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GernB Jan 30, 2016 5:08 AM

Not unhappy that the NBL is expanding, but TBH I'd rather see those fans attending AUS games than a third rate semi-pro league. Highlanders is a great name for a team though.

Acajack Jan 30, 2016 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by isaidso (Post 7318237)
It's a weird choice but a welcome one for me. Not all basketball fans are from the ghetto or worship the culture that came out of there (hip hop). College hoops seems to be the only place in the basketball world you get a reprieve from it.

I realize a huge % of people like that sort of thing but it's all a little too low brow and crass for a big event imo. That's why Kanye West at the Pan Am Games was such a shock. What were they thinking?

I find that the fact that there is always so much more controversy than in other places about who to invite to "represent" at major events (Pan Am, NBA All-Star Game, etc.) is very symptomatic of a contemporary soul-searching about who ''we'' are and what our culture is all about.

Sorry if I am getting too deep here but this really jumped out at me reading this thread, and when you referenced the Pan-Am… even more.

elly63 Jan 30, 2016 6:18 PM

Here's a cool NFB doc from yesteryear with some rare footage of the 76 Men's Olympic basketball team and the legend Jack Donohue. Also Diane Jones, Canada's sweetheart...yowza

The team finished fourth in the Olympics which was a pretty good accomplishment when you consider that the full USSR team competed (including Lithuania et al) and the full Yugoslavian team as well.

I'll Go Again
NFB Paul Cowan, 1977, 41 min 26s

This documentary by director Paul Cowan is about four athletes and a team (Men's basketball team) that competed in the 1976 Olympics. They had trained courageously to be among those who would mount the podium to receive a medal. None of them did, but was it worth the effort? I'll Go Again answers the question.

http://i63.tinypic.com/344d30x.jpg

isaidso Jan 30, 2016 6:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GernB (Post 7318668)
Not unhappy that the NBL is expanding, but TBH I'd rather see those fans attending AUS games than a third rate semi-pro league. Highlanders is a great name for a team though.

There's enough basketball interest in the Maritimes to support both. The AUS conference finals attract more than the other 3 Canadian university conference finals put together. Nova Scotians don't care that the NBL is 2nd or 3rd rate. They want their own pro teams and those are the teams they have. They will support both the NBL and their 5 AUS teams.

What I always find astonishing is that I can watch 100's of NCAA basketball games on tv but ones from my own country are next to impossible. Right now I'm watching Virginia - Louisville but I'd rather be watching SMU - St. FX (then Dal - Acadia tonight). I can't because Canadian university ball doesn't matter to Toronto where our media is based. When I tell Torontonians that I support the Dal Tigers they look at me like I'm from Mars. Who are the Dal Tigers and why would you do that is their usual response. Um... because I went there and I'm from Canada and living in Canada???

If Toronto is such a great basketball city, Ryerson, the U of T, and York would be playing before 15,000 fans. They get around 100 if they're lucky. There's great support for the Raptors but no other basketball gets any attention... not even our national teams (although that's finally changing). A Canada - France game a few years back at the ACC drew ~ 1000 fans. It was embarrasing.

isaidso Jan 30, 2016 7:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Acajack (Post 7318777)
I find that the fact that there is always so much more controversy than in other places about who to invite to "represent" at major events (Pan Am, NBA All-Star Game, etc.) is very symptomatic of a contemporary soul-searching about who ''we'' are and what our culture is all about.

I think you're reading more into this than there is. I never puzzle as to what my Canadian culture is but when you host a big event it needs to be somewhat representative of your city/country.

Kanye West at the Pan Ams? He was pretty much the last person they should have gotten. A crass, vulgar, low brow, egomaniac with a ridiculous sense of his self importance? That's who Toronto wanted to showcase to the rest of America? They didn't need to hire a Canuck but at least get someone who doesn't make one vomit at the mere mention of his name.

Acajack Jan 30, 2016 8:42 PM

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Originally Posted by isaidso (Post 7318990)
I think you're reading more into this than there is. I never puzzle as to what my Canadian culture is but when you host a big event it needs to be somewhat representative of your city/country.

Kanye West at the Pan Ams? He was pretty much the last person they should have gotten. A crass, vulgar, low brow, egomaniac with a ridiculous sense of his self importance? That's who Toronto wanted to showcase to the rest of America? They didn't need to hire a Canuck but at least get someone who doesn't make one vomit at the mere mention of his name.

