Feb 17, 2023 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9866156)
Looks like the CTA has fined WestJet and Sunwing.

WestJet in regards to S22 for failure to compensate pax in due time, and Sunwing for their meltdown this past Christmas and failure to communicate info to pax in a timely manner.

Both sums are peanuts for airlines making millions in revenue, but still, glad to see the CTA acting in the interest of passengers, as it should.

https://otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/content/ca...alties-sunwing

https://otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/content/ca...alties-westjet

$126k for Sunwing and $113k for WestJet. To them it's the cost of doing business, they probably make that in revenue (ticket sales) for just one flight.

hollywoodcory Feb 18, 2023 1:25 AM

UA is also adding YYC-IAD, less than a week after WS announced it. Both routes start June 2.

UA1125 IAD 09:00 - 11:47 YYC D 319
UA2221 YYC 13:30 - 19:47 IAD D 319

thenoflyzone Feb 18, 2023 5:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9869525)
UA is also adding YYC-IAD, less than a week after WS announced it. Both routes start June 2.

UA1125 IAD 09:00 - 11:47 YYC D 319
UA2221 YYC 13:30 - 19:47 IAD D 319

UA defending its territory.

DL does that too. When FI announced KEF-DTW, DL quickly announced DTw-KEF as well.

They all do it.

hollywoodcory Feb 18, 2023 6:33 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9869902)
UA defending its territory.

DL does that too. When FI announced KEF-DTW, DL quickly announced DTw-KEF as well.

They all do it.

I get that, WS does it all the time here in YYC. But it seems odd to retaliate against a mere 3x weekly seasonal service which will have almost no impact on your hub. It seems AC is also adding YVR-IAD which I'd say was an expected response to WS. Both AC & UA are not code sharing on each other yet, which tells me neither of these routes were actually planned and added quickly in response.

In a sense, IAD has quickly become a bloodbath from Western Canada going from nothing to 3 routes within a week. Going to be a interesting summer.

Also, its nice to see the Star airlines still willingly to battle it out in YYC.

zahav Feb 18, 2023 6:49 PM

Good for WS for stepping up and adding YEG service, it's about time. Granted, some of the transborder is just replacing DL, but still, they didn't have to do it. Certainly scored them points in Edmonton after years of adding YYC and nothing else. It was really a no brainer in that they are filling some DL vacancies and also strengthening other services. The domestic adds are nice too, even if limited frequency. But limited frequency route pairs have become more prevalent since COVID I feel like. Airlines are launching routes but starting conservative, even more than before (ie. AC's YYC-YXT at 2x weekly?! AC never ran Jazz routes like that before, sub daily was rare on any Jazz route).

Need to update my flight count for WS at each airport. Last time was in December and YVR overtook YYZ for 2nd place, but YYZ was ahead of YEG in 4th place. It would be crazy if YEG overtook YYZ for 3rd spot. YVR, YEG, and YYC all had significant additions (not just new routes, but restoring frequencies). YYZ was the only one that posted some reductions, and was barely mentioned in the whole article. These are the only YYZ items:

Calgary – Toronto Increase from 81 to 84 weekly (Exceeding 2019 level)
Toronto – Halifax Increase from 26 to 35 weekly
Toronto – Las Vegas Increase from 7 to 12 weekly
Toronto – Los Angeles Increase from 7 to 13 weekly
Toronto – New York LaGuardia Reduce from 14 to 7 weekly
Toronto – Regina Increase from 4 to 6 weekly
Toronto – St. John’s NFLD Reduce from 14 to 7 weekly
Toronto – Saskatoon Increase from 6 to 7 weekly
Vancouver – Toronto Increase from 70 to 71 weekly

With these changes, it is a net increase of 13 flights. And these routes were removed entirely:
Toronto – Boston
Toronto – Chicago O’Hare
Toronto – Deer Lake
Toronto – Fredericton
Toronto – London ON
Toronto – Quebec City
Toronto – Sydney NS

Don't know the frequencies on those, but seems like a decrease overall.

nname Feb 18, 2023 8:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9869902)
UA defending its territory.

DL does that too. When FI announced KEF-DTW, DL quickly announced DTw-KEF as well.

