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GaylordWilshire Mar 5, 2021 5:36 PM

I've been tuning into this thread for over 11 years. I'm not aware of any arguing here in all that time that hasn't involved CityBoyDoug or his former persona (and current, elsewhere on the internet), DouglasUrantia. Interesting how that's worked.

A wider view of the RKO building. The sign's pediment matches the building's.
https://i.postimg.cc/7LB1nJh2/rkobldg-bmp.jpg

CityBoyDoug Mar 5, 2021 5:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9208448)
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Doug, if you don't like a topic it doesn't mean that others don't find it interesting.

KevinW was right to call you out on your snide remark about the possiblity that circus paintings were incorporated into the Beckman Furs sign.

I fully expect that you will now attack me. Instead, you could start a discussion on a subject that you find interesting. That would be most welcome.

Thanks Doug



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I posted a pic of some carousel paintings that I thought Kevin would like. Instead of saying ''thank you'', he attacked me again. What's his problem?

ethereal_reality Mar 5, 2021 5:41 PM

Let it go. PLEASE.

ethereal_reality Mar 5, 2021 5:42 PM

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Here's what I was referring to at the beginning of Gone With The Wind.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/CdcUzI.jpg

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/MpFkDZ.jpg

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/H9LCq9.jpg

As you can see the camera pans down to the administration building.
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Martin Pal Mar 5, 2021 6:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 9203703)
[...]
So, speaking of Bunker Hill, I thought it might be of interest to the assembled that there's been something of a discovery...where once there were no extant surviving houses from the Hill, it seems there is one, and a good one at that...
[...]
https://bunkerhilllosangelescom.file...-am.png?w=1024

Read all about it here https://bunkerhilllosangeles.com/2021/02/27/a-survivor/
_________________________________________________________________


I visited this house yesterday. Lots more greenery around it including the tree (bare in this photo). It felt quite shady. (A good thing.) Was a lovely setting. And there it's been hiding in plain sight all this time!

CityBoyDoug Mar 5, 2021 6:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 9208475)
I've been tuning into this thread for over 11 years. I'm not aware of any arguing here in all that time that hasn't involved CityBoyDoug or his former persona (and current, elsewhere on the internet), DouglasUrantia. Interesting how that's worked.

I always enjoy your posts Gaylord. Lets see more of them.

CityBoyDoug Mar 5, 2021 6:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9208479)
Let it go. PLEASE.

I like this photo and I hope Kevin and E R like it also.

https://christineknight.me/wp-conten...round-7670.jpg
Griffith Park

CityBoyDoug Mar 5, 2021 7:57 PM

https://www.smgov.net/uploadedImages...sel.JPG?n=1686
Santa Monica

CityBoyDoug Mar 5, 2021 11:04 PM

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d5/46...41ef8d38b5.jpg
Santa Monica

I like this and I hope other NLA people like it also.:tup::notacrook::tup::tup:

CaliNative Mar 6, 2021 2:09 AM

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Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 9208082)
Its always nice to read your comments. You always have somethings pleasant to say to me. I put up a carousel pic for you because I knew you would like it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinW (Post 9208092)
Funny, but your opinions frequently seem to be a little nasty towards others. And if it makes you happy to post a carosel picture, all the better. I've met enough nasty people in LA. Lighten up.

Enjoy reading everbody's posts including Doug's. Can we all get along here? Everybody is a bit testy at times because of the unusual covid times. Let this be a place to forget about the troubles with old noirish memories. Most of the posters here have been around for at least a four or five decades, including me. Like to remember the 70s, 60s and 50s. I especially like the old pics from the 1920s, even though that was 25 years before I was born. This is the place to remember the old times. :cheers:

CaliNative Mar 6, 2021 2:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 9208962)
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d5/46...41ef8d38b5.jpg
Santa Monica

I like this and I hope other NLA people like it also.:tup::notacrook::tup::tup:

Used to ride the ones in Griffith Park and Santa Monica when I was a kid. Good memories. Didn't they use this one in SaMo in "the Sting"?

CaliNative Mar 6, 2021 4:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mister_Vintage (Post 9207898)

^^^
Comments & Memories:

1. Ocean cargo ships pre-container era. They used to hire more dockworkers to unload them. The old freighters were tiny compared to modern container ships.

2. L.A. International future version opened in 1961, and V.P. Lyndon Johnson came to town for the grand opening in 1961. I was there...with my parents. It was a big deal. We took photos but I can't find them. Maybe someone can find & post some of the grand open pics with LBJ. I remember LBJ didn't smile much. I think Polson was still mayor & Johnson looked bored. A year or two earlier Khruschev came to town and got mad when Disneyland wouldn't let him visit. He also got into a shouting match with mayor Polson. I remember the Herald Examiner used to call Khruschev "Mr. K".