It's clear to you but that's not the case for everyone obviously.

Ultimately I think we are both saying the same thing.

GernB Jan 30, 2016 9:35 PM

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Originally Posted by isaidso (Post 7318988)
There's enough basketball interest in the Maritimes to support both. The AUS conference finals attract more than the other 3 Canadian university conference finals put together. Nova Scotians don't care that the NBL is 2nd or 3rd rate. They want their own pro teams and those are the teams they have. They will support both the NBL and their 5 AUS teams.

What I always find astonishing is that I can watch 100's of NCAA basketball games on tv but ones from my own country are next to impossible. Right now I'm watching Virginia - Louisville but I'd rather be watching SMU - St. FX (then Dal - Acadia tonight). I can't because Canadian university ball doesn't matter to Toronto where our media is based. When I tell Torontonians that I support the Dal Tigers they look at me like I'm from Mars. Who are the Dal Tigers and why would you do that is their usual response. Um... because I went there and I'm from Canada and living in Canada???

I hope you're right about being able to support both pro and CIS teams. It didn't
If Toronto is such a great basketball city, Ryerson, the U of T, and York would be playing before 15,000 fans. They get around 100 if they're lucky. There's great support for the Raptors but no other basketball gets any attention... not even our national teams (although that's finally changing). A Canada - France game a few years back at the ACC drew ~ 1000 fans. It was embarrasing.

Hope you're right about supporting both pro and CIS. It didn't work when the old CBA put a team here. Both the College and University saw drop-offs in their attendance, but the Dusters drew only a few hundred in a 5000 seat arena.

I couldn't agree more with your point about CIS coverage. NCAA all day long, a couple games during the week, but no CIS coverage whatsoever. I realize TSN and Rogers have to make money, but surely some coverage is possible.

Your point about Toronto support for the Raptors is well taken also. Although they're drawing well, I don't believe that there's any great groundswell of support, any more than that Torontonians suddenly became great baseball fans last fall. A winning team in an American league is simply the place to be, and the Raptors are winning.

elly63 Jan 31, 2016 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by isaidso (Post 7318990)
A crass, vulgar, low brow, egomaniac with a ridiculous sense of his self importance? That's who Toronto wanted to showcase to the rest of America

Freudian slip?

mistercorporate Jan 31, 2016 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Berklon (Post 7318033)
Yea, that's not what basketball fans on the internet are saying.

I felt the same way as them till I was forced to hear him live, it's quite entertaining if people would give it a chance. That being said, not sure how it will sound on TV.

elly63 Jan 31, 2016 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by isaidso (Post 7318988)
What I always find astonishing is that I can watch 100's of NCAA basketball games on tv but ones from my own country are next to impossible. Right now I'm watching Virginia - Louisville but I'd rather be watching SMU - St. FX (then Dal - Acadia tonight). I can't because Canadian university ball doesn't matter to Toronto where our media is based. When I tell Torontonians that I support the Dal Tigers they look at me like I'm from Mars. Who are the Dal Tigers and why would you do that is their usual response. Um... because I went there and I'm from Canada and living in Canada?

You make a great point here because I can't understand why TSN would want to build foreign properties over their own. Well, actually I can because they are likely getting the game feed and it is cheaper to produce than TSN going into the field themselves.

The worst part is they are showcasing NCAA teams that aren't as good as their CIS counterparts. Because of the larger number of NCAA schools, they come under the umbrella of all being great when only the elite programs may be better than the elite CIS teams. And this isn't even true for hockey. Why are we being sold NCAA hockey?

The discussed CIS super league for football may be the answer. Have a schedule built for the top ten teams in football, hockey and basketball to play against each other. The competitiveness and the calibre of play would be much better. But of course that doesn't fix the wannabe culture who trumpet America but are totally ignorant of the improvements that have gone on in their own backyard.

Listen to the interview above with Dave Smart as he schools Bob McCown who has his head so far up American ass that he is woefully uninformed of what is actually happening here and in the USA.

We have great coaches here (according to Triano) and programs that all seem to be cooperating and pulling in the right direction (finally).

elly63 Jan 31, 2016 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by elly63 (Post 7319230)
We have great coaches here (according to Triano)

And here's one who started in the AUS

Canadian coach turning heads in NBA circles
Donnovan Bennett Sportsnet.ca July 16 2015

Scott Morrison is not supposed to be here, in a room filled with Hall of Famers and millionaire athletes. Morrison is supposed to be watching them from home, not making Las Vegas his residence for the next two weeks while they watch him. Yet, somehow, Morrison beat the odds. That’s because he didn’t believe that a kid from Morell, PEI isn’t supposed to amount to much in the game of basketball.

