Originally Posted by JakeLRS (Post 9028423)

Swoop launching quite a few routes from YYZ in the fall... Including YYZ-YEG (attacking Flair).

This should be interesting. Not yet published.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...22d3e91e_z.jpgSwoop_YYZ_Routes by freerealms454, on Flickr

Originally Posted by YYCguys (Post 9028443)

So taking away some WS mainline flying! :???:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9029027)

Apparently WS filed 2x daily service to LHR from October 25?
https://twitter.com/MZulqarnainBut1/...65796931702784

If true, probably just transfer YYC/YYZ-LGW over to LHR.

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe (Post 9027311)

A few different ones, but to start, Calgary-Edmonton, Calgary-Regina, and Calgary-Winnipeg

Originally Posted by JakeLRS (Post 9029034)

Wow, they finally got the slots and 2 times daily too!

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9027413)

In other news, AA is planning to add daily YYC-PHX from November. Whether or not this actually happens is a different story. It would bring their total planned service this winter to 4x daily overall to DFW, ORD and PHX.

https://onemileatatime.com/american-...winter-routes/

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9029422)

The slot hand back deadline at LHR was 31 August 2020, and the fact this news came about Sept 1 leads me to believe this was an ad hoc slot approval. These aren't regular slots, and you need to apply every time for ad hoc slot approvals, before the start of every season. They come with their own restrictions.

https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/up...localrule2.pdf



Not ideal, but if you want to fly into LHR, you take what you can get. Will be interesting to see what WS does, as they only have 2 months advance notice to try and fill up twice daily LHR flights, in the middle of a pandemic, and with COVID cases on the rise in the UK.

From what I understand, they wont be able to transfer their LGW flights either, or they run the risk of losing those slots, as LGW hasn't yet waived their slot usage guidelines for W20, meaning the 80/20 use it or lose it rule still applies, as far as I know.

Originally Posted by casper (Post 9029942)

Not certain if it is related. Did some digging and October 25 is the start of the return to use-it or lose-it for slots at Heathrow. Perhaps they have a partner (e.g., Virgin Atlantic or Delta) that has some extra slots that they don't want to lose but also don't have the passenger volume to justify using.

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9029981)

WestJet has only filed the LHR flights over the winter, so this could be a temporary use of slots another airline/partner doesn't want to use (as already mentioned).

Also advance bookings for LGW don't seem great, as they have reduced it to just twice weekly the last 2 weeks of September. Perhaps their willing to take the loses to get themselves in the door at LHR.

Originally Posted by lubicon (Post 9030061)

First flights were a little over 50% full, not sure how it's done since but hopefully loads are solidifying.

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9030513)

With both LGW / CDG getting reduced with about 2 weeks notice tells me they aren't getting enough bookings for the flights to be worth it.

Be interesting to see what the future holds for WS TATL plans.

Originally Posted by YYCguys (Post 9030525)

As consumer confidence in flying grows over the next year, I imagine that those planes will fill up again. Maybe we will see a return to DUB and BCN, and hopefully FCO will get relaunched.

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9031883)

Winter route cuts by AC.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...as-of-03sep20/