3. The opening of Disneyland in '55 was a mess..it was hot, the asphalt melted, not enough food, long lines, rides broke down. We went a few weeks later and most of the gremlins were gone. It was fun but very crowded.

4.If the photograper had of panned a bit right, the lovely Richfield tower would be visible. Gasometer upper right. Mystery...where is the turreted old Hall of Records? Is it hidden by one of the other buildings? There is a building to the left of city hall in front of the federal courthouse, but it doesn't look quite like the H of R....but maybe it is.

CityBoyDoug Mar 6, 2021 5:06 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9209102)
Enjoy reading everbody's posts including Doug's. Can we all get along here? Everybody is a bit testy at times because of the unusual covid times. Let this be a place to forget about the troubles with old noirish memories. Most of the posters here have been around for at least a four or five decades, including me. Like to remember the 70s, 60s and 50s. I especially like the old pics from the 1920s, even though that was 25 years before I was born. This is the place to remember the old times. :cheers:

Thank you Cali for the kind words to me.

Secondly, there's someone on here who likes to Dox people. They know who they are. This is illegal.... and wicked.

Lorendoc Mar 6, 2021 5:13 AM

Deutsche Übersetzung
 
Per Mister_Vintage's request:

https://i.imgur.com/LymrIYs.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/1AMm7hT.jpg

This one says:

"Orient and Occident"

"Camels wait at a Union Pacific station at Indio, California, USA, to take travelers to an oasis in the middle of a stretch of desert near Los Angeles."

There are some mistakes/typos in the original but this is what I think was meant.

riichkay Mar 6, 2021 8:23 AM

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

Just posted to YouTube, another of those digitally remastered, colorized, sound added clips....this one has 25 young ladies travelling out here in 1929 to meet Mary Pickford, as a promotion for her first sound picture....not really much L.A. footage, but we do see the Mt. Lowe Railway, and the final shot of the girls boarding a train, which should please all you gasometer fans....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuCXFt52SNs

HossC Mar 6, 2021 8:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mister_Vintage (Post 9207898)

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9209174)

4.If the photograper had of panned a bit right, the lovely Richfield tower would be visible. Gasometer upper right. Mystery...where is the turreted old Hall of Records? Is it hidden by one of the other buildings? There is a building to the left of city hall in front of the federal courthouse, but it doesn't look quite like the H of R....but maybe it is.

It's there, but partly hidden by the Law Building. Here's a slightly different angle from 1961, which is a few years after the photo above. I've linked (L-R) the Law Building, the Hall of Records, the State Building and City Hall to an adjusted detail of the original image.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
LAPL/www.delcampe.net

CaliNative Mar 6, 2021 1:07 PM

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Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 9209279)
https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

Just posted to YouTube, another of those digitally remastered, colorized, sound added clips....this one has 25 young ladies travelling out here in 1929 to meet Mary Pickford, as a promotion for her first sound picture....not really much L.A. footage, but we do see the Mt. Lowe Railway, and the final shot of the girls boarding a train, which should please all you gasometer fans....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuCXFt52SNs

Flappers (or maybe a bit older) and gasometers. In (almost) living color. Only Babe Ruth with the "flappers" would make this more Roaring '20ish. Yes! :tup:

I have talked about a return to circular horn rimmed glasses now that we are in the '20s again. Maybe women will start wearing the helmet-like cloche hats again? I want to see a full Roaring '20s by the time we get out of this pandemic and people are ready to let lose and party again...certainly by the '28 Olympics :wiseman:

CaliNative Mar 6, 2021 1:36 PM

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Originally Posted by HossC (Post 9209283)
It's there, but partly hidden by the Law Building. Here's a slightly different angle from 1961, which is a few years after the photo above. I've linked (L-R) the Law Building, the Hall of Records, the State Building and City Hall to an adjusted detail of the original image.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
LAPL/www.delcampe.net

Yes, there it is. I thought that might be it. The old H of Rs defined the pre-1970s era for me, along with the Richfield & gasometers. I don't miss the gasometers or Brew 102 that much, but I do miss the Bastille-castle-like old Hall of Records (almost as much as the Richfield tower). But the odd angle because of the old street layout got in the way of the civic mall plans, and maybe it was not up to seismic codes, so it had to go I suppose. Still, I miss it. At least we still have the Daily Planet, I mean City Hall.

Sakhal Nakhash Mar 6, 2021 3:35 PM

"I do miss the Bastille-castle-like old Hall of Records (almost as much as the Richfield tower). But the odd angle because of the old street layout got in the way of the civic mall plans, and maybe it was not up to seismic codes, so it had to go I suppose. Still, I miss it. At least we still have the Daily Planet, I mean City Hall."

