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raph1988 Sep 28, 2019 1:01 AM

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Originally Posted by nname (Post 8699149)
It does seems this way. YUL-LIM flight operates until the end of May, while BOG starts at the beginning of June.

Maybe this due to a shortage of 763,they must assume they will not have their 737 max back ,which confines the possibility to launch many routes during the summer peak.

thenoflyzone Sep 29, 2019 10:02 AM

YUL August 2019 stats are out. Busiest month ever at YUL.

Total 2,140,637 +2.6%

Domestic 745,781 -1.4%
Transborder 430,815 +3.0%
International 964,041 +5.8%

YTD total 13,920,038 +4.8%

YTD Domestic 4,857,675 +1.3%
YTD Transborder 3,073,115 +2.3%
YTD International 5,989,248 +9.2%

https://www.admtl.com/sites/default/...et_2019_EN.pdf

Airboy Sep 29, 2019 3:59 PM

It appears that Ft McMurray may be getting one direct flight to the States or Mexico. But it will be limited to on a week or every other week. They currently have no customs.

YYCguys Sep 29, 2019 7:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Airboy (Post 8701690)
It appears that Ft McMurray may be getting one direct flight to the States or Mexico. But it will be limited to on a week or every other week. They currently have no customs.

By whom? For winter 19/20?

Airboy Sep 29, 2019 8:49 PM

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Originally Posted by YYCguys (Post 8701863)
By whom? For winter 19/20?

Someone I know that is with the authority. Possibly 19,/20 season . I was a bit sceptical but this person is quite high up the food chain

thenoflyzone Sep 30, 2019 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Airboy (Post 8701690)
It appears that Ft McMurray may be getting one direct flight to the States or Mexico. But it will be limited to on a week or every other week. They currently have no customs.

Sounds like a Sunwing type operation. They are known for flying into secondary/tertiary Canadian airports with flights to sun destinations. That being said, with the Max still grounded, seems to me their fleet will be stretched enough as it is this coming winter.

hollywoodcory Sep 30, 2019 5:54 AM

AC's recent schedule change shows that for the first time since 2016, there will be no 787s running long-haul flights out of YYC in April.

FRA - 77W replacing 789 (March 29-April 30)
LHR - 333 replacing 789 (March 29-June 14)
NRT - No changes yet. Probably end up being AC's sole mainline 767 route left at this point.

thenoflyzone Sep 30, 2019 11:40 AM

As nname said, lots of changes.

Frequency reductions in red. Frequency increases in blue (not taking into account aircraft swaps). New routes in Green. No mention of YUL-LIM for now.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...as-of-27sep19/

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Air Canada in the last 2 weeks gradually filed additional changes to its international network for summer 2020 season, including air Canada rouge. Planned changes as of 27SEP19 as follows. Note all comparison is based on schedule update as of 27SEP19 vs 13SEP19.

Calgary – Frankfurt 29MAR20 – 30APR20 400-seater 777-300ER replaces 787-9
Calgary – London Heathrow 29MAR20 – 14JUN20 A330-300 replaces 787-9
Montreal – Dublin eff 30JUN20 787-8 replaces A330-300, 4 weekly
Montreal – Frankfurt 29MAR20 – 29APR20 450-seater 777-300ER replaces 787-9
Montreal – Geneva 29MAR20 – 05MAY20 Reduce from 6 to 5 weekly
Montreal – London Heathrow A330-300 (Previously schedule from 28MAR20 to 31MAY20) replaced by following:
29MAR20 – 29ARP20 787-9
30APR20 – 31MAY20 777-300ER

Montreal – Lyon Frequency increase compared to previous listing:
28MAR20 – 29APR20 Increase from 4 to 5 weekly, A330-300 operating
30APR20 – 29JUN20 787-8 replaces A330-300 (Increase from 4 to 5 weekly from 30APR20 to 09MAY20, compared to previous listing)
30JUN20 – 05SEP20 Increase from 5 to 6 weekly, A330-300 operating

Montreal – Marseille 29JUN20 – 06SEP20 Air Canada rouge service increases from 3 to 4 weekly, 767 operating
Montreal – Rome A330-300 (Previously scheduled from 29MAR20 to 11JUN20) replaced by following:
29MAR20 – 28APR20 787-8
30APR20 – 11JUN20 777-300ER

