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Being an outlier in this way is part of Montreal and Quebec's ethos. Toronto is totally different. It deliberately lays claim to the cross-Canada "beacon" or standard-bearer status but remains aloof to a lot of what most people consider iconic Canadiana. |
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I was in Toronto in my youth when they had Aussie rules football exhibition games in the city one time, and the AFL was considered a lot cool-er than the Argos and the CFL. A meaningless match between the Geelong Cats and the Collingwood Magpies had more cred on the streets of the city than the Grey Cup that was played within a few weeks (IIRC) at SkyDome. |
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Toronto is an interesting place to foreign visitors primarily because it is a big city with lots of "stuff". Places that are popular with visitors in terms of human culture (as opposed to mountain scenery etc.) are those which tend to be as you say "stereotypically Canadian": Quebec, Newfoundland... Having smidgens of imported Ghanaian, Tamil and Cambodian culture in a city is cool to a point, but it's never going to equate the real thing in the old countries. If it leads to unique mixes that are Ghanaian-Tamil-Cambodian, then you're talking. And this may indeed come to light in Toronto one day. But if you just end up with a bunch of people of Ghanaian, Tamil, Cambodian, etc. origin eating hamburgers, watching Jimmy Kimmel and Grey's Anatomy and the Super Bowl, then that won't really be anything special. |
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The popularity of the Wolfpack could probably be drawn down to some sort of weird Commonwealth ties and being more progressive/interactive/exciting than Canadian football/Argos, or other local sports. The team is dominating and should be promoted up, whether the majority of people going to Lamport for games are aware of that or not. On that note, Wolfpack drew 7,139 yesterday, bringing their season average up to 6,581 with one regular season home game remaining. ---- FC Edmonton drew 3,438 on Friday against North Carolina FC, dropping their season average down slightly to 3,588. REDBLACKS and Roughriders had what were essentially sellouts last night, wrapping up a pretty good Week 3 for CFL gates. Blue Jays continue to draw into the 40Ks in early July despite the sluggish season. 41K, 37K, 46K hosting the Astros so far just before the All Star Break. |
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CFL this week
Ham @ Sask Attendance: 33,050 % Capacity 99.1 Tor @ Ott Attendance: 24,347 % Capacity 98.7 Cal @ Wpg Attendance: 30,165 % Capacity 91.3 BC @ Mtl Attendance: 18,728 % Capacity 79.7 Financial break even point acknowledged to be 18,000 according to CFL super fan Sportsnet's Arash Madani. |
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The single exception is hockey but hockey is ingrained at a young age in Canada & Toronto & it's no exception in Canada, outside of Saskatchewan, that it remains the most popular sport. |
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ie. Saskatoon in the 1990s and again in 2010 |
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What's the attendance for F1 Grand Prix weekend? 300,000? Rogers Cup tennis attendance in Montreal is consistently higher than in Toronto and the stadiums are about the same size. The Montreal Impact holds the top of couple of rungs for record soccer attendance in Canada. Yes, Montreal won't draw well for a random women's NT soccer friendly against North Korea, but those game don't draw flies in Toronto either. The only place they same to draw well is Edmonton. Have I ever mentioned that I think Edmonton is the best sports city in the country? |
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Montreal has routinely drawn lower than expectations for a number of FIFA events in Canada. Outside of the 2007 U20s where attendance was quite good they were later outdrawn by Toronto, Edmonton, Winnipeg, and Vancouver (and nearly Ottawa) in the 2014 U20s and 2015 Women's World Cup. It's become pretty obvious that the hierarchy for hosting in Canada, at least in the eyes of CSA, is something like Toronto = Vancouver > Edmonton. If it's a sole friendly event featuring a Canadian National Team Montreal is likely further down the list below a few others. |
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..with Edmonton being the only city in Canada to have a large enough & suitable track & field stadium plus all the other major events for sports used for World University Games & World Track & Field Championships etc. Edmonton is poised to be number 1 city for being next to host a Summer Olympics in Canada if it bids. as far as bids for sports, Regina seems to be the epicentre for sports in Canada next year in 2018 with the Brier, Memorial Cup, the Skate Canada International this Fall (in highly sought after Winter Olympic season) ..and.. ..Plus a World Ladies LPGA golf tournament next year. http://www.lpga.com/news/2017-wascan...cp-womens-open not to be left out, Saskatoon held its annual International Houghton-Boston Tennis Classic this last week. Couple years ago, Denis Shapovalov played in the tournament & while the then 16-year-old didn’t win, he did get his first qualifying point in Saskatchewan, which made his Boy’s Singles Final win last year at Wimbledon special for Riverside Tennis club in S'toon. https://www.saskatoonriverside.com/h...ennis-classic/ Saskatoon also bid for and is hosting Canada's first FIBA 3x3 World Tour stop this next week & showcasing Canada's best 3x3 basketball team from the Paris-of-the-Prairies :tup: http://globalnews.ca/news/3222259/fi...-to-saskatoon/ |
