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PHX NATIVE 929 May 26, 2010 9:33 PM

Intellectually dishonest? False statements? Point them out in detail, I beg of you.

Of course, it's easier to go the libbie route of lie, insult, and run. You've clearly perfected that tactic.

PHX NATIVE 929 May 26, 2010 9:39 PM

So we're clear, it's fine for you to call others myopic and ignoramuses, but if the tables get turned even the slightest bit, your thin-skin can't handle it and out come the very grown-up "Bag of Douche" lines? OK, got it.

Nobody loves to dish it out but crawls under a rock when it's time to take it quite like a libbie. Nobody throws out the "ad hominem" accusation while being guilty of the same "offense" at the same time quite like a libbie.

I'll have rational debate with you all day long and take you to the cleaners. Unfortunately, you'll tuck and run when backed into a corner. But surely there will be a race card to throw out as a life preserver, right?

*sighs*

dtnphx May 26, 2010 9:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PHX NATIVE 929 (Post 4854698)
So we're clear, it's fine for you to call others myopic and ignoramuses, but if the tables get turned even the slightest bit, your thin-skin can't handle it and out come the very grown-up "Bag of Douche" lines? OK, got it.

Nobody loves to dish it out but crawls under a rock when it's time to take it quite like a libbie.

*sighs*

Everytime you're on here 929 it's always some angry rant at the left. Your rationale is solely confined to your own brain. And you wonder why you get feedback when you expouse this crap. You're part of this Hate America crowd that hides behind the flag. Go sit down, tune in to Fox and masturbate your brains out.

PHX NATIVE 929 May 26, 2010 9:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dtnphx (Post 4854708)
Everytime you're on here 929 it's always some angry rant at the left. Your rationale is solely confined to your own brain. And you wonder why you get feedback when you expouse this crap. You're part of this Hate America crowd that hides behind the flag. Go sit down, tune in to Fox and masturbate your brains out.


The Hate America crowd? Do tell.

Masturbate to Fox? Nope.

Enjoy pointing out repeated Left-Wing Idiocy (participated in by about 85% of the members of this site)? Sure.

I visit this site because Skyscrapers fascinate me and occasionally there's a nugget of interesting info found between the mindless posts of libbie dreamers.

But at least you hit me with that masturbation zinger....

PHX31 May 26, 2010 9:59 PM

It's nearly impossible to "prove" anything in these left vs right debates. It's like trying to tell someone what to think or to change an opinion. Never gonna happen. The only thing don and 929 can do is whip out their dicks to see who's is bigger... or arm wrestle.

Ad hominem attacks are the only logical road to go down in these "debates". Can't change an opinion and either side is going to backup their own statements with facts that are cherry picked, so you might as well talk shit about the other person.

In this case, Don gets crushed again! He really does have the thinnest skin on the forum.

mwadswor May 26, 2010 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PHX31 (Post 4854732)
In this case, Don gets crushed again! He really does have the thinnest skin on the forum.

No, they both lose. Don has thin skin and 929 gets to act like a complete ass. I'd like to see 929 have one conversation on this forum without using the word "libbies." It seems to be the go-to response for many on the right when they come across an argument that they're not going to win: just start shouting "socialism" or "libbies" until the reasonable people in the room go away :poke:

Let me rephrase, we all lose when 2 forumers take a thread off-topic because they're more interested in pissing on each other than having a grown up conversation.

HooverDam May 26, 2010 11:06 PM

Not to get off of this thrilling brawl (Don is right by the by), but here's something I've been thinking about...

In regards to planning it seems like every 10 years Phoenix as a city has these visioning sessions, in the late 80s (or was it early 90s?) there was the "Phoenix Futures Forum" or whatever. Nothing ever seems to come of these grand plans because the public enthusiasm eventually runs out of steam, things get too complex, people realize their own lives are more important or whatever. While its nice that the planning of the city is a somewhat Democratic process, I do wonder if perhaps that process by its very nature leads to diluted, uninteresting plans.

What I'm getting at here is, cities that are regarding for being masterfully planned, whether it be DC with L'Enfants plan, Chicago with Burnhams plan, or Haussmanns plans for Paris all seem to be the visions of a single genius or a few folks who really knew what they were doing.

For a few decades Phoenix had Frank Lloyd Wright one of histories premiere architects living just next door and he had a penchant for dreaming up city plans (though I find his Broadacre City idea to be lame) it would've been very interesting to see what a Wright plan for the Valley would've looked like. Even now I wonder if instead of visioning conferences we ought to find one person or firm/small group that can come up with a plan for the cities next 100 years thats more comprehensive and of course inspiring. Maybe that person would be Will Bruder or maybe someone else, but I'd love for some architect/planner or firm to come up with such a plan at least to stir conversation.

mwadswor May 26, 2010 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by HooverDam (Post 4854859)
What I'm getting at here is, cities that are regarding for being masterfully planned, whether it be DC with L'Enfants plan, Chicago with Burnhams plan, or Haussmanns plans for Paris all seem to be the visions of a single genius or a few folks who really knew what they were doing.

