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Alexcaban Mar 16, 2020 3:58 AM

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Originally Posted by nname (Post 8863284)
2 more just added:

Montreal-Casablanca Temporary suspension from March 16th to April 30th.
Toronto-Quito Suspended until May 2021. Last flight returns on March 16th.

So YYZ-UIO is so affected that it'll suspended in the NEXT winter season too...?

Definitely a mistake there.

Might add Lima to that list in the next few days. YUL-LIM already finishing a month early might kill it in the next few days.

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Originally Posted by Denscity (Post 8863288)
Amazing YVR is not on that huge list.

For now.... I wouldn't be surprised if AC suspended all Europe flying from YVR.

Denscity Mar 16, 2020 4:09 AM

^^^Ya figured Europe flying from YVR would come before YUL and YYZ.

Alexcaban Mar 16, 2020 4:55 AM

With Disney Resorts closed and Las Vegas closing 14 casino/resorts Tuesday, there is going to be lots of changes to the North American schedule this week.

Rouge running 767s from YYZ/YUL-MCO with abominable loads, never seen this before.

nname Mar 16, 2020 5:44 AM

Alberta published a list of flights where some or all passengers need to self-isolated due to someone on flight who tested positive:

https://www.alberta.ca/assets/docume...nformation.pdf

thenoflyzone Mar 16, 2020 9:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Denscity (Post 8863288)
Amazing YVR is not on that huge list.

Lol. You do realize the only route AC operates to Europe from YVR at the moment is to LHR right? AC hasn’t touched LHR ops from the 4 hubs yet, most likely due to slot rules (use it or lose it - 80% of flights). They only canceled YOW-LHR.

YVR-DUB, FRA, CDG and ZRH are all seasonal. So there is not much to cut at the moment. That will change.

The EU has recently postponed slot guidelines, after IATA suggested they do so. Expect LHR cancelations to pop up in the schedules shortly.

thenoflyzone Mar 16, 2020 12:10 PM

Looks like YYZ, YVR, YUL and YYC will be the designated airports for overseas intl flights.

The city of Montreal isn't pleased with the federal government's inaction vis a vis airport passenger screening measures, and so they will take charge of the situation at YUL. As of tomorrow, they will send up to 60 officials with the city and local health authorities to the airport in order to increase passenger awareness.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...nday-1.5498736

Acajack Mar 16, 2020 1:06 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8863477)
Looks like YYZ, YVR, YUL and YYC will be the designated airports for overseas intl flights.

The city of Montreal isn't pleased with the federal government's inaction vis a vis airport passenger screening measures, and so they will take charge of the situation at YUL. As of tomorrow, they will send up to 60 officials with the city and local health authorities to the airport in order to increase passenger awareness.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...nday-1.5498736

It's all the can do I guess.

They don't have much authority to order incoming passengers into quarantine, do they?

kwoldtimer Mar 16, 2020 1:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Acajack (Post 8863500)
It's all the can do I guess.

They don't have much authority to order incoming passengers into quarantine, do they?

If they imposed a quarantine, the airport would need to be closed, no?

esquire Mar 16, 2020 1:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer (Post 8863501)
If they imposed a quarantine, the airport would need to be closed, no?

It's going to happen. But in true disaster movie style, it'll be too late.

Acajack Mar 16, 2020 1:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer (Post 8863269)
But people have anecdotal stories about people's arrival at the airport that have even been reported in the media! It must mean that there is complete incompetence at the centre. No other explanation is possible. In any event, it's reassuring to know that several provinces have the surplus resources to be able to go to the airport to do what the CBSA is going to be doing tomorrow anyway. If passengers get screened twice, the anecdotes will be much happier, no?

I don't know that any of us should be so flippant about this.

The anecdotes are multiple and from all over the country.

Just yesterday I saw two news reports, one from Lacolle (QC-NY border) and one from Montreal airport, where the journalist was standing just beyond where people had been screened by CBSA officers.

In all cases multiple people reported only being asked cursory questions and were let through without any more "control" than that.

The only other difference from the pre-COVID-19 era was that they were handed a flyer about precautions they should be taking "in case of...".

esquire Mar 16, 2020 1:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Acajack (Post 8863530)
I don't know that any of us should be so flippant about this.

The anecdotes are multiple and from all over the country.

Just yesterday I saw two news reports, one from Lacolle (QC-NY border) and one from Montreal airport, where the journalist was standing just beyond where people had been screened by CBSA officers.

In all cases multiple people reported only being asked cursory questions and were let through without any more "control" than that.

The only other difference from the pre-COVID-19 era was that they were handed a flyer about precautions they should be taking "in case of...".

Bang on. Seeing the mob scenes at airports with hundreds of people coming off international arrivals and standing shoulder to shoulder for hours on end with little if any questioning or monitoring, before dispersing to their home towns across the country was discouraging to say the least. Now the explosion will really begin.

kwoldtimer Mar 16, 2020 2:09 PM

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 8863533)
Bang on. Seeing the mob scenes at airports with hundreds of people coming off international arrivals and standing shoulder to shoulder for hours on end with little if any questioning or monitoring, before dispersing to their home towns across the country was discouraging to say the least. Now the explosion will really begin.