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How many fans go to Varsity Blues football games? A few hundred? On another front, we're in the middle of summer blockbuster season and two of the top 10 movies in Montreal and Quebec are home-grown, including the one that's currently in first place. One is Bon Cop Bad Cop and the other is a movie that no one outside Quebec has ever heard of, nor will they ever hear of it. But sure, Montreal does like international events a lot. But that's not all they're interested in. Homegrown stuff is still very popular. Even if Rita MacNeil and Team Gushue and the Tragically Hip don't count as "local". Plenty of other stuff does. |
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London is hardly the 'classic British' city today than it was in the past. New York City isn't the hardscrabble gateway to America that it was prior. More like a gateway for rich immigrants. You don't go to New York to find a slice of Middle America. My original post related to Toronto being a Canadian city. I still think it is one, with the power of 'internationalization' changing it. |
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I live in Quebec but am of Acadian and Franco-Ontarian origin with a not-insignificant anglo dimension to my persona, even if I am francophone. This is me and it's as legitimate a way of being as any other. But that doesn't mean that the Québécois-Acadien-Franco-Ontarien-Gatinois-(anglo-familiar) culture exists out there in the broader context to any significant degree. Nor that it ever will. |
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I am pretty familiar with most of the world's megacities and Toronto is much further down this path that even London, New York City, Paris, etc. In all of these cases there is much more of a reciprocal cultural relationship between the metropolis and the heartland/hinterland. New Yorkers may not eat grits or have luaus but they sure as hell have heard of them and probably have some idea of what they are. In a sense Toronto may be the closest thing there is to a "globalist capital city". Yes, American culture in Toronto takes up a lot of the space that would normally be occupied by domestic culture, but American culture is also a large part of the diet of globalists around the world regardless of nationality. |
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I take your overall meaning though. It's probably a product of Toronto being a fairly new city in the grand scheme of things (no chance to really develop its own history prior to globalization) and the fact that English Canadian culture is very similar to American culture, so it gets somewhat lost in the din. |
Didn't Edmonton rip up the track at Commonwealth?
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Weekend Wrapup:
Edmonton & Ottawa......CFL.....Commonwealth Stadium....July 14.....36,260 Winnipeg & Toronto.......CFL.....IGF Field.........................July 13.....25,085 Hamilton & BC..............CFL.....Tim Hortons Field.............July 15.....24,135 Montreal & Calgary........CFL.....Molson Stadium...............July 14.....18,610 Toronto & Hemel...........RFL3.....Lamport Stadium............July 15.....7,247 Ottawa & Rochester.....................USL.....TD Place.............July 15.....5,525 Edmonton & New York.................NASL.....Clarke Field........July 15.....4,096 Ottawa & Quebec........................CANAM.....GT Stadium.....July 15.....3,192 Ottawa & Sussex County..............CANAM.....GT Stadium.....July 13.....2,292 Trois-Rivieres & Sussex County.....CANAM.....Stade Stereo+.July 14.....1,633 Trois-Rivieres & New Jersey.....CANAM.....Stade Stereo+.....July 13.....1,403 Ottawa & Quebec....................CANAM.....GT Stadium.........July 14.....958 |
Saturday, July 15, 2017
Hillsboro Hops at Vancouver Canadians - 6413 - Northwest League Medicine Hat Mavericks at Okotoks Dawgs - 4459 - Western Major Baseball League Kansas City T-Bones at Winnipeg Goldeyes - 4413 - American Association Bismarck Larks at Thunder Bay Border Cats - 920 - Northwoods League Wenatchee AppleSox at Kelowna Falcons - 793 - West Coast League Moose Jaw Miller Express at Swift Current 57's - 422 - Western Major Baseball League Melville Millionaires at Weyburn Beavers - 215 - Western Major Baseball League Edmonton Prospects at Yorkton Cardinals - 200 - Western Major Baseball League |
Impressive minor league base-ball attendance in some places.