Morrison is currently coaching the NBA Developmental League select team at the NBA’s Summer League. It’s an honour that was bestowed on him as a reward for being named the NBADL’s Coach of the Year. For Morrison it’s been a long road but quick ascension. And it’s no coincidence he’s showcasing his talents in Vegas, because Morrison has been betting on himself for years.

After a playing career at UPEI that saw him hit an AUS-record 220 three pointers in his career, the coaching bug that had been passed on by his father, himself a long-time coach at UPEI, bit Morrison.

In 2002 Morrison took over coaching duties with the Dalhousie Tigers women’s team. His dad, George, was a fine coach at UPEI in his own right, leading the Panthers to three conference titles in the 1980s. Morrison could have been fine just to follow his father’s legacy but instead he followed his heart and ventured to Thunder Bay to turn around the Lakehead program. With little money, exposure, and talent in the local area it wasn’t an attractive job to start. When he was hired, Lakehead was the worst team in the country. When he left they had reached four consecutive national tournaments, all while building a basketball culture that made “the thunder dome” one of the toughest places to play in he country.

Yet desperate for professional development he bet on himself again and took a sabbatical from his job at Lakehead to help out with D-League’s Maine Red Claws, an affiliate of the Boston Celtics. He assumed it would lead to a pro opportunity in the future and that he’d head back to Lakehead better for the experience. As fate would have it, the existing coach, Mike Taylor, was fired and Morrison’s all-hands-on-deck attitude led management to believe he was the right man to trust with the Celtics future prospects.

In just his first year in the NBADL, Morrison led the Red Claws to the best record in their conference and earned a coaching spot in the league’s all-star game, which takes place in conjunction with the NBA all-star game.

Despite all the success, Morrison knows he hasn’t hit the jackpot yet. “Although I’m close to the NBA,” he says, “I still feel I’m far away and have a lot to learn. It’s just that under dog mentality that I get from the Island. But I do ask myself ‘Why not?’ Work hard and shoot for the stars”.

His aspirations in the game are large, stating that his two goals are to coach in the NBA, and for Canada at the Olympics. “Even when I’m working with the junior national team, I get a sense of pride when I pull that maple leaf on my chest. It means as much to me— if not more— than anything I’m doing [at Summer League]. In fact everything I’m doing here I’m trying to represent Canada.”

With the Red Claws last season, Morrison commanded the respect of NBA-level talent like Canadian Dwight Powell and Celtics 2014 first-round pick James Young. Here at Summer League he’s getting it from former 2nd overall pick Hasheem Thabeet and Taylor Griffin, brother of Blake, and a former standout at Oklahoma. Despite his passport and distinct Island accent, the affable Morrison’s communicates with his players effectively thanks to his passion and dry, self-deprecating wit.

After the NBADL season wraps Morrison heads to Boston, taking up a desk among the organizations’ analytics staff, helping out where he can with scouting. There is no offseason for the maniacal preparer. “Every year I want to study something,” says Morrison. “Whether its paint touches, to three’s and how they are created, to how best to defend the pick and roll. Every year I want to dial down and really study something.”

Although he didn’t have Steve Nash to look to like this generation’s great players did, he had have Jay Triano. It was a figure Morrison could point to and ask himself “If him, why not me?” at the sight of Triano on an NBA bench. The goal is to get NBA evaluators to themselves the same question. Why not Morrison?

Which is what makes summer league so unique: Not only is it a proving ground for the players, but the coaches are being scouted and evaluated, too. And so far Morrison has impressed; his group of D-League select players enter the 24-team tournament as a six-seed.

All Morrison wants is a chance. He gambled to get here, and it’s paid off. Yet it’s the dues he paid during him time in Morel, Halifax, and Thunder Bay that are getting him paid now. His story offers a stark reminder that in the dog eat dog world of pros sports the smart play is betting on yourself. With the amount of heads he’s turning at the Las Vegas summer league Morrison is already getting a return on his investment.