They all do it.

And also the YYZ-SLC battle.

Dominion301 Feb 18, 2023 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by hehehe (Post 9869336)
I’d assume YUL/YYZ in Canada and thats about it

Maybe restarting YFB, maybe YOW. As far as connections go to Europe, Greenland actually only makes sense for western Canada. Anecdotally YFB (nonstop) and YOW (nonstop charters for a few weeks each summer until about 2007, and 1-stops via YFB) are the only two Canadian airports that have ever had direct service from Canada to Greenland. 7F used to fly the HS7 to NUK and later 727s to SFJ. Air Greenland was the last. They flew a short-lived weekly YFB-NUK DH1. All have been gone for many years. There’s been talk for a long time about reviving the YFB route, but it’s never happened. A Dash 8 to YFB with connections to YOW, YUL & YYZ would be the lowest risk way of restoring Canada-Greenland service.

samuelx88 Feb 19, 2023 9:20 PM

It seems like Porter's new route YOW-YQB is entirely removed from the schedule. Is it already cancelled?

Dominion301 Feb 19, 2023 9:35 PM

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Originally Posted by samuelx88 (Post 9870525)
It seems like Porter's new route YOW-YQB is entirely removed from the schedule. Is it already cancelled?

It is. Hopefully it’ll get re-announced in the future when there are more connection options over YOW.

Dominion301 Feb 20, 2023 2:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zahav (Post 9869930)
Good for WS for stepping up and adding YEG service, it's about time. Granted, some of the transborder is just replacing DL, but still, they didn't have to do it. Certainly scored them points in Edmonton after years of adding YYC and nothing else. It was really a no brainer in that they are filling some DL vacancies and also strengthening other services. The domestic adds are nice too, even if limited frequency. But limited frequency route pairs have become more prevalent since COVID I feel like. Airlines are launching routes but starting conservative, even more than before (ie. AC's YYC-YXT at 2x weekly?! AC never ran Jazz routes like that before, sub daily was rare on any Jazz route).

Need to update my flight count for WS at each airport. Last time was in December and YVR overtook YYZ for 2nd place, but YYZ was ahead of YEG in 4th place. It would be crazy if YEG overtook YYZ for 3rd spot. YVR, YEG, and YYC all had significant additions (not just new routes, but restoring frequencies). YYZ was the only one that posted some reductions, and was barely mentioned in the whole article. These are the only YYZ items:

Calgary – Toronto Increase from 81 to 84 weekly (Exceeding 2019 level)
Toronto – Halifax Increase from 26 to 35 weekly
Toronto – Las Vegas Increase from 7 to 12 weekly
Toronto – Los Angeles Increase from 7 to 13 weekly
Toronto – New York LaGuardia Reduce from 14 to 7 weekly
Toronto – Regina Increase from 4 to 6 weekly
Toronto – St. John’s NFLD Reduce from 14 to 7 weekly
Toronto – Saskatoon Increase from 6 to 7 weekly
Vancouver – Toronto Increase from 70 to 71 weekly

With these changes, it is a net increase of 13 flights. And these routes were removed entirely:
Toronto – Boston
Toronto – Chicago O’Hare
Toronto – Deer Lake
Toronto – Fredericton
Toronto – London ON
Toronto – Quebec City
Toronto – Sydney NS

Don't know the frequencies on those, but seems like a decrease overall.

Keep in mind YOW and YUL are going from 5-6x last summer (and 12x pre-pandemic mostly Dash 8 with 1-2 daily 737s) to probably 3x 737 each this summer. Those are huge cuts.

Alexcaban Feb 20, 2023 10:47 PM

Air Canada is converting YUL-BCN to year round, 4 weekly 787-8.

https://twitter.com/AeroinfoBCN/stat...SpLEESrrA&s=19

nname Feb 22, 2023 4:06 AM

Looks like AC just zeroed out the following routes through March 2024:

YVR-PEK
YVR-DEL
YYZ-PEK
YYZ-PVG
YYZ-HKG
YUL-PVG

YVR-PVG will remain 4x weekly through end of April 2024.

nname Feb 22, 2023 4:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexcaban (Post 9865903)
Seems there were some changes to AC's transborder schedule.