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Sunday"s Honda Indy Toronto was a "seat sellout" and the contract with the organizers has been renewed until 2020.
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The CANAM League looks a little bit strange to me. 3 Canadian teams competing against 3 American teams, all of which are located within the New York metropolitan area. That would probably make more sense to me if the American teams were located in smaller markets near the border. This reminds me of the CFL expansion in the US. Do the American even care about this league? For some reason I find it hard to believe that people in New Jersey get excited over a game against Trois-Rivières.
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In independent baseball, the opponent does not matter. People only attend the games for the promotions or just a nice evening outside. This is a fact as you can compare any regular season game attendance compared to a playoff game where only the hardcore fans show up.
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Just throwing this out for discussion
We all know the issues in Toronto with the CFL and attendance, however in a Wednesday night game in Ottawa it was jam packed with 24,756 fans hanging from the rafters In MLS last night, NYRB had 17,362, NYCFC had 22,011, LA Galaxy had 17,404 and Montreal 16,660. Granted Toronto, Atlanta, Orlando, Seattle, Portland are strong in attendance, but what gives TFC fans the right to kick the $hit out of the CFL when MLS as a whole is struggling in some pretty big markets I am a fan of both leagues and want both to succeed and I know as a family person, mid week games are a struggle to get crowds... But A) lets give Ottawa, Hamilton, Edmonton, Saskatchewan and Winnipeg credit for being in fans and pushing the CFL average attendance up. And B) TFC fans, yes you have done a great job supporting your team, but it does not give you the right to think MLS is so superior to CFL, when MLS has tons of tons of its own issues. Its not so much on this forum, but on twitter, the TFC trolls are mind numbing!! |
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Anyway, it's not hokey hayseed fun either. In case someone was going to go there. |
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The revamped TD Place allows fans to watch games from many public areas around the stadium. Empty seats mean nothing as you can see hundreds (or more) socializing in both end zones and no doubt in the lower concessions area of the south side stadium, which also overlooks the field.
What is amazing is that a small hill exists in the east end zone that is just outside the stadium where you typically see a few hundred fans who have not paid. I think for PR reasons, the RedBlacks have not blocked access to that hill. The whole idea of creating a fun atmosphere has been a big success at TD Place. With more than 17,000 season ticket holders, it is not hard to sell out every game. OSEG and the RedBlacks has been great at introducing a whole new generation to the CFL. You can see it in the crowd. Every generation is represented. Amazing for a city that has had awful football or no football at all between 1980 and 2014. A lot has gone very well for the RedBlacks with the team and with the design of the stadium and the surrounding area and even with the transportation plan. The surrounding area is designed to allow lots of people to have a good time before and after games. Even the refereeing controversies that have been common at TD Place help by building up crowd interest, even if calls have often gone against the RedBlacks. |
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In saying that, last night's Ti-Cats game was 23,531. I believe it's technically the lowest attendance at the new Tim Hortons field but i'm probably splitting hairs. 80 less than the previous low. Still, it's near capacity so there's nothing really wrong with this for a Thursday. The 16,660 for the Impact on Wednesday was the lowest of the season and lowest since the penultimate home match last season. Brings their average down to just above 20K. As stated, REDBLACKS crowd on Wednesday was very good. Lions play tonight, tomorrow features three MLS and one CFL, and then the Argos get the pleasure of playing at home on a Monday night. Off week for USL/NASL, Jays are still on a road swing, Wolfpack don't play at home again until mid-August. |
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I would talk more about the CFL's attendance doing well if it was doing well...outside of some occasional sellouts and strong matches its trends have been going down for the better part of a decade now. Show some bright points and we'll talk about them. I guess you skipped over my line supporting Ottawa's strong attendance on a Wednesday. :shrug: |
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How about doing us a favour and mensching up about why you want to kill the CFL. It's not going to affect MLS attendance in any way shape or form so why fear it? Do you really think people are so stupid they can't recognize your constant insidiously negative CFL posts and shots. Why the fear? |
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