“Success breeds success,” Morrison says. “Canada has great coaches—not just great players. As the players have success people down south will start to wonder who are training these guys. As guys like me have success hopefully I can help inspire the guys coming up behind me. If we keep knocking on the door we can break it down together”.

rousseau Jan 31, 2016 1:37 AM

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Originally Posted by GernB (Post 7319109)
Your point about Toronto support for the Raptors is well taken also. Although they're drawing well, I don't believe that there's any great groundswell of support, any more than that Torontonians suddenly became great baseball fans last fall. A winning team in an American league is simply the place to be, and the Raptors are winning.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about. Toronto has turned into a second-tier basketball talent factory (first tier being New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, Los Angeles, North Carolina and Florida, obviously) in the last decade because of the groundswell of Raptor fandom created by the presence of Vince Carter back in the last decade. Basketball is legitimately part of Toronto's DNA now.

And you can't blame people in the city for getting excited about the Raptors. Toronto has had no championships since 1993, and before that it was 1967. People are starved for some sporting success. Sure, the fondest wish would be for the Leafs to do something, anything, but, well...

And you can't blame people for getting excited about something that's so close to being the best in the world, which is what the Raptors are now. They are now the fourth best basketball team in the world, and two of their players are actually from the city (though one of them is pretty much a bust, and doesn't play).

Who wouldn't be ecstatic about that?

Right now Philadelphia has the worst team in the league, and the crowds are abysmal, but nobody is saying that Philadelphia isn't a basketball hotbed. That's where Kyle Lowry grew up, after all.

TownGuy Jan 31, 2016 2:14 AM

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Originally Posted by elly63 (Post 7319230)
Listen to the interview above with Dave Smart as he schools Bob McCown who has his head so far up American ass that he is woefully uninformed of what is actually happening here and in the USA.


Bob McCown has a dual citizenship and was born in the USA.

Acajack Jan 31, 2016 3:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TownGuy (Post 7319305)
Bob McCown has a dual citizenship and was born in the USA.

I happened upon his show the other night in the car when I tuned into an Ottawa sports radio station. I could have swore it was an American show and actually thought it was until he said ''Good night from Toronto".

It's not the only one like this of course.

elly63 Jan 31, 2016 3:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TownGuy (Post 7319305)
Bob McCown has a dual citizenship and was born in the USA.

Yes, I know, but he grew up in Scarborough (born in Cleveland) I used to be a regular listener until the Rogers influence took over.

He has on the same American guests all the time, who mean what to us? What the hell do writers for the Boston Globe and USA Today have to contribute to a supposedly Canadian talk show?

Another guy said it best. Why do we have this middleman telling us about American sports when we can go right to the source ie Jim Rome.

Acajack Jan 31, 2016 3:40 AM

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Originally Posted by elly63 (Post 7319350)
Yes, I know, but he grew up in Scarborough (born in Cleveland) I used to be a regular listener until the Rogers influence took over.

He has on the same American guests all the time, who mean what to us? What the hell do writers for the Boston Globe and USA Today have to contribute to a supposedly Canadian talk show?

Another guy said it best. Why do we have this middleman telling us about American sports when we can go right to the source ie Jim Rome.

That other guy was me! :notacrook:

elly63 Jan 31, 2016 3:46 AM

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Originally Posted by rousseau (Post 7319272)
You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Toronto has had no championships since 1993, and before that it was 1967.

For the non poseurs amongst us: Argos 96/97/2004/2012. You know the mickey mouse bush league that has top ten average game attendance of any league in the world and 3 times higher TV ratings for regular season games as the Raptors. You know the league the wannabes deny, that one.

elly63 Jan 31, 2016 3:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Acajack (Post 7319351)
That other guy was me!

Well, it was a friggin' brilliant observation.

Acajack Jan 31, 2016 4:03 AM

For the record, I don't have any issue at all with them giving the Raptors, TFC or Blue Jays coverage. Heck, I don't have an issue with NFL or NCAA coverage either.

What I do have an issue with though is when they give zero coverage to Canadian stuff, or relegate it to a passing mention at the end of a sportscast.

elly63 Jan 31, 2016 4:06 AM

More Canadian basketball history from the NFB

Shooting Stars
Allan Stein, 1987, 49 min 33s

This documentary uses frequent dramatic re-enactments to trace the tale of the Edmonton Grads women's basketball team, which was formed in 1915 and disbanded in 1940. During that time, the team was Canadian Champion (1922-1940), North American Champion (1923-1940), and World Champion (1924-1940). Their phenomenal record of 502 wins and 20 losses remains unrivalled by any team in any sport. Shooting Stars is a thorough historical look at female athletes in an era when sports were a man’s game.

