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King DenCity Sep 5, 2014 6:09 AM

Photolith ready to go.
And do we know or will the floors reach to 1490'? Or is that the façade?

NYguy Sep 5, 2014 1:21 PM

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Originally Posted by photoLith (Post 6717776)
I demand this be moved to the construction thread or a coup will take place uprooting NYguy from his stranglehold on NYC construction updates!

Lol, it's going.



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Originally Posted by King DenCity (Post 6717852)
do we know or will the floors reach to 1490'? Or is that the façade?


Probably the façade since it's close to the drawing we've seen with the spire. It's not really specified in the permit.


http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=07

nyc15 Sep 5, 2014 7:32 PM

is that possible to raise the height of spire? to make it the tallest building of the city

BStyles Sep 6, 2014 12:00 AM

Nope, because then that would make it the tallest in the country, as well. That title will belong to One World Trade Center for as long as they can hold it.

Guiltyspark Sep 6, 2014 1:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BStyles (Post 6718958)
Nope, because then that would make it the tallest in the country, as well. That title will belong to One World Trade Center for as long as they can hold it.

Which is very stupid. I fear we are becoming a country that focuses on the past. The WTC isn't even that tall anymore compared to what the rest of the world is building. There are currently 10 taller towers UC or completed and not a single one of them has to use a spire to break the 450 m mark. Hell, if you go by roof height of buildings completed or UC it is only the 28th tallest in the world. The sooner we build something 550 m + without a spire the better.

500 m is the new 300 m ;-)

Zapatan Sep 6, 2014 3:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Guiltyspark (Post 6719069)
Which is very stupid. I fear we are becoming a country that focuses on the past. The WTC isn't even that tall anymore compared to what the rest of the world is building. There are currently 10 taller towers UC or completed and not a single one of them has to use a spire to break the 450 m mark. Hell, if you go by roof height of buildings completed or UC it is only the 28th tallest in the world. The sooner we build something 550 m + without a spire the better.

500 m is the new 300 m ;-)

If by "rest of the world" you mean a couple cities on the same continent then sure... a bit of an exaggeration there.

The WTC won't be the tallest in NY or the US so no worries.

Onn Sep 6, 2014 4:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Guiltyspark (Post 6719069)
Which is very stupid. I fear we are becoming a country that focuses on the past. The WTC isn't even that tall anymore compared to what the rest of the world is building. There are currently 10 taller towers UC or completed and not a single one of them has to use a spire to break the 450 m mark. Hell, if you go by roof height of buildings completed or UC it is only the 28th tallest in the world. The sooner we build something 550 m + without a spire the better.

500 m is the new 300 m ;-)

500 m is definitely not the new 300 m, 75% or more of the world is building nothing of the sort including all of Africa, South America, Oceania, and Europe.

The last time the US built a world's tallest was the 70s, where have you been dude? Back then there wasn't any competition for world's tallest. Really the only reason a few countries are building 500 m towers is because they have cheap labor and the government is picking up the costs (the case in China and Dubai and Saudi Arabia). No government in the US would ever pay for such a White Elephant knowing they would never make a dime on such a project.

The other countries won't either. Eventually the bill will come due and they will stop building them, Dubai has already found this out. The towers are mostly statues symbol, something to put the countries' cities on the map. That doesn't make their cities any better though. The top ranked cities in the world are New York, London, and Tokyo, all located in the most liberal countries in the world. The height of their buildings don't make the cities, their people and institutions do. Of course in New York's case tall towers are more of a defining characteristic of the city.

There probably will be US towers built above 550 m, the closest being the Chicago Spire. But you'll have to be patient, its not going to happen over night. Your looking more like decades not years. And a few select US cities. The WTC is a bad example that was designed before much of the world's skyscraper boom got underway not to mention the tall building jitters after 9/11, and spires definitely do count towards the height just like with other towers.

NYguy Sep 6, 2014 1:14 PM

I don't know why we're concerned with what's being built around the world. What's happening in New York is simply the natural evolution of the city's skyline. Eventually, once these towers are built, someone will want to build something to stand out from the others, but these towers are all being built for specific reasons, none of which is to build the world's tallest towers.

