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sbarn Jan 6, 2019 4:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pianowizard (Post 8427492)
Thanks guys for explaining why this building's small footprint is not economically disadvantageous. I just thought of another plausible explanation why all these supertalls near Central Park are so skinny. As has been mentioned ad nauseam, there are concerns about them casting shadows over the park. Is it possible that had these buildings been not only supertall but also significantly wider, they would have had an even harder time getting approved?

All the supertall towers along the 57th Street corridor comply with zoning, so they are as-of-right. This means that they can be built without approvals from the City's Planning Department. 111 West 57th needed Landmarks Commission approval because it is integrated with the landmarked Steinway building. Their form are purely a function of economics and zoning envelope.

NYguy Jan 7, 2019 1:32 AM

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Originally Posted by sbarn (Post 8427565)
All the supertall towers along the 57th Street corridor comply with zoning, so they are as-of-right. This means that they can be built without approvals from the City's Planning Department. 111 West 57th needed Landmarks Commission approval because it is integrated with the landmarked Steinway building. Their form are purely a function of economics and zoning envelope.

Likewise, CPT only need approvals for the cantilever over the landmark next door (Arts Students League). Of the new group of supertall residentials in Midtown, only 53w53 went through the full ULURP (approvals) process. And it suffered for it.



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SFBruin Jan 10, 2019 4:53 AM

I'm sure that this has been discussed already, but how did they make the tower so skinny without being structurally unsound?

Just caught up on this project and am intrigued.

Obadno Jan 10, 2019 6:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SFBruin (Post 8431689)
I'm sure that this has been discussed already, but how did they make the tower so skinny without being structurally unsound?

Just caught up on this project and am intrigued.

Modern materials are pretty incredible.

MAybe like...idk Nanotubes or something?

mrnyc Jan 10, 2019 6:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SFBruin (Post 8431689)
I'm sure that this has been discussed already, but how did they make the tower so skinny without being structurally unsound?

Just caught up on this project and am intrigued.


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TK2001 Jan 10, 2019 8:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SFBruin (Post 8431689)
I'm sure that this has been discussed already, but how did they make the tower so skinny without being structurally unsound?

Just caught up on this project and am intrigued.

It has thick concrete walls on the east and west face and there will be a tuned mass damper on the 88th floor, both prevent swaying. It's currently on the 86th floor and 83% up

Barney Greengrass Jan 10, 2019 11:02 PM

It's basically a circulation core without any building attached, and the core does most of the work anyway, ask the Rainier Tower in Seattle.

It never ceases to amaze me when I look at it from various vantage points that there are only 40 some odd units in this thing, but that's what you get when all your square footage has to fit inside the core. An amazing amount of work and materials for so few people.

NYguy Jan 11, 2019 1:25 AM

A snapshot in time on the city's skyline. There's someone being born right now, or maybe a year or two ago who will only know the skyline with these towers on it, same as we know the skyline with the Chrysler or the ESB. An image like this will be even more amazing years from now.



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Skyguy_7 Jan 12, 2019 2:50 AM

Would anyone in the know care to tell me how deep they drilled the rock tendons for this tower’s foundation? The excavation process was obscured to the point I am scratching my head how it works. We never got much of a look at “the pit” like we did for 432 Park.

NYguy Jan 12, 2019 2:55 AM

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Would anyone in the know care to tell me how deep they drilled the rock tendons for this tower’s foundation? The excavation process was obscured to the point I am scratching my head how it works. We never got much of a look at “the pit” like we did for 432 Park.

That seems so long ago, I don't even remember if that was covered here. But no doubt there will be some documentary about the construction of this building as well. Maybe somebody can shed some light on that.



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NYguy Jan 15, 2019 11:46 PM

Hard to believe the skyline didn't have these towers on it a few short years ago...


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dropdeaded209 Jan 17, 2019 10:50 AM

so how will the crown be assembled? piece by piece or like a giant cap? this is going to be wild to watch!

Skyguy_7 Jan 17, 2019 1:38 PM

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so how will the crown be assembled? piece by piece or like a giant cap? this is going to be wild to watch!