Acajack Jan 31, 2016 4:14 AM

I just learned tonight while reading this thread that my metro area has two of the top three university basketball teams in the country.

Yet I've never heard of this until now and every time I listen to Ottawa sports radio stations if they talk college hoops (either local shows or national shows out of Toronto) I am always hearing about Villanova or Texas or whatever.

rousseau Jan 31, 2016 4:38 AM

Is Canadian university basketball better than it used to be? When I got into hoops back in the 1980s it wasn't any good. Nobody I knew who liked hoops watched anything other than NBA or NCAA ball, because there was no point.

But if it is actually getting better, then it's a shame that the sports shows aren't covering them. I don't watch sports commentary or news, so I don't what's going on with this. Can anyone share a link to a Canadian sports broadcast showing that Canadian university basketball gets shortchanged?

theman23 Jan 31, 2016 4:39 AM

Looking at CIS attendance figures for proof of Toronto being a "real" basketball city doesn't make any sense. College sports are simply not a big part of the culture here.

I think a better barometer would be participation rates in the sport, particularly amongst those who play it competitively at the high school level. Would anyone have any numbers for that?

rousseau Jan 31, 2016 4:43 AM

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Originally Posted by elly63 (Post 7319359)
For the non poseurs amongst us: Argos 96/97/2004/2012. You know the mickey mouse bush league that has top ten average game attendance of any league in the world and 3 times higher TV ratings for regular season games as the Raptors. You know the league the wannabes deny, that one.

Seriously? Heh heh, I honestly had no idea. But we've gone through this on this thread a hundred times, and it is what it is: the Argos championships don't resonate in the same way.

I find it hard to believe that that the Argos have higher TV ratings than the Raptors. Where are the numbers?

Edit: I see they do when it comes to individual games. Obviously not cumulative overall, as the CFL plays what, 12 or 16 games? So you can't compare that to 82 NBA games in a season. But still, yeah, the Argos did indeed get higher TV ratings than the Raptors did in this link:

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/eh...202016791.html

1. NHL, Canucks-Leafs/Avs-Habs/Jets-Preds, Saturday, CBC-Sportsnet: 1,990,000
2. CFL, Argonauts at Tiger-Cats, Sunday, TSN: 865,000
3. CFL, Lions at Stampeders, Sunday, TSN: 836,000
4. NHL, Oilers at Kings, Saturday, CBC: 705,000
5. NHL, Maple Leafs at Rangers, Sunday, Sportsnet: 677,000
6. NFL, Dolphins-Eagles/Lions-Pack/Saints-Skins, Sunday, CTV: 642,000
7. NFL, Pats-Giants/Chiefs-Broncos, Sunday, CTV: 574,000
8. Curling, Grand Slam National women's quarters, Saturday, Sportsnet: 412,000
9. NFL, Cardinals at Seahawks, Sunday, TSN: 393,000 (NBC audience not measured)
10. Curling, Grand Slam National men's final, Sunday, CBC: 363,000
11. Curling, Grand Slam National women's final, Sunday, Sportsnet: 338,000
12. Figure Skating, ISU Grand Prix, Saturday, CBC: 296,000
13. Curling, Grand Slam National semifinals, Saturday, Sportsnet: 282,000
14. Curling, Grand Slam National, men's quarters, Saturday, CBC: 262,000
15. NBA, Pelicans at Raptors, Friday, TSN: 231,000

Huh. Go figure. The Raptors can't even outdraw curling! That's actually cool, though, curling being an indigenous Canadian sport. I mean, I could never watch it myself, but I'm actually happy to see something homegrown doing so comparatively well.

elly63 Jan 31, 2016 5:17 AM

^I'm glad you're being reasonable about this and I know I come across as a jerk sometimes about this stuff, but you really have to hammer it home sometimes to get the truth out there. A lot of people are operating in a world of myth like we did in 1972 when we played the Russians and then they hammered the point in to us.

You say Canada basketball wasn't good in the 80's. Says who? You just weren't exposed to it. I saw the AUAA back then and they were mostly all good teams. Like isaidso, I was a Dal Tiger guy back then, the UVic Vikings could have played in MM easily.

Canadians want to see Canadians, I honestly don't know why we are being fed a steady stream of American sports unless it's to cater to a large area that is still buying into a myth from the 80s.