As far as the WTC is concerned, we know that it has a very specific height and specific design for a reason. Hell, even most of the official site plan proposals called for taller towers (to roof). But we're getting what we got.

The Nordstrom tower is being built because Garnett has condos to sell, and there's a pretty price to get for those high units. Same as the other towers around 57th Street. The supertall office towers are being built because New York hasn't kept pace with new inventory like a city of its size - and importance - should. Nobody's competing with what's getting built elsewhere (unless you count keeping a modern office stock).

wilfredo267 Sep 6, 2014 4:11 PM

Sometimes l travel to Piermont during the weekends and usually we go through the Holland tunnel. When you exit the tunnel there is a breathtaking panorama on the whole skyline stretching from downtown all the way to midtown and up. l think that people complaining just need to take that drive just to fully take in the sheer density and impact.The city is not nor will it ever be left behind. Things are happening organically and economically like it should.

JayPro Sep 8, 2014 12:54 PM

http://www.yimbynews.com/2014/09/new...th-street.html

Okay...Looky...Just looky.....:slob:

dc_denizen Sep 8, 2014 1:51 PM

wow!

Onn Sep 8, 2014 1:51 PM

Okay, that's what I'm talking about! Really like the deisgn, I think its going to work out great! :D

http://www.yimbynews.com/wp-content/...MBY-Hi-Res.jpg

http://www.yimbynews.com/wp-content/...-Res-YIMBY.jpg

http://www.yimbynews.com/2014/09/new...th-street.html

Crawford Sep 8, 2014 1:57 PM

That's definitely a nice looking, "Gotham" type building. Extell's buildings are always solid.

The 57th Street corridor will be absolutely epic in a few years.

pico44 Sep 8, 2014 2:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JayPro (Post 6721084)
http://www.yimbynews.com/2014/09/new...th-street.html

Okay...Looky...Just looky.....:slob:



I don't love it. in fact, I don't even like it. Very poor job by Smith here.

miesian Sep 8, 2014 2:51 PM

Finally.......a rendering....:gkwillie:

Skyguy_7 Sep 8, 2014 2:51 PM

Very sleek and modern. The continuous north and south sides will add some great verticality while the mechanical floors appear to coincide with One57's setbacks, which is a nice touch. Adrian Smith did a similar thing with Trump Tower here in Chi.

JayPro Sep 8, 2014 3:35 PM

It's only fitting that after all that's been said about how pedestrian blue glass can be, this tower as MidTown's tallest has earned its skin.
No sheer curtain wall is anywhere to be found. I'm agog with anticipation as to the materials used to cover the mech floors. The did mention alumin(i)um as the secondary material; so maybe this will be tempered/whatever with another substance.

It's almost as if S/G were commissioned to fashion a 21st century interpretation of ESB. Screaming success, that's what this is. The balance of sheer presence, deep subtlety and respect for overall context is something we're being IMHO greatly privileged to look at today.

Hudson11 Sep 8, 2014 4:18 PM

those aren't official renderings, btw. Sexy though. :shrug:

TouchTheSky13 Sep 8, 2014 4:20 PM

Very Nice. The quality of the glass will make or break it, just like One57.

http://www.yimbynews.com/wp-content/...et-profile.jpg

http://www.yimbynews.com/wp-content/...reet-South.jpg

http://www.yimbynews.com/wp-content/...Tower-View.jpg

http://www.yimbynews.com/wp-content/...17-and-432.jpg

gttx Sep 8, 2014 4:37 PM

As much as I like YIMBY, what they've done here is really a disservice to the architects. Basically they took detailed plans that had to be filed with the city and used them to construct a model of the building - then rendered it themselves. There is a level of detail and nuance that the architecture team would have included in their own renderings that is not included here - and that may be quite different when we actually see the official views.

I have a feeling both Adrian Smith and Gary Barnett are fuming at this release of images without their approval.


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