For a few decades Phoenix had Frank Lloyd Wright one of histories premiere architects living just next door and he had a penchant for dreaming up city plans (though I find his Broadacre City idea to be lame) it would've been very interesting to see what a Wright plan for the Valley would've looked like. Even now I wonder if instead of visioning conferences we ought to find one person or firm/small group that can come up with a plan for the cities next 100 years thats more comprehensive and of course inspiring. Maybe that person would be Will Bruder or maybe someone else, but I'd love for some architect/planner or firm to come up with such a plan at least to stir conversation.

I have no interest in paying a firm to come up with a plan that'll make a bit of a stir, sit on the books for a while, and ultimately go absolutely no where.

If, on the other hand, we can get some steam behind implementing and actually sticking to a master plan, I think you have exactly the right idea. Let one firm come up with the design, and don't get so bogged down with the democratic process on every single little design detail. Make it illegal for the city to approve variances for x years (or decades) within the master planned area, include realistic maximum and minimum building heights in the zoning, require developers to have all their funding lined up before they start demolition of existing structures or construction of new structures (no getting half way and then either massively downsizing the project or going bankrupt like cityscape or Centerpoint). Once that's done, hire several firms to come up with their own plans with no collaboration between them and hold a vote on which plan (none is not an option :) ) to move forward with, that way you retain some of the democratic process on what we actually do, but don't have to have so many voices in the minutiae of the design.

That's my solution at least :notacrook:

HooverDam May 26, 2010 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mwadswor (Post 4854882)
I have no interest in paying a firm to come up with a plan that'll make a bit of a stir, sit on the books for a while, and ultimately go absolutely no where.

Oh yah I don't want to pay anyone to do it. :P In my silly fantasy world I wish someone like Bruder would come up with a plan on their own to try to start conversation. It would take a very civic minded person, probably in the twilight of their career who felt the need to leave a mark though to do something like that.

PHX31 May 27, 2010 4:47 AM

Please watch the video below and give me your opinions.

re: immigration

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JDo36xPYgE

I agree with what he's saying 100%, especially in his words directed to Calderon. I'm not sure how someone can't agree, that's why I'm asking for your opinions.

PhxPavilion May 27, 2010 6:19 AM

^ Calderon is an asshole. This whole immigration issue is ridiculous, nothing but idiots on both sides knee jerking and spazzing out.


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Originally Posted by PHX NATIVE 929 (Post 4854686)
Of course, it's easier to go the libbie route of lie, insult, and run. You've clearly perfected that tactic.

What is calling Michael Moore a mental midget if not insulting?

Hows that view from your horse of irony?

PHX NATIVE 929 May 27, 2010 6:44 AM

Wow. Excellent point... except I wasn't debating with Michael Moore, didn't lie about him, and didn't run from the comment. Other than that, your analysis is spot on....

Loads of intellectual giants on this board.

PHX NATIVE 929 May 27, 2010 6:48 AM

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Originally Posted by PHX31 (Post 4855370)
Please watch the video below and give me your opinions.

re: immigration

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JDo36xPYgE

I agree with what he's saying 100%, especially in his words directed to Calderon. I'm not sure how someone can't agree, that's why I'm asking for your opinions.


McClintock nails it. Five minutes of common sense and decency. Beautiful.

Leo the Dog May 27, 2010 3:10 PM

Aren't politics great?!

I never really liked FLW. When I was in school, I had a professor absolutely clown on FLW. He found it odd that he is so embraced here, when many of his structures elsewhere were "falling apart". He basically went on to say while they may look different they're not structurally sound.

I always thought that Phoenix needs(ed) a Frederick Law Olmstead. He's best known for Central Park, but a lesser known and probably more ambitious project undertaken was Boston's Emerald Necklace. I think Phoenix has so much potential with our hundreds of miles of canals and Salt River lands. We just need a master planner to transform those banks into usable pedestrian zones, not just a path with scrub brush.

Don B. May 27, 2010 9:39 PM

^ All of that is great, but if there's no money to make it happen, it won't.

I was confident that Phoenix was going to emerge from this horrific recession by this year. Now, I'm not so sure, especially when stuff like this is continuing to happen:

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...-canceled.html

A minority suppliers group that would have brought 7,000 convention attendees to Phoenix this fall has moved the meeting to Florida because of Arizona's new immigration law.

The National Minority Suppliers Development Council, Inc. released a statement, which Phoenix officials received today.

The council is the latest of several out-of-town groups that have canceled Valley meetings because of the law. Metropolitan Phoenix risks losing as much as $90 million in hotel and convention business over the next five years because of the controversy, according to one Phoenix estimate.

--don

dtnphx May 27, 2010 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by PHX NATIVE 929 (Post 4855481)
Wow. Excellent point... except I wasn't debating with Michael Moore, didn't lie about him, and didn't run from the comment. Other than that, your analysis is spot on....