Xelebes Jan 31, 2016 5:19 AM

/big curling fan here

Okay, I don't really follow it by tracking the who's who. I just watch it whenever I can. Tracking the who's who kills the fun in watching it.

Back to basketball.

elly63 Jan 31, 2016 5:38 AM

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Originally Posted by rousseau (Post 7319390)
But if it is actually getting better, then it's a shame that the sports shows aren't covering them. I don't watch sports commentary or news, so I don't what's going on with this. Can anyone share a link to a Canadian sports broadcast showing that Canadian university basketball gets shortchanged?

It's kind of difficult to show a link to something that doesn't get covered at all, forget shortchanged. We've even got to the point that a loathsome company like Rogers will not cover (or worse denigrates) a property they don't own, thus denying its existence.

Remember this from two years ago: "in an exhibition game last August, the Carleton Ravens lost in overtime to the now number one ranked US college team Syracuse (who ironically have a Canadian youth NT freshman starting for them). In that same tournament the Ravens beat perennial MM team Wisconsin

That was the same Wisconsin team that lost by one point in the MM semi final. And for our folks still living the myth both NCAA teams played their best players.

elly63 Jan 31, 2016 6:18 AM

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Originally Posted by rousseau (Post 7319390)
I don't watch sports commentary or news, so I don't what's going on with this.

You definitely aren't missing anything. As a former media guy I like the late Joe Frazier's take on radio. Before he came to Philadelphia he was from South Carolina and spoke their local dialect, he would pronounce the word radio as rude-e-o. I think that's about right today.

GernB Jan 31, 2016 8:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Acajack (Post 7319374)
I just learned tonight while reading this thread that my metro area has two of the top three university basketball teams in the country.

Yet I've never heard of this until now and every time I listen to Ottawa sports radio stations if they talk college hoops (either local shows or national shows out of Toronto) I am always hearing about Villanova or Texas or whatever.

Yes, and Carleton has been so for the last decade...and have beaten a number of NCAA majors in that time. Ottawa's star has risen more recently but CIS basketball is overall at a very high level. My Alma Mater (U of L) is knocking on the door of a top ten ranking for the first time in years.

GernB Jan 31, 2016 8:14 AM

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Originally Posted by elly63 (Post 7319408)
^I'm glad you're being reasonable about this and I know I come across as a jerk sometimes about this stuff, but you really have to hammer it home sometimes to get the truth out there. A lot of people are operating in a world of myth like we did in 1972 when we played the Russians and then they hammered the point in to us.

You say Canada basketball wasn't good in the 80's. Says who? You just weren't exposed to it. I saw the AUAA back then and they were mostly all good teams. Like isaidso, I was a Dal Tiger guy back then, the UVic Vikings could have played in MM easily.

Canadians want to see Canadians, I honestly don't know why we are being fed a steady stream of American sports unless it's to cater to a large area that is still buying into a myth from the 80s.

Agreed, anyone who says Canadian basketball wasn't any good in the eighties either wasn't there or wasn't paying attention. UVic was an awesome program under Ken Shields (and so was the womens' team under his wife Kathy) and the 1983 Universiade should have been the breakthrough....but after Donahue left the program, it lost its way. There were a lot of stories around about the almost criminally incompetent Canada Basketball but I don't know how true they were.

Dr Awesomesauce Jan 31, 2016 8:24 AM

I grew up watching OUAA men's basketball on CHCH. I don't think I knew a single other person who did - maybe my high school basketball coach. I dunno, I thought it was pretty good and I'm sure if they 'sexed it up' a little, it might sell...maybe. Watching it in person is definitely a thing. Definitely...

Acajack Jan 31, 2016 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Awesomesauce (Post 7319482)
I grew up watching OUAA men's basketball on CHCH. I don't think I knew a single other person who did - maybe my high school basketball coach. I dunno, I thought it was pretty good and I'm sure if they 'sexed it up' a little, it might sell...maybe. Watching it in person is definitely a thing. Definitely...

I did too though I was never a big basketball fan but watched all sports to some degree.

I remember there was a university in southern Ontario where the fans would stand and clap from the start of the game until their team got their first basket.

Which one? Not sure. Waterloo maybe?

Acajack Jan 31, 2016 1:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rousseau (Post 7319397)

Huh. Go figure. The Raptors can't even outdraw curling! That's actually cool, though, curling being an indigenous Canadian sport. I mean, I could never watch it myself, but I'm actually happy to see something homegrown doing so comparatively well.

