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ac888yow May 24, 2020 7:19 PM

Interesting. Never in my working life have I ever worked on Canada day irrespective of the day it fell on.

Djeffery May 24, 2020 7:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ac888yow (Post 8931367)
Interesting. Never in my working life have I ever worked on Canada day irrespective of the day it fell on.

Quite often it's manufacturing type businesses that do it. The theory being it's easier and more efficient to run a solid number of days rather than come back from a weekend, work for 1 day, shut down again for a day and then start up again. I've never done it either at my job, but when I worked nights I really hated having that one day off like that. This year, the 1st is a Wednesday and I would expect a large number of plants to shut down either Monday or Friday.

ac888yow May 24, 2020 8:05 PM

Thank you.

Interestingly, that same year SJB day also fell on a Tuesday, and the holiday was observed on that day, not moved to Monday.

That may be a discussion for another thread though. :runaway:

Dominion301 May 24, 2020 8:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Djeffery (Post 8931362)
I don't think there is a requirement of when the holiday is observed, just that it is. Many workplaces move Canada Day to the nearest Monday or Friday to make a long weekend. Being federally regulated doesn't play a part in that. Also, many of those federally regulated companies work based on provincial holidays, since that's when their customer base is generally on or off. My employer for example, we work Nov 11 in Ontario even though it's a federal holiday. We don't work on the provincial holiday in August. We don't work on the provincial holiday in February but we don't get paid for it either.

Do provincial public servants get Nov 11th off? 1/5 of the NCR’s workforce is off that day. Yes indeed even federal workers follow the provincial holiday calendar. In the NCR that means people who live in Ottawa, but work on the Quebec side, get St-Jean Baptiste as a holiday, while the reverse is true for Ontario’s Civic Holiday.

Djeffery May 24, 2020 9:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 8931416)
Do provincial public servants get Nov 11th off? 1/5 of the NCR’s workforce is off that day. Yes indeed even federal workers follow the provincial holiday calendar. In the NCR that means people who live in Ottawa, but work on the Quebec side, get St-Jean Baptiste as a holiday, while the reverse is true for Ontario’s Civic Holiday.

There is a difference between federal and provincial employees and federally or provincially regulated employers. Being an employee of a federally regulated company doesn't make you a federal employee. Provincial and municipal offices are open here on Nov 11th, while Federal government and banks are closed, as is the post office.

Your example of living in Quebec and working in Ontario happens no matter what industry you are in or what jurisdiction their labor regulations are. If you work at an Ottawa Walmart, you get Ontario Family Day off no matter which side of the border you live on. (I used family day rather than Civic because Family day is a retail holiday in Ontario while Civic is not, while neither day is a holiday in Quebec).

Djeffery May 24, 2020 9:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ac888yow (Post 8931390)
Thank you.

Interestingly, that same year SJB day also fell on a Tuesday, and the holiday was observed on that day, not moved to Monday.

That may be a discussion for another thread though. :runaway:

SJB (June 24) is always a week before Canada Day. I'm unsure what the Quebec regulation is for when it's observed when it falls on a weekend though. I believe it still falls on Monday, the same as Canada Day when it's on a weekend.

casper May 24, 2020 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ac888yow (Post 8931346)
Does federal regulation dictate statutory holidays observed? If so, and if Bombardier is federally regulated, I wonder how they got away with having staff in at least one Mtl location work on Canada Day (Tuesday) some years ago.

First off, I don't believe Bombardier is federally regulated. It makes aircraft but not operate an airline. If it were an airline it would be federally regulated.

Examples of federally regulated companies that would be based out of Montreal include the Bank of Montreal, Air Canada, Bell Canada etc.