YUL-DFW express to mainline A220.
YUL-ORD reduced from 4 daily E75 to 2 E75 and 1 A220.
YUL/YYZ - BNA/MSP express to mainline A220.
YYZ-ATL 1 mainline A220 frequency added.

I'm sure I might have missed a few updates.

AeroRoutes posted YVR changes a few days ago.

Schedule update is still ongoing, and these changes are not in the July/August schedule yet. But looks like a lot of domestic A220 flights are upgauged, consolidated, or cut this week to make room for these flights.

Alexcaban Feb 22, 2023 5:30 AM

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Originally Posted by nname (Post 9872381)
Schedule update is still ongoing, and these changes are not in the July/August schedule yet. But looks like a lot of domestic A220 flights are upgauged, consolidated, or cut this week to make room for these flights.

Very incomplete indeed

ATL-YUL is showing 1 mainline 220 and 1 E75 but YUL-ATL 2 E75

Same for YUL-BNA showing mainline going, BNA-YUL not even loaded yet, expect the days it was Jazz.

Still lots to be fixed it seems.

thenoflyzone Feb 22, 2023 7:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 9872348)
Looks like AC just zeroed out the following routes through March 2024:

YVR-PEK
YVR-DEL
YYZ-PEK
YYZ-PVG
YYZ-HKG
YUL-PVG

YVR-PVG will remain 4x weekly through end of April 2024.

So much for China opening up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexcaban (Post 9872392)
Very incomplete indeed

ATL-YUL is showing 1 mainline 220 and 1 E75 but YUL-ATL 2 E75

Same for YUL-BNA showing mainline going, BNA-YUL not even loaded yet, expect the days it was Jazz.

Still lots to be fixed it seems.

Why does AC do that? Very weird. Seems to me if you are going to update a route, do it fully, then move on to the next one.

whatnext Feb 22, 2023 7:15 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9872940)
So much for China opening up.
.

What's the capacity like from the Chinese carriers?

nname Feb 22, 2023 8:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9872940)
So much for China opening up.

AFAIK, negotiation is still ongoing.

DEL and HKG are due to Russian airspace though.



Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9872940)
Why does AC do that? Very weird. Seems to me if you are going to update a route, do it fully, then move on to the next one.

AC loaded:

YUL-BNA-YYZ
YYZ-ATL-YUL

But not the opposite direction. Maybe there's just more people leaving YUL for BNA, and return via ATL... or they just realized they didn't order enough A220 for all the routes they want to put them on. :D

From last night's update, they removed about 90 weekly A220 flights from domestic schedule (through upgauge/downauge/consolidation, etc), so that should be enough to finish the changes, and maybe have some leftovers for YVR :D

Dominion301 Feb 22, 2023 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 9873030)
AFAIK, negotiation is still ongoing.

DEL and HKG are due to Russian airspace though.





AC loaded:

YUL-BNA-YYZ
YYZ-ATL-YUL

But not the opposite direction. Maybe there's just more people leaving YUL for BNA, and return via ATL... or they just realized they didn't order enough A220 for all the routes they want to put them on. :D

From last night's update, they removed about 90 weekly A220 flights from domestic schedule (through upgauge/downauge/consolidation, etc), so that should be enough to finish the changes, and maybe have some leftovers for YVR :D

Any chance you can provide one of your great summaries for the A220 domestic changes?

casper Feb 22, 2023 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9872940)
So much for China opening up.



Why does AC do that? Very weird. Seems to me if you are going to update a route, do it fully, then move on to the next one.

I don't know how they do any of this but I would assume they need to create the new flights before cancelling the old ones so when they cancel the system can reaccommodate passengers into the new flights.

nname Feb 22, 2023 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9873213)
Any chance you can provide one of your great summaries for the A220 domestic changes?

Already replaced my record with latest schedule, but this is quick summary of the A220 being replaced by something else from the update last night:

1x YYZ-YYC to 320
2x YYZ-YEG to 321
1x YUL-YYC to 789
5x YYZ-YUL to 4x320
2x YYZ-YHZ to 320
1x YUL-YHZ to E75
1x YYZ-LGA to 7M8

All numbers are daily flights.


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