Montreal – Tel Aviv eff 06JUL20 Increase from 2 to 3 weekly (Previous plan: eff 31MAY20). 787-8 operates entire summer season (A330-300 previously scheduled from 31MAY20)
Toronto – Amsterdam eff 30APR20 777-200LR replaces 787-9 (Previously listed for May 2020) and 777-300ER (Previously lited from 29MAY20)
Toronto – Beijing Capital 29APR20 – 30APR20 787-9 replaces 400-seater 777-300ER
Toronto – Berlin Tegel eff 21JUN20 Air Canada rouge service reduces from 6 to 5 weekly
Toronto – Bogota eff 02JUN20 Air Canada rouge service reduces from 7 to 5 weekly
Toronto – Copenhagen
01MAY20 – 31MAY20 A330-300 replaces 787-9
eff 01JUN20 450-seater 777-300ER replaces 400-seater

Toronto – Dubai eff 29MAR20 Summer frequency increases from 3 to 4 weekly (1 weekly 787-8 and 3 weekly -9)
Toronto – Dublin eff 29MAR20 787-9 replaces previously filed 787-8 (28MAR20 – 30APR20) and A330-300 (eff 01MAY20)
Toronto – Frankfurt AC876/877 operational aircraft changes during off-peak:
29MAR20 – 29APR20 400-seater 777-300ER replaces 777-200LR
30APR20 – 28MAY20 787-9 replaces 777-200LR

Toronto – Lima eff 01JUN20 Air Canada rouge service increases from 4 to 5 weekly, 767 operating
Toronto – London Heathrow Operational aircraft changes:
eff 29MAR20 AC856/869 787-9 replaces previously filed 400-seater 777-300ER
eff 01MAY20 AC848/849 450-seater 777-300ER replaces 400-seater

Toronto – Madrid A330-300 replaced by following aircraft:
01MAY20 – 08MAY20 767-300ER (As well as 29MAY20)
eff 30MAY20 787-9

Toronto – Milan Malpensa A330-300 operates entire summer season, replacing A330/787-8
Toronto – Munich Operational aircraft changes:
29MAR20 – 29APR20 400-seater 777-300ER replaces A330-300
eff 30APR20 A330-300 replaces 787-9

Toronto – Paris CDG 28MAR20 – 29MAY20 450-seater 777-300ER replaces 400-seater
Toronto – Shanghai Pu Dong 29MAR20 – 29MAY20 787-9 replaces 400-seater 777-300ER
Toronto – Vienna 29MAR20 – 29APR20 A330-300 replaces 787-8
Toronto – Warsaw eff 16JUN20 Air Canada rouge operating service reduces from 7 to 5 weekly
Toronto – Zurich 30APR20 – 29MAY20 Reduce from 7 to 6 weekly, 400-seater 777-300ER replaces 787-9
Vancouver – Delhi Frequency changes for off-peak season:
29MAR20 – 04MAY20 Reduce from 7 to 6 weekly
05MAY20 – 03JUN20 Increase from 4 to 6 weekly

Vancouver – Frankfurt eff 01JUN20 777-300ER replaces 787-9, 1 daily
Vancouver – Hong Kong eff 29MAR20 787-9 replaces 450-seater 777-300ER
Vancouver – London Heathrow eff 29MAR20 AC854/855 400-seater 777-300ER replaces 450-seater. The 777 will continue to operate on/after 30MAY20, replacing 787-9
Vancouver – Osaka Kansai eff 10JUN20 1 of 5 weekly operated by 787-9, replacing -8. 6th weekly scheduled from 02AUG20 (5 weekly 787-8 and 1 weekly 787-9)
Vancouver – Paris CDG eff 02JUN20 A330-300 replaces 787-8, service revised from 4 to 3 weekly
Vancouver – Zurich eff 03JUN20 1 of 5 weekly operated by 787-8, replacing -9

Previously reported changes:
Montreal – Bogota eff 02JUN20 New Air Canada rouge service, 3 weekly 767
Montreal – Nice eff 08MAY20 Mainline A330-300 replaces rouge 767
08MAY20 – 01JUN20 Day 156
03JUN20 – 01JUL20 Day x247
02JUL20 – 31AUG20 Day x27

Montreal – Toulouse eff 04JUN20 5 weekly A330-300, new route
Ottawa – Frankfurt eff 15MAY20 Seasonal service cancelled
Ottawa – London Heathrow eff 28MAR20 787-8 replaces 767-300ER
Toronto – Brussels eff 01MAY20 5 weekly 787-8, resumed route. AC previously operated Toronto – Manchester – Brussels between May 1992 and Feb 1993

Airboy Sep 30, 2019 1:49 PM

According to media reports Condor is returning to Whitehorse Next summer.

nname Sep 30, 2019 7:40 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8702208)
Frequency reductions in red. Frequency increases in blue (not taking into account aircraft swaps). New routes in Green. No mention of YUL-LIM for now.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...as-of-27sep19/

Probably worthy of a separate post? Or just want to wait and see if it's a cancellation or seasonal suspension... but that probably won't be known for at least another month.