The federal holidays are:
- New Year’s Day
- Good Friday
- Victoria Day
- Canada Day
- Labour Day
- Thanksgiving Day
- Remembrance Day
- Christmas Day
- Boxing Day

Since I left university I have worked in three different companies that were federally regulated. I have worked in two others that were provincial. In each federal organisation I worked in, Remembrance day was always a floater. It was a holiday, but you could move it around or it was positioned between Christmas and New Years. I have worked under federal labour rules in Ontario, Manitoba, and Saskatchewan. We were not required to observe provincial holidays such as Family day.

It is not uncommon to see employers move holidays around for operational reasons. Air Canada does not stop flying because its is a holiday. Bell Canada does not shutdown the phone system or internet because it is a holiday. Bank of Montreal does not turn off online baking because it is a holiday.

Acajack May 25, 2020 1:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Djeffery (Post 8931465)
SJB (June 24) is always a week before Canada Day. I'm unsure what the Quebec regulation is for when it's observed when it falls on a weekend though. I believe it still falls on Monday, the same as Canada Day when it's on a weekend.

Saint-Jean-Baptiste never moves to the closest Monday. It's always on June 24 no matter which day of the week it falls on.

thenoflyzone May 25, 2020 1:20 PM

Beginning June 1, Air Canada will introduce its Jetz A319 business aircraft on select flights between YYZ and YUL/YOW.

https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/...XMLK7BZD5p53P8

p_xavier May 25, 2020 1:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Acajack (Post 8931820)
Saint-Jean-Baptiste never moves to the closest Monday. It's always on June 24 no matter which day of the week it falls on.

Yeah, even for July 1st. I didn't get my days off on Mondays if it was on weekends. The union screwed up. They changed the agreement last time so we get it now.

wave46 May 25, 2020 2:26 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8931833)
Beginning June 1, Air Canada will introduce its Jetz A319 business aircraft on select flights between YYZ and YUL/YOW.

https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/...XMLK7BZD5p53P8

Well, flyers between those places now get a fancy ride that isn't being used by sports teams and whatnot. It's about as win-win as one can get in these times.

I'm guessing this is also a replacement for the E190 previously used on the YYZ-YOW route.

Dominion301 May 25, 2020 7:32 PM

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Originally Posted by wave46 (Post 8931875)
Well, flyers between those places now get a fancy ride that isn't being used by sports teams and whatnot. It's about as win-win as one can get in these times.

I'm guessing this is also a replacement for the E190 previously used on the YYZ-YOW route.

Demand is so low right now that an all-J 319 is even less capacity than a CR9/E75. I wouldn’t call it a replacement though as it’s only temporary...as in at least the next 3 months. While YOW Rapidair for the past several years had been E90-heavy, all types up to the 763 were scheduled on it and 787s/777s were subs during bad weather. This summer was going to feature a lot more Airbuses on YOW-YYZ, including a daily 333 replacing the 763.

Truenorth00 May 25, 2020 9:17 PM

There's a great article here on how terminals can sometimes have short lives and are very difficult to repurpose.

https://www.citylab.com/design/2020/...vation/611326/

I wonder if we'll see stranded investments in Canadian aviation through either loss of service or change in service. I'm thinking, for example, on A380/B748 gates never seeing their purposed utility again or small airports that lose service.

Djeffery May 25, 2020 9:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Acajack (Post 8931820)
Saint-Jean-Baptiste never moves to the closest Monday. It's always on June 24 no matter which day of the week it falls on.

I know our company's Quebec locations, as well as our competitors, are off on the Monday if SJB falls on Saturday or Sunday, same as Canada Day. Federally regulated employees are entitled under law to have the working day preceding or following a given general holiday if that holiday falls on a non-working day. I was just simply saying I wasn't sure how Quebec dealt with their holiday in those instances. Interestingly, in 2018 in Ontario when Canada Day fell on Sunday, the 1st was a normal Sunday, with typical shopping and whatever else open, and Monday the 2nd was when everything that's normally closed on a holiday was closed.

