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MacGyver Apr 27, 2007 5:34 PM

Rotterdam a major world city of the future :haha:

Rotterdam is a city for the uneducated and unemployed, not for the well educated and rich. This will never change...

Swede Apr 27, 2007 8:20 PM

^THAT's your first post? And you expect to stay long?
This is your first and last warning; act civilized or you're gone

sullying a good name like MacGyver makes it just that extra bit bad.

Qaabus Apr 27, 2007 10:13 PM

Rotterdam does have plans to build 56000 homes in the city centre by 2025. They will need highrises to achieve that.

MacGyver Apr 28, 2007 7:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Swede (Post 2800073)
^THAT's your first post? And you expect to stay long?
This is your first and last warning; act civilized or you're gone

sullying a good name like MacGyver makes it just that extra bit bad.

Truth hurts.

SHiRO Apr 28, 2007 8:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MacGyver (Post 2801845)
Truth hurts.

On SSP it's 2 strikes and you're out...

Citrus-Fruit May 3, 2007 8:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Qaabus (Post 2800344)
Rotterdam does have plans to build 56000 homes in the city centre by 2025. They will need highrises to achieve that.

Really. Bloody hell Birmingham needs to build 96,000 by 2020. The cities population about 20 years ago at night was about 30. Now its up to roughly 18,000 with apartments left right and center. Its never really been fashionable to live in the cities after the war on top of everything.

Citrus-Fruit May 3, 2007 8:22 PM

P.S Skyscrapers also do signal success. You can only build them in these countries if there is relevant demand. A growing skyline which is recognisable gets world wide attention. Birmingham lost its historical skyline during the blitz. I new one would give it media attention and the rest. Plus we're going to have Europes first vertical theme park in the center of the city standing close to 180m. :jester:

Eric Offereins May 13, 2007 10:03 PM

I know Rotterdam will never be in the top 3 of Europe, but we got some pretty stuff coming up. A selection from the dutch section of skyscrapercity by SkyBridge:

UC:
http://www.spiralmotion.net/rotterdam/maastoren.jpg

http://www.spiralmotion.net/rotterdam/neworleans.jpg

http://www.spiralmotion.net/rotterdam/theredapple.jpg

http://www.spiralmotion.net/rotterdam/erasmusmc.jpg

approved, start in or before 2008:
http://www.spiralmotion.net/rotterdam/derotterdam.jpg

http://www.spiralmotion.net/rotterdam/juffertoren.jpg

http://www.spiralmotion.net/rotterdam/portauvin.jpg

http://www.spiralmotion.net/rotterdam/zalmhaven.jpg

http://www.spiralmotion.net/rotterda...ingeltoren.jpg

ontheroad May 21, 2007 8:18 PM

I cannot se any similarities at all...

Citrus-Fruit May 24, 2007 5:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheroad (Post 2848750)
I cannot se any similarities at all...

No?

Ummm ...

2nd largest cities of both countries, densest regional cities blah blah! ...

one very bored guy May 29, 2007 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Citrus-Fruit (Post 2855625)
No?

Ummm ...

2nd largest cities of both countries, densest regional cities blah blah! ...

Let's be honest, that is a little vague. Should we compare Los Angeles with Lyon then, Melbourne with Wellington etc and say they are similar because they are all the 2nd largest cities in each country.

Rotterdam and Birmingham have very little in common. Well, both nice cities though.

Citrus-Fruit May 29, 2007 7:09 PM

They have alot in common. More then most. Rotterdam is the best city to compare to Birmingham. Both built densely many years ago, both are trying to become major european cities although being arguably dominated by thier respective capitals. However, lets go back to the first post of thsi thread ... If you're to vague with respective arguments like - they have nothing in common at all, why would anyone waste time in replying with a full list of reasons why they are? :rolleyes:

RazzC May 29, 2007 7:52 PM

Den Haag is much more densely populated than Rotterdam. (because the municipaly of Rotterdam contains the harbors)

Citrus-Fruit May 29, 2007 9:43 PM

Huh? I thinking you're being a bit picky here. Densely populated with high-rise commie blocks? Den Hagg is'nt comparable to Birmingham like Rotterdam is! People ... you guys seem to be missing the whole point.