If you mean the USA, the scenes we saw at airports the other day were BECAUSE of the screening process they implemented, no? I would expect things to be slower at Canadian airports today, with the new procedures, although this should be balanced by much reduced numbers of passengers.

esquire Mar 16, 2020 2:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer (Post 8863564)
If you mean the USA, the scenes we saw at airports the other day were BECAUSE of the screening process they implemented, no? I would expect things to be slower at Canadian airports today, with the new procedures, although this should be balanced by much reduced numbers of passengers.

Twitter is not the best medium for conveying detailed information, but what I saw was pictures of huge crowds in US international arrivals areas, and similarly huge crowds at Pearson T1 - it was the latter group talking about marginal questioning/screening.

The end result is the same though, large numbers of international arrivals standing shoulder to shoulder for hours is practically a recipe for coronavirus transmission going by the experts have said.

whatnext Mar 16, 2020 4:56 PM

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 8863602)
Twitter is not the best medium for conveying detailed information, but what I saw was pictures of huge crowds in US international arrivals areas, and similarly huge crowds at Pearson T1 - it was the latter group talking about marginal questioning/screening.

The end result is the same though, large numbers of international arrivals standing shoulder to shoulder for hours is practically a recipe for coronavirus transmission going by the experts have said.

Yeah, it wasn't good. Poor planning by both Canada and the USA. And now Canada is warning snowbirds to come home, so there will be even more people rushing to get home.

casper Mar 16, 2020 6:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Acajack (Post 8863500)
It's all the can do I guess.

They don't have much authority to order incoming passengers into quarantine, do they?

Actually it is usually the other way around. At least in BC it is the provincial government that has responsibility for running the health authorities. The health authorities then have quarantine powers under provincial laws.

If BC (and likely also in Quebec), Boarder Officers have limited authority to Quarantine. Basically they can only quarantine to the extend required to make a determination if someone has a disease or not. They then turn the person over to the local health authority who have broad power to quarantine anyone who is infected.

Where exactly would we quarantine several hundred thousand to a million people if we wanted to quarantine ALL people is a difficult question to answer.

whatnext Mar 16, 2020 6:36 PM

Just as I warned for those cheering an air travel shutdown:

Global air freight movement worries escalating
Dramatic drop in the number of passenger flights around the world is significantly cutting air freight cargo capacity
By Timothy Renshaw | March 16, 2020, 11:11am

Fears over air freight movement are rising as government efforts to stem the rising tide of COVID-19 infection in Canada intensify.

Those fears are increasing even though new air travel restrictions announced this morning by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau will not be applied to trade or businesses.

The International Air Transport Association (IATA) noted Monday morning that the combination of dramatic travel restrictions and the subsequent collapse of the industry’s passenger sector has “severely limited cargo capacity.”

Passenger planes are a major mover of air freight cargo, which includes medicines, medical equipment and a wide-range of time-sensitive goods....


https://biv.com/article/2020/03/glob...ies-escalating

esquire Mar 16, 2020 7:02 PM

Does anyone know if the international traffic shutdown at all airports except the big 4 includes transborder/sun vacation destinations too?

The news articles and tweets I read about it were vague on this point.

casper Mar 16, 2020 7:10 PM

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 8863932)
Does anyone know if the international traffic shutdown at all airports except the big 4 includes transborder/sun vacation destinations too?

The news articles and tweets I read about it were vague on this point.

The shutdown does not apply to flights from the US or sun destinations. They will still continue to operate as normal into all Canadian airports.

esquire Mar 16, 2020 7:22 PM

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Originally Posted by casper (Post 8863935)
The shutdown does not apply to flights from the US or sun destinations. They will still continue to operate as normal into all Canadian airports.

Thanks.

So it sounds drastic at first blush but it's pretty well an insignificant measure as there are hardly any non transborder/sun international destinations served from non big-4 airports. A couple flights a day affected at Edmonton, Ottawa and Halifax and maybe one or two a day at a few other airports? It's nothing.

Acajack Mar 16, 2020 7:45 PM

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Originally Posted by casper (Post 8863892)
Actually it is usually the other way around. At least in BC it is the provincial government that has responsibility for running the health authorities. The health authorities then have quarantine powers under provincial laws.

If BC (and likely also in Quebec), Boarder Officers have limited authority to Quarantine. Basically they can only quarantine to the extend required to make a determination if someone has a disease or not. They then turn the person over to the local health authority who have broad power to quarantine anyone who is infected.

Where exactly would we quarantine several hundred thousand to a million people if we wanted to quarantine ALL people is a difficult question to answer.

Those numbers sound inflated for effect. There is no way those numbers of people enter the country during any given week.

Plus, the early we would have started scaling back on admissions (perhaps limiting them to Canadians), the fewer people in total we would have been dealing with.

Every single case we have at the moment is related to someone coming into Canada (almost all of them Canadian citizens AFAIK) from another country.

The fewer people we have coming in, the fewer cases we're likely to have.

And the longer we wait, the more cases we'll have whose sources will be pockets of infection outside our borders.


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