I wish they would design and build buildings like that these days. Every year I am increasingly disgusted by what passes as architecture.
In fact it seems more like a race to the bottom. Uglier and uglier buildings, constructed out of the cheapest material, with the minimalist of design and effort.
And somehow people, not only accept these "buildings", they actually seem to like the laziness and lack of taste for some reason.

/rant. :tantrum:

Snix Mar 6, 2021 5:08 PM

UPDATED: I spoke with Tiny's son Biff, who tells me the googie-style building was a dinner house NEXT TO the Tiny Naylor's at Sunset and La Brea. He identified it on this aerial.


B restaurant
C trash room and storage
D small office
E public restrooms
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...3a38b4db7b.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...54222318_b.jpg

Here we go! Maybe this is why nobody has heard of this place. Did this restaurant only last one year?! Looks like it was sold to Stephen Crane to become a Kon Tiki restaurant in 1959.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...16aa3c5f_z.jpg
Los Angeles Evening Citizen News 10/24/59

Is this "House of Naylor" at "Wilshire and La Cienega" a different angle of the same building? The dates don't add up.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...6d2a012b_b.jpg
Los Angeles Evening Citizen News 11.14.57
What a stellar architectural lineup. My all-time favorites: Eldon Davis, Helen Fong, and Hans and Betsy Werner. The dream team behind Pann's.
Helen Fong was recently profiled by Smithsonian magazine: https://savingplaces.org/stories/thr...e#.YEO6EhNKiZ0

I've confirmed the address of "House of Naylor" as 38 N. La Cienega, which was Benihana from 1971-2015.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...0207217c_z.jpg
GSV

In 1965 it was San Francisco Joe's. Neither it or the tiki joint lasted very long.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...bf9fa82b_z.jpg
Los Angeles Evening Citizen News 7.30.65




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Originally Posted by Snix (Post 9189745)
I was unfamiliar with the Eddie Arcaro restaurant on Melrose, but I've long been curious about his collaborations with Tiny Naylor - and specifically about the incredible googie style restaurant below photographed by Julius Shulman. Shulman dates these 1954 and credits them to architects Jones and Emmons, but according to the clippings, the Arcaro/Naylor restaurant(s) opened in 1958 and were designed by Armet & Davis. This looks much more of an A&D design than a Jones and Emmons design. It does NOT appear to be one of these:

1. "House of Naylor" somewhere on La Cienega

2. Tiny Naylor's coffee shop 14 N. La Cienega, Beverly Hills

3. "Eddie Arcaro's Winner's Circle" 8620 S. Western Ave.
This is described as the second collaboration with an interior "styled after an English tavern." Clearly not the one in the Shulman photos.


https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...54222318_b.jpg
Julius Shulman © J. Paul Getty Trust. Getty Research Institute, Los Angeles (2004.R.10)

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Julius Shulman © J. Paul Getty Trust. Getty Research Institute, Los Angeles (2004.R.10)

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...e6917114_b.jpg
Julius Shulman © J. Paul Getty Trust. Getty Research Institute, Los Angeles (2004.R.10)

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...e2da8d65_b.jpg
Julius Shulman © J. Paul Getty Trust. Getty Research Institute, Los Angeles (2004.R.10)

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...8f4721eb_b.jpg
Julius Shulman © J. Paul Getty Trust. Getty Research Institute, Los Angeles (2004.R.10)

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...09e3709b_w.jpg
Los Angeles Times 5/26/58

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...4ae93d6d_z.jpg
Los Angeles Times 6/29/58

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...2814350c_b.jpg
Los Angeles Times 11/23/58

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...los-1982215299
"House of Naylor" on Tiny Naylor's menu from Worthpoint

Tiny Naylor's at 14 N. La Cienega (at Wilshire) in Beverly Hills
https://cdn2.lamag.com/wp-content/up...inynaylors.jpg
Photo; Armet & Davis, via Los Angeles magazine
https://www.lamag.com/askchris/belov...er-demolished/

Getty Images: Eddie Arcaro Wearing Chef Hat While Cooking
(Original Caption) Jockey Eddie Arcaro trades in his riding silks for a chef's hat and prepares a steak in the new restaurant he has an interest in here. Arcaro has entered into a partnership with the famous restaurateur Tiny Naylor, and the pair announced that they will open a Winner's Circle Room in the House of Naylor on La Cienga's restaurant row.
https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/e...t=best#license

House of Naylor sign by David Sutton at MPTV
https://www.mptvimages.com/images/15...8-david-sutton



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