one very bored guy May 30, 2007 6:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Citrus-Fruit (Post 2865129)
They have alot in common. More then most. Rotterdam is the best city to compare to Birmingham. Both built densely many years ago, both are trying to become major european cities although being arguably dominated by thier respective capitals. However, lets go back to the first post of thsi thread ... If you're to vague with respective arguments like - they have nothing in common at all, why would anyone waste time in replying with a full list of reasons why they are? :rolleyes:

Sorry, I still don’t get it. In your first post all you say is that they have a similar skyline, which I also find completely odd. Rotterdam has a much larger skyline than Birmingham at this present stage. What else do they have in common?

Rotterdam is a coastal city (close enough). Birmingham is inland.
Rotterdam has one of the world’s largest ports. Birmingham isn’t a port city.
The architecture is vastly different
Rotterdam has a subway, Birmingham doesn’t.
Sure, both have canals, but they are vastly different in style. It's a bit like saying New York and London are similar because they both have streets.

Of cause, it's perfectly acceptable to compare two completely different cities.

But I just don't see the simularities here.

Citrus-Fruit May 30, 2007 4:51 PM

Both developed due to thier ports (Birmingham had to build its network), both were the industrial cities of thier respective nations, both are indeed the known second cities of thier respective nations - however, what the whole thread was about, is both cities COUNCILS WANT TO TURN THIER CITY INTO A TOP TIER EUROPEAN POWERHOUSE. How can they achieve it, skyscrapers are both high on the agenda of both cities leaders, they both believe highrise cities will give them a recognisable skyline which will be noticed all over the world - the exact question was this

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These two cities have quite a similar situation with quite similar height ranging skylines. Along with Frankfurt are these two cities going to become major world cities within the next 15 years.
Frankfurt developed from near enough nothing and become the powerhouse of Germany. Can Rotterdam and Birmingham become recognised powerhouses of thier respective nations to a lesser extent then Frankfurt with thiers. This thread had nothing to do with similarities. Just people being picky. However, they have very SIMILAR AGENDA'S!

Miu May 30, 2007 5:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Citrus-Fruit (Post 2867202)

Frankfurt developed from near enough nothing and become the powerhouse of Germany.

What leads you to think that Frankfurt developed from "near nothing"? Frankfurt has been a leading european center of trade and finance for centuries.

RazzC May 30, 2007 6:01 PM

You don't really hear the political parties in Rotterdam about an ambition to be a top powerhouse. Rotterdam has a different share of problems, with an according political agenda.

Citrus-Fruit Jun 12, 2007 9:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Miu (Post 2867352)
What leads you to think that Frankfurt developed from "near nothing"? Frankfurt has been a leading european center of trade and finance for centuries.

So has Rotterdam and Birmingham! But I meant near enough nothing in terms of development! Frankfurt completely re-invented itself to stay at the top, these two didnt until now!

BenL Jun 12, 2007 9:25 AM

I think Rotterdam can look to a more prosperous future than Birmingham. It has Europe's largest port and in the Benelux, has a far more central European location. Perhaps more importantly, there is far less primacy in the Netherlands than the UK, with The Hague the political centre, Amsterdam the commercial and cultural centre and Rotterdam the industrial centre. The Dutch government realises this and with the high-speed rail network it is hoping to connect all three cities within a very short time so as a group they can achieve what neither city could do on its own and compete on a world scale. In this respect the Netherlands are much closer to Germany - which also has no real primacy - with Frankfurt, like Rotterdam, fulfilling a specific function.

In Britain, London fulfills all the major functions and is the very clear primary city. Whilst Birmingham has, like most post-industrial British cities, experienced something of a renaissance in the last ten years with a variety of projects and increased investment, this is hardly evidence for Birmingham becoming a "top tier European powerhouse", which is doing little more than conforming to a trend during a period of British economic prosperity. The regional city I have seen most change in in Britain is Manchester, which has become a hugely confident, cosmopolitan city - feeling a bit like a British San Francisco. It is fast becoming Britain's second city and if any British city has the potential to be one of Europe's major cities, and I have strong doubts, then it is Manchester.


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