Piece by piece. It certainly will be wild. It should go up quick. There is even a slim chance that during the crown installation, this tower overtakes CPT in height, albeit briefly. :runaway:

pico44 Jan 18, 2019 2:59 AM


And it still has another 200 feet to go

Hoooooly sheeeeeeit


It's Gaw-damned spectacular

mrnyc Jan 18, 2019 7:32 PM

^ the ducks are a nice touch on that one! :tup:

Ryan81 Jan 19, 2019 12:36 PM

^ I love how 1 WTC is nestled in that shot.

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mrnyc Jan 22, 2019 3:33 AM

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NYguy Jan 22, 2019 4:22 PM

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Shards of glass rained down on a sidewalk in Midtown Monday, after a construction elevator broke free from a skyscraper that was under construction and then smashed into nearby windows, authorities said.
Reminds me of the crane incident at One57.

Look for the union to jump all over this one.



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No injuries were initially reported, but witnesses said some glass fell from the building.

“I saw it swing out in the wind, and then it crashed against the side of the building,” said witness Myron Reddy, 56, a construction worker. “I thought it had to cause structural damage.”

A construction worker who didn’t give his name said he was assigned to secure the scaffold.

“It came loose in the wind on the 48th floor,” said the man, who wore a yellow-and-white vest. “I’ve got to go up and tie it down. It should be all right.”

McSky Jan 22, 2019 6:56 PM

Cue the large inflatable rat.

photoLith Jan 22, 2019 7:16 PM

Everyone loves Scabby the Union Rat

chris08876 Jan 23, 2019 12:53 AM

It was scaffolding that broke loose.

Ryan81 Jan 24, 2019 2:35 AM

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chris08876 Jan 28, 2019 10:49 PM

Anybody notice the waves in the facade as the light casts on it? Best facade to rise in the city in the last 20 years.

I have a feeling 45 Broad will be another one.

bgsrand Jan 28, 2019 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by chris08876 (Post 8452552)
Anybody notice the waves in the facade as the light casts on it? Best facade to rise in the city in the last 20 years.

I have a feeling 45 Broad will be another one.

I am already feeling nostalgic that this one is almost complete. I remember drooling over the renders, and the real thing is even better

kenratboy Jan 29, 2019 12:38 AM

WOW!!! Unreal, it is more like an antenna than a building!

And Scabby is the best, can I rent him for Halloween?

NYguy Jan 29, 2019 1:49 AM

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Originally Posted by kenratboy (Post 8452716)
WOW!!! Unreal, it is more like an antenna than a building!

I've seen no antennas anywhere this big, or at least big enough to live in. It's a very slender tower for sure though. And there's still more to go.



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BoM Trespasser Jan 29, 2019 2:41 AM

Glistening in the slanting sun. Beautiful.

mrnyc Jan 29, 2019 6:14 PM

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Originally Posted by chris08876 (Post 8452552)
Anybody notice the waves in the facade as the light casts on it? Best facade to rise in the city in the last 20 years.

I have a feeling 45 Broad will be another one.



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NYguy Feb 5, 2019 1:15 PM

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.....The newly restored white limestone facade of the 1920s Steinway Hall, where Sergei Rachmaninoff, Nina Simone and Marvin Gaye all played, now cowers at the foot of one of the most audacious structures ever conceived.

The former piano showroom and recital hall will soon serve as the luxury health club for residents of 111 West 57th Street, a 435-metre tall, 18-metre wide wafer of a building. With a slenderness ratio of 1:24, it is set to be the skinniest skyscraper in the world. Try making that stand up in gale-force winds.