Loads of intellectual giants on this board.

For someone who professes their love for skyscrapers as you did it's odd that going back just two pages of your entries shows 30 out of 40 with your paranoid, snarky political diatribes. The remaining 10 were mostly on the Suns tread. Oh, and "libbies?" :koko:

SunDevil May 28, 2010 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Don B. (Post 4856368)
^ All of that is great, but if there's no money to make it happen, it won't.

I was confident that Phoenix was going to emerge from this horrific recession by this year. Now, I'm not so sure, especially when stuff like this is continuing to happen:

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...-canceled.html

A minority suppliers group that would have brought 7,000 convention attendees to Phoenix this fall has moved the meeting to Florida because of Arizona's new immigration law.

The National Minority Suppliers Development Council, Inc. released a statement, which Phoenix officials received today.

The council is the latest of several out-of-town groups that have canceled Valley meetings because of the law. Metropolitan Phoenix risks losing as much as $90 million in hotel and convention business over the next five years because of the controversy, according to one Phoenix estimate.

--don

While $90 million is a whole hell of a lot of money for you and me, it's not that much for the city of Phoenix, especially when spread over 5 years. Also, one can't forget that we Americans have notoriously short attention spans and a year or two after all the SB1070 stuff is settled (whenever that will be) people that are boycotting now will have forgotten about it.

PHX NATIVE 929 May 28, 2010 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by dtnphx (Post 4856477)
For someone who professes their love for skyscrapers as you did it's odd that going back just two pages of your entries shows 30 out of 40 with your paranoid, snarky political diatribes. The remaining 10 were mostly on the Suns tread. Oh, and "libbies?" :koko:

Did you seriously just go back and read my last 40 postings? Obsess much? Yeah, that's not weird at all....

Since you're so interested in the breakdown of my postings, however, allow me to explain something to you. In case you haven't noticed, SB 1070 has been kinda/sorta a big deal around the Valley lately and I engaged in a fairly respectful debate on the issue on one of these threads a week or so ago. In the most recent case, I was defending right-wingers against Don's latest rant. I'm also a long-time Suns season ticket holder so that strikes my interest as well. Maybe you weren't aware there's a pretty big Suns/Lakers series in progress.

For your satisfaction, perhaps I should chime in on the height of tower cranes more often? And if I replace "libbie" with "liberal", will that suffice for you, little fella?

Now beat it. Stalkers creep me out.

Leo the Dog May 28, 2010 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Don B. (Post 4856368)
I was confident that Phoenix was going to emerge from this horrific recession by this year.

--don

Don the optimist?

I'd say we have a couple more years to go before a true recovery sets in because nothing that caused the recession was ever addressed. I'd say that we are almost in worse shape now than we were in 2005.

One day the US is going to have to address its debt problem just as Europe is today. The European debt is threatening to collapse their currency...that can't be good for the global economy.

Leo the Dog May 28, 2010 3:30 PM

CA, leaning to the right?
 
Source: http://www.cnbc.com/id/37376170/

Quote:

Are Blowouts Coming in California? With Regime Change in November?
Published: Thursday, 27 May 2010 | 9:56 AM ET
By: Larry Kudlow
CNBC Anchor

Recent GOP primary polls in the Golden State point to huge victories for Meg Whitman and Carly Fiorina.

Whitman is leading by 25 to 27 points in two polls (SurveyUSA and PPP) over Steve Poizner in the governor’s race, while Fiorina has opened up a 20 to 23 point lead against Tom Campbell in the Senate contest, with Chuck Devore trailing well behind.

Primary day is June 8.

Whitman has stayed on message, with job creation (12.6% unemployment) and solving the near-bankrupt state’s $20 billion budget deficit her top priorities. She intends to abolish the state’s capital-gains tax while knocking out $15 billion in welfare and other transfer payments that have spiraled out of control. Government union salaries will be frozen, while pension eligibility for retirement will be raised and vesting periods will be increased. She also will aggressively use the state’s powerful line-item veto. And she has taken the no-new-tax pledge as an aggressive promise.

Steve Poizner made a run at Whitman with his support of the Arizona immigration law. After a brief flurry that temporarily narrowed the polls, surveys out yesterday suggest that Republican primary voters prefer Whitman’s fiscal plan and business expertise to shake up Sacramento’s cesspool politics. Noteworthy are the attack ads on Whitman by SEIU, which sees an end to its outrageous and extravagant financial and political power if Whitman wins.

Carly Fiorina has run on a tea-party platform of rolling back federal spending and reducing tax rates. Limited government is her response to Barack Obama’s Washington and Barbara Boxer’s extreme-left-wing San Francisco values. Fiorina never flinched in opposing Obamacare. She also is pro-life.

Come November, Fiorina will join the new tea-party nucleus in the GOP Senate caucus, while Whitman will change Sacramento after she defeats Jerry Brown, the quintessential yesterday’s man.
As a fan of American politics, this fall, things could get interesting.


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