Curling is another example of the media telling us what they think we should watch instead of what Canadians actually want to watch.

NCAA March Madness gets exponentially more national media coverage from CANADIAN sports media, and yet…

The final of the Brier consistently gets well over 1 million TV viewers.

The NCAA men's basketball final is in the 300-400,000 range.

After a while, the media's efforts start to have an effect, and the ratings may in fact start to fall into line with what they are force-feeding Canadians as what is truly deserving of their attention. NCAA Final Four games may well outdraw the Brier or at least rival it for viewers at some point the future.

I mean, we've seen that in other sports already, haven't we?

MonctonRad Jan 31, 2016 1:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Acajack (Post 7319517)
I remember there was a university in southern Ontario where the fans would stand and clap from the start of the game until their team got their first basket.

That's a thing with the Moncton Miracles of the NBL too. Sometimes you end up standing a looong time, and your hands get sore from all the clapping........ :)

Acajack Jan 31, 2016 1:02 PM

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Originally Posted by elly63 (Post 7319423)

Remember this from two years ago: "in an exhibition game last August, the Carleton Ravens lost in overtime to the now number one ranked US college team Syracuse (who ironically have a Canadian youth NT freshman starting for them). In that same tournament the Ravens beat perennial MM team Wisconsin

That was the same Wisconsin team that lost by one point in the MM semi final. And for our folks still living the myth both NCAA teams played their best players.

What's telling about the article on the Ravens is the reporter asks if they should join the NCAA!

MonctonRad Jan 31, 2016 1:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Acajack (Post 7319525)
What's telling about the article on the Ravens is the reporter asks if they should join the NCAA!

Frig that!! It pisses me off to no end that Simon Fraser plays NCAA football rather than in the CIS. We don't need that crap in basketball too!! :hell:

VANRIDERFAN Jan 31, 2016 1:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Acajack (Post 7319522)
Curling is another example of the media telling us what they think we should watch instead of what Canadians actually want to watch.

NCAA March Madness gets exponentially more national media coverage from CANADIAN sports media, and yet…

The final of the Brier consistently gets well over 1 million TV viewers.

The NCAA men's basketball final is in the 300-400,000 range.

After a while, the media's efforts start to have an effect, and the ratings may in fact start to fall into line with what they are force-feeding Canadians as what is truly deserving of their attention. NCAA Final Four games may well outdraw the Brier or at least rival it for viewers at some point the future.

I mean, we've seen that in other sports already, haven't we?

Thats because the Brier and Scotties are watched by old white people and the tall foreheads in Toronto (home of TSN, Sportsnet, CTV and CBC) have decided that the Canadians that count (25 - 35 year olds) are more interested in NBA or NCAA than they are in CIS. Although the Vanier received very good numbers you had to be a mind reader to find it on the TV!

Gerrard Jan 31, 2016 1:54 PM

It's unfortunate this thread took the turn it did into Toronto bashing. Instead of just a celebration of basketball in Canada. But I suppose hosting the All Star game did stick in a few posters craws and thus another thread on the brink.

Acajack Jan 31, 2016 2:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerrard (Post 7319537)
It's unfortunate this thread took the turn it did into Toronto bashing. Instead of just a celebration of basketball in Canada. But I suppose hosting the All Star game did stick in a few posters craws and thus another thread on the brink.

Well, I for one didn't bash Toronto. Yes, the national anglophone sports media are all based there but I suppose that the people involved aren't all or even mostly native Torontonians as people who want to work in the field from all over the country all converge there.

As for the NBA ASG I honestly have not given it much thought. The idea that I am jealous is laughable as I can't even name three curent NBA players.

Acajack Jan 31, 2016 2:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerrard (Post 7319537)
It's unfortunate this thread took the turn it did into Toronto bashing. Instead of just a celebration of basketball in Canada. But I suppose hosting the All Star game did stick in a few posters craws and thus another thread on the brink.

BTW not sure if you are making a link between the two but the Toronto NBA ASG has surprisingly little to do with celebrating basketball in Canada. Even if it is a cool event.

Gerrard Jan 31, 2016 2:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Acajack (Post 7319539)
Well, I for one didn't bash Toronto. Yes, the national anglophone sports media are all based there but I suppose that the people involved aren't all or even mostly native Torontonians as people who want to work in the field from all over the country all converge there.

As for the NBA ASG I honestly have not given it much thought. The idea that I am jealous is laughable as I can't even name three curent NBA players.