“The 800-tonne tuned mass damper helps,” says Chris Sharples of SHoP Architects, the firm responsible for the design, referring to the gigantic weight at the top of the tower that will help to stabilise the building. Making this gossamer-thin strip of a tower stand up has some strange consequences inside. In order to leave the north and south facades open for uninterrupted views, the two bracing concrete side walls are up to a metre thick, creating deep arrow-slit windows – perhaps an appropriate aesthetic for these fortified luxury bunkers in the sky.
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Right out of one of Hugh Ferriss’s drawings, the tower’s tapering silhouette is a literal expression of the required set-back angle along 57th Street. (The developers even hung a Ferriss-inspired image of the building over the scaffolding, perhaps the first time a planning diagram has been used as a marketing tool.) But rather than stepping the building back in big chunks, the architects have reduced the mass in slender increments, giving it the feathered look of a quill pen. They have taken inspiration from New York’s cherished skyscrapers of the early 20th century, such as the Woolworth and Chrysler buildings, cladding the concrete side walls with panels of moulded terracotta and bronze, which form shimmering waves when seen from the street below. It is one of the few hyper-luxury apartment buildings that actually has the ethereal aura you would expect – a fitting costume for the eyrie of an untouchable elite.
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“We were thinking the very top would make a cool aviary,” adds Sharples, “but it doesn’t look like that’s going to happen.” There may be no aviary, but there is practically everything else.

To stand in the show apartment across the road is to be transported to another realm. A miniature bronze model of the tower serves as the apartment’s front door handle, which turns with an expensive clunk to reveal a lair of untold opulence. It is a place where the walls of his-and-hers dressing rooms are covered with leather and velvet, where sinks are carved from solid blocks of Italian onyx, where walnut drawers are lined with ostrich skin.

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“We’ve used the most expensive and hard-to-find stone in the world,” says Michael Stern, founder of JDS Development Group, as he pats one of the solid marble kitchen counters. A thick-set 39-year-old with a soft Long Island accent, Stern makes for a disarming luxury real-estate tycoon. He is a passionate enthusiast for the city’s architectural history, and seems genuinely eager to add to the canon. He extolls his tower as a monument of world firsts, from the acres of rare book-matched stone and timber to “the most complicated facade ever attempted”. Leading me around the palatial apartment, he points out how the shower doorframe is made of solid bronze, how the kitchen cupboards are single pieces of curved glass, how the spiral staircase has solid stone treads. At least the weight of all the marble should be enough to keep the tower from tipping over.
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So what does Stern make of the criticisms that these silos of billionaires are casting ever-longer shadows across Central Park, and that the negotiations happen well away from public scrutiny?

“The shadow argument has been debunked completely,” he insists. “Shorter, blockier buildings cast bigger, long-lasting shadows than tall slender buildings, which have longer shadows that move more quickly. If all of the air rights were built out in slender towers, rather than blocky buildings, the shadow impact would be much less. The density is finite, so isn’t it better that it’s used in a taller, slender building, rather than a short, fatter one?”

As for the lack of public review, he is adamant that it is the foundation of the city’s success. “One of the great things about New York, compared to other cities, is that, as a developer, you can rely on as-of-right zoning: there is a certainty about your building rights. What makes the economy go is the fact there isn’t a discretionary review of everything.” When I raise the opacity of air rights transfers, and the problem that no neighbour knows who is selling, or if they will see a 30- or 90-storey tower as a result of their sale, he grins: “That’s part of the game of assemblage.”
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This love of Manhattan’s no-holds-barred market logic is shared by Carol Willis, director of the city’s Skyscraper Museum, which staged an exhibition on the super-slender towers when they first began to appear in 2013. When asked in an interview if there should be any change to planning policy in response to the rash of super-talls, her response was immediate: “No, absolutely not.”

She says campaigners fail to understand that these towers “will not add one single square foot of built density to the city”, given that allowable density is finite. “It’s a cap-and-trade system,” she says, so once air rights are transferred from a low-rise lot, it will stay low for ever. The rules merely allow potential floor area to be shifted, not created.

As for the accusation that the buildings will remain empty, sold to a class of people who won’t live in them anyway, she makes an interesting comparison with London, where swaths of Kensington and Chelsea stand eerily quiet for much of the year, having been flogged off to overseas investors.

“Concentrating more people, even if they’re billionaires, in towers to keep neighbourhoods tight and active is a much smarter way to add space to the city,” she says, “rather than to displace people on the ground plane and move them further out … The problem of people having more money should be addressed by taxes and public policy, not by restricting purchases on multi-million dollar apartments.”


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