nname May 25, 2020 11:25 PM

The Taiwanese authority had released passenger stats for all routes on April. Here are the LF stats for the Canadian routes (Only BR operated in April, with 10 and 6 round-trips to YVR and YYZ, respectively)

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YYZ->TPE        24.7%
YVR->TPE        21.0%

TPE->YVR        7.3%
YPE->YYZ        5.4%

And if you think this is bad... TPE to JFK and SEA both have an average LF of 2% for the month! So that's about 6 or 7 passengers on a 77W or 789?

whatnext May 25, 2020 11:55 PM

The EU says it wants more time to examine the competition ramifications of letting AC aquire Transat. Rather bizarre, in that the vast majority of Transat's customers are Canadian and that there is nothing stopping EU carriers from adding more service to Canada.

Also somewhat disingenuous as LH operates not just Lufthansa, but Swiss and Austrian as well. And the German government has just taken a financial stake in them.

casper May 26, 2020 6:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Truenorth00 (Post 8932218)
There's a great article here on how terminals can sometimes have short lives and are very difficult to repurpose.

https://www.citylab.com/design/2020/...vation/611326/

I wonder if we'll see stranded investments in Canadian aviation through either loss of service or change in service. I'm thinking, for example, on A380/B748 gates never seeing their purposed utility again or small airports that lose service.

The A380 gate in Vancouver supports other aircraft types. I the airport never gets another A380 or 747 it will still be used for other aircraft types.

Normally Vancouver get the A380 from British Airways and some of the Chinese airlines. The 747-400/8 aircraft are usually BA, Lufthansa, Quantas, or Korean. Some of these are going away but many will be back in future years.

As for the terminals themselves the US has this stock of old terminals still in service that were designed for a time where security checkpoints were a non-issue and had to have security checkpoints stuffed into hallways and passengers where it just does not fit. That problems does not exist in Canada, all the major terminals here have long be refurbished or replaced.

Truenorth00 May 26, 2020 6:30 AM

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Originally Posted by whatnext (Post 8932359)
The EU says it wants more time to examine the competition ramifications of letting AC aquire Transat. Rather bizarre, in that the vast majority of Transat's customers are Canadian and that there is nothing stopping EU carriers from adding more service to Canada.

Do you think EU consumers aren't impacted by pricing from those flights? Do you think the EU isn't worried about what increasing fares for Canadians would do to tourism got them? Amazing how their authorities actually protectv Canadian consumers instead of bending over for the carriers.

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Originally Posted by whatnext (Post 8932359)
Also somewhat disingenuous as LH operates not just Lufthansa, but Swiss and Austrian as well. And the German government has just taken a financial stake in them.

They actually went route, by route and looked at the level of competition. I want to see how much of the same was done by the Competition Bureau here.

thenoflyzone May 26, 2020 2:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Truenorth00 (Post 8932609)



They actually went route, by route and looked at the level of competition. I want to see how much of the same was done by the Competition Bureau here.

The exact same thing was done by our Competition bureau here in Canada, or did you not read the report a few months ago?

https://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/...eng/04522.html

wave46 May 26, 2020 3:30 PM

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Originally Posted by casper (Post 8932603)
As for the terminals themselves the US has this stock of old terminals still in service that were designed for a time where security checkpoints were a non-issue and had to have security checkpoints stuffed into hallways and passengers where it just does not fit. That problems does not exist in Canada, all the major terminals here have long be refurbished or replaced.

The major airports in this country are much more modern than many US airports. So, instead of the kludge situation with many unconnected terminals (like at JFK airport in New York) generally, Canadian airports have one or two terminals grouped by airline alliance (see: Toronto-Pearson)

Our smaller airports only have one terminal with different piers depending on destination - Canada, the US and international.

I'm actually trying to think of any really outdated major airports in Canada that don't function reasonably well. I suspect all those hated improvement fees have actually been used to make airports in this country relatively pleasant places. In the US, airports are the domain of the city they are located in and reliant on municipal funding to expand.


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