To be honest I wasn't even thinking about you when I wrote that so chill, although strangely like a mouse to cheese you really didn't pop up until the bashing started.

On a subject you have zero interest in about 1/3 of the post in the thread are now yours.

Gerrard Jan 31, 2016 2:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Acajack (Post 7319540)
BTW not sure if you are making a link between the two but the Toronto NBA ASG has surprisingly little to do with celebrating basketball in Canada. Even if it is a cool event.

Well it kinda does. Last time I checked Toronto was in Canada. The Raptors which rep the city are located in Toronto. etc.


Here's the deal, if curling (or CFL football) get way higher ratings than Basketball in this country then neither is suffering from a lack of media coverage.

VANRIDERFAN Jan 31, 2016 2:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerrard (Post 7319537)
It's unfortunate this thread took the turn it did into Toronto bashing. Instead of just a celebration of basketball in Canada. But I suppose hosting the All Star game did stick in a few posters craws and thus another thread on the brink.

Really, are you that thinned skinned?
Fact: Media Centre of Canada is Toronto
Fact: Sports Media Centre of Canada is Toronto
Fact: What we see on network TV is decided in Toronto
Fact: All CIS sports take a back seat to NCAA

Result: I would like the media deciders in Toronto to give the homegrown Canadian college teams a little love once in awhile.

Gerrard Jan 31, 2016 2:17 PM

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Originally Posted by VANRIDERFAN (Post 7319544)
Really, are you that thinned skinned?
Fact: Media Centre of Canada is Toronto
Fact: Sports Media Centre of Canada is Toronto
Fact: What we see on network TV is decided in Toronto
Fact: All CIS sports take a back seat to NCAA

Result: I would like the media deciders in Toronto to give the homegrown Canadian college teams a little love once in awhile.

If you want to support college basketball, buy tickets to your local team and watch it rather than complaining about something you have absolutely no right to complain about unless you're supplementing the advertising budget.


You have local networks write them and ask them to cover local sporting events.

Acajack Jan 31, 2016 2:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerrard (Post 7319545)
If you want to support college basketball, buy tickets to your local team and watch it rather than complaining about something you have absolutely no right to complain about unless you're supplementing the advertising budget.


You have local networks write them and ask them to cover local sporting events.

Well the CIS men's national basketball championship tourney is not a ''local'' event, and it gets next to zero coverage from the national media...

VANRIDERFAN Jan 31, 2016 2:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerrard (Post 7319545)
If you want to support college basketball, buy tickets to your local team and watch it rather than complaining about something you have absolutely no right to complain about unless you're supplementing the advertising budget.


You have local networks write them and ask them to cover local sporting events.

Yes our access channel covers the local university and minor league teams. I've attended many games as well. They don't cover other teams though and I would like to be able to watch other colleges play and not just the UofR.

What do you mean I have no right to complain? Are you the hall monitor?

Gerrard Jan 31, 2016 2:33 PM

I suspect if Toronto were hosting the Olympics you'd all be complaining that the networks were preempting your local sporting events to live feed them.

But fair enough, if complaining about Toronto is what gets yall through the day have at it. It's actually really amusing.

VANRIDERFAN Jan 31, 2016 2:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerrard (Post 7319552)
I suspect if Toronto were hosting the Olympics you'd all be complaining that the networks were preempting your local sporting events to live feed them.

But fair enough, if complaining about Toronto is what gets yall (whats with the dixism?) through the day have at it. It's actually really amusing.

So I take you need a safe room with some puppies and kittens when people talk about Toronto?

Acajack Jan 31, 2016 2:59 PM

BTW the most popular sport in Canada in terms of paid annual attendance is actually CHL junior hockey. Attendance is over 7 million a year. More than all of the Canadian NHL teams combined, more than the CFL, the Raptors, the Blue Jays. More than anyone.

But how much CHL coverage is there in the national media? A bit during the Memorial Cup and that's about it.

On the other hand we get TSN Sports Radio often doing like I heard them in the fall, giving us those critical early season NCAA basketball scores. UConn beat Boston College at the buzzer on Oct. 15. Woohoo!

Gerrard Jan 31, 2016 3:01 PM

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Originally Posted by VANRIDERFAN (Post 7319554)
So I take you need a safe room with some puppies and kittens when people talk about Toronto?

Yeah that's exactly it. I thought this was a thread about basketball?


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