Alexcaban Sep 30, 2019 8:49 PM

Are all the 330s accounted for summer 2020?
After a quick count out of YUL, one framed is need for each CDG, GVA, CMN which are daily.
LYS moves to 6 weekly X3
TLS 5 weekly X13
NCE 5 weekly X24

This leaves a 330 free in YUL on certain days of the week.

thenoflyzone Sep 30, 2019 9:07 PM

Looks like the 737NG is having a pickle fork issue. (See link)

This is not good news for Boeing and NG operators. Some planes could suffer serious down time for a fix, and with the Max nowhere near recertification, could spell disaster for airlines such as WS or WG which operate mostly/all 737 fleets.

https://komonews.com/news/local/excl...37ng-equipment

SaskOttaLoo Oct 1, 2019 2:28 AM

Man, i sure hope Canada can get some more flights to Sub-Saharan Africa soon. I just came back from Nigeria and used the direct from Lagos to ATL. left Lagos at 10:30 on a Friday night and was home by 9:30am on Saturday even with a layover! That never happens for me to Africa. Completely changes the distance versus going through Europe.

nname Oct 1, 2019 5:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexcaban (Post 8702865)
Are all the 330s accounted for summer 2020?
After a quick count out of YUL, one framed is need for each CDG, GVA, CMN which are daily.
LYS moves to 6 weekly X3
TLS 5 weekly X13
NCE 5 weekly X24

This leaves a 330 free in YUL on certain days of the week.

I don't know how many 330 AC will have by S20. Current schedule requires 12.

YUL need 1 each for YVR, CMN, CDG, NCE, TLS, LYS ... 6 with some spare days and time for the flight to YVR
YYZ need 1 each for GVA, MAD, MUC, LHR, MXP ... 5
YVR need 1 for CDG/DUB ... 1

Still don't know how would the 330 get to YVR as the Europe flight departs before the daily flight arrives from YUL. It is possible to rotate through CDG, but it seems complicated...

magee_b Oct 1, 2019 5:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SaskOttaLoo (Post 8703212)
Man, i sure hope Canada can get some more flights to Sub-Saharan Africa soon. I just came back from Nigeria and used the direct from Lagos to ATL. left Lagos at 10:30 on a Friday night and was home by 9:30am on Saturday even with a layover! That never happens for me to Africa. Completely changes the distance versus going through Europe.

The Ethiopian YYZ-ADD service is great for East / Southern Africa destinations. Leave YYZ at 10am (I usually connect from an early am YSJ flight), in ADD in time for their morning departures bank, and at your final destination early afternoon... For me going to East/Southern Africa destinations, this is a 19-24 hour travel time vs 30+ with a long layover in Europe somewhere (and often a second connection in ADD/NBO/JNB).

AC doing YYZ-JNB has long been rumoured, but doubt we'll see that anytime soon.

nname Oct 1, 2019 6:47 AM

Effective Nov 1, both AC one-stop routes no longer originate from YYZ.

AC33 will become YVR-SYD
AC834 will become YUL-GVA

The YYZ segment will use a different flight number, same equipment.

Alexcaban Oct 1, 2019 8:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 8703341)
Effective Nov 1, both AC one-stop routes no longer originate from YYZ.

AC33 will become YVR-SYD
AC834 will become YUL-GVA

The YYZ segment will use a different flight number, same equipment.

About time, I know a lot of gate agents at YUL that will be glad thats over.

wave46 Oct 1, 2019 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by nname (Post 8703341)
Effective Nov 1, both AC one-stop routes no longer originate from YYZ.

AC33 will become YVR-SYD
AC834 will become YUL-GVA

The YYZ segment will use a different flight number, same equipment.

I never really understood that.

Just the prestige factor of having certain flights direct (but not non-stop) from YYZ?

I guess I don't really see the point in that if one has to land and sit in YVR or YUL.

Dominion301 Oct 1, 2019 11:57 AM

Unfortunately Porter have removed MLB / Orlando-Melbourne from their website.

None of YTZ-MLB, YOW-MLB or YQG-MLB are bookable any longer. The only option to Orlando on PD's website is now interline service with B6 to MCO.

YQG lose their only transborder route.

wave46 Oct 1, 2019 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 8703382)
Unfortunately Porter have removed MLB / Orlando-Melbourne from their website.

None of YTZ-MLB, YOW-MLB or YQG-MLB are bookable any longer. The only option to Orlando on PD's website is now interline service with B6 to MCO.

YQG lose their only transborder route.

They had to load-restrict those flight, no?

I imagine the margins could get pretty thin if you're blocking seats on flights with